Chargers @ Redskins - Game Day Thread

[emoses14]

Love the win …

I know it's not happening but players like our great QB, Morris, Garcon and Reed deserve a better play caller than Kyle …

good grief. All week long people were griping about Kyle getting away from the run vs. Denver. So he runs the ball down the Chargers' throat and its still not good enough.

Let's just be honest, Skins fans. What you want is an offensive coordinator who calls the play that always works.

Is that really so much to ask? I mean EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has coordinators that call plays which always work to perfection.

[DarthMonk]

Is that really so much to ask? I mean EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has coordinators that call plays which always work to perfection.

I blame (lack of) execution WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than play calling for some of our offensive woes. We can't simply run every play. Our balance yesterday was 40 runs vs. 32 passes. That's terrific. Part of the point of running is setting up pass plays. Also, getting first downs helps time of possession and sometimes, the best way to get a first down is to pass. Our first play yesterday was a pass from our own 1 which was wide open and Griff threw it behind Garcon. Excellent play call and bad execution.

[SkinsJock]

I've heard that you can set up the pass by running the ball …

I've also heard that you can set up the run by passing the ball …

I've heard that having a good defense is the key to winning games …

I've heard that having a prolific passing attack like Denver and New England is the key to winning games …

seems like everybody's got a good handle on what it takes and fortunately we have guys that know all of that in charge of our team

[StorminMormon86]

Is that really so much to ask? I mean EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has coordinators that call plays which always work to perfection.

I blame (lack of) execution WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than play calling for some of our offensive woes. We can't simply run every play. Our balance yesterday was 40 runs vs. 32 passes. That's terrific. Part of the point of running is setting up pass plays. Also, getting first downs helps time of possession and sometimes, the best way to get a first down is to pass. Our first play yesterday was a pass from our own 1 which was wide open and Griff threw it behind Garcon. Excellent play call and bad execution.

+1

Kyle isn't out there throwing and catching the ball. I thought he called a good game yesterday, except maybe 2 or 3 plays.

[DaSkinz Baby]

As much as it pains me to admit, Kyle called a heck of a game yesterday. Now with that being said, I don't know about you all but Tyler Polumbus and Chris Chester are the worst lineman I have seen. Did you see that one play where that dude pushed Polumbis back like a rag doll? For him to be so big, he seems weak as wet toilet paper and that Chris Chester, I thought one of the holding calls was a phantom call but the other one why even hold when you don't need too? Cory I thought overall had his best blocking game to date. Williams is still a stud. Reed also needs to block better and I wish I would have been able to see Fred Davis and Reed together on the field at the same time, I think that would provide serious matchup problems. Garcon also played his best game as a Redskin yesterday that man got mad props!!! Now I hope this game is the wake up game and we go on a roll. Losing to the Vikings would be a serious let down........

[SkinsJock]

hopefully, from here on, Kyle will do his job as well as the players are doing theirs


I'm not saying that the offensive issues are all on Kyle … IMHO, he just needs to do a better job

[Countertrey]

Is that really so much to ask? I mean EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has coordinators that call plays which always work to perfection.

I blame (lack of) execution WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than play calling for some of our offensive woes. We can't simply run every play. Our balance yesterday was 40 runs vs. 32 passes. That's terrific. Part of the point of running is setting up pass plays. Also, getting first downs helps time of possession and sometimes, the best way to get a first down is to pass. Our first play yesterday was a pass from our own 1 which was wide open and Griff threw it behind Garcon. Excellent play call and bad execution.

I don't have any problem with using the run to set up the pass... I don't have any problem with starting a drive with a deep shot. I have a problem with simply forgetting that you have one of the most dominant running games in the league... with getting cute on 3rd down, when an off tackle run will get you the one yard you need. With running pass plays that take forever to develop when you have an o-line that struggles to pass protect...

"Just run the damned ball"... doesn't mean "just run". It means, "don't let your love for flash let you forget what works" Kyle. Sundays game was pretty well called... though I was concerned that Kyle was focusing a bit too much on the interior run game for a while... and he did get cute a couple of times... but he didn't get away from what works. That yielded a dominant TOP... and that wins games.

[riggofan]

Is that really so much to ask? I mean EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has coordinators that call plays which always work to perfection.

I blame (lack of) execution WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than play calling for some of our offensive woes. We can't simply run every play. Our balance yesterday was 40 runs vs. 32 passes. That's terrific. Part of the point of running is setting up pass plays. Also, getting first downs helps time of possession and sometimes, the best way to get a first down is to pass. Our first play yesterday was a pass from our own 1 which was wide open and Griff threw it behind Garcon. Excellent play call and bad execution.

+1

Kyle isn't out there throwing and catching the ball. I thought he called a good game yesterday, except maybe 2 or 3 plays.

Me too. I'll admit though sometimes the bad plays he calls so seem glaringly bad.

Speaking of, is Kyle calling that QB draw play for RGIII or is RGIII just picking it out himself at times? I swear RGIII up the middle hasn't worked all season and they keep running it. All it does is get RGIII hit by the biggest players on the field.

[PulpExposure]

IMO - Kyle needs to do a better job utilizing the talent he has - RG3 and this offense have not had a lot of success this season
most of that is due to Kyle not taking advantage of the fact he has a great QB, a really good RB, a really good TE and a number of good WRs
granted the O line has not been stellar but Kyle needs to game plan better with what he has

I don't know if I agree about the bolded part there. I'm a huge fan of RG3, but I can't call him a great QB at this time point. Whether it's because he missed the entire offseason, or what have you, but I haven't seen that growth in him that I've expected. At this point, he's a one-read QB, and that isn't great QB play. He's markedly behind Luck and Wilson in his development. I'm hoping it's just the missed offseason, but I'm beginning to become a bit concerned in this department. If he doesn't learn to read defenses, and operate a real NFL dropback passing attack, he really will end up as just another running QB. I think he has the potential to take the next step, but throws like the blocked pass/returned INT-TD to Hankerson, really concern me. Dude was locked into Hank the entire time. He's making the defenses' life way too easy.

[SkinsJock]

correction - RG3 is not a 'great' QB … yet - he's still in the process of becoming one

I have every confidence that RG3 will become the greatest QB to wear B&G

this is a very special athlete with an incredible desire to do whatever it takes

PLUS

he's very coachable - hopefully Kyle finds this out sooner rather than later

[StorminMormon86]

I know a lot of people loved Griffin running for that first down in the 3rd quarter, but it definitely scared the hell out of me when he took off and didn't try to get out of bounds. He will not last all season if he continues to do that.

[Deadskins]

I know a lot of people loved Griffin running for that first down in the 3rd quarter, but it definitely scared the hell out of me when he took off and didn't try to get out of bounds. He will not last all season if he continues to do that.

I don't know. That was a situation where he actually needed to get that first down; the game depended on it. I'm ok with him occasionally taking a hit when the situation calls for it.

[SKINS#1]

PulpExposure wrote "I don't know if I agree about the bolded part there. I'm a huge fan of RG3, but I can't call him a great QB at this time point. Whether it's because he missed the entire offseason, or what have you, but I haven't seen that growth in him that I've expected. At this point, he's a one-read QB, and that isn't great QB play. He's markedly behind Luck and Wilson in his development. I'm hoping it's just the missed offseason, but I'm beginning to become a bit concerned in this department. If he doesn't learn to read defenses, and operate a real NFL dropback passing attack, he really will end up as just another running QB. I think he has the potential to take the next step, but throws like the blocked pass/returned INT-TD to Hankerson, really concern me. Dude was locked into Hank the entire time. He's making the defenses' life way too easy."

This is a very good synopsis, we all want RGIII to be a great QB but he is not there yet. Luck and Wilson seem to have made the transition and RGIII is a work in progress.

[SkinsJock]

Let's be VERY clear - RG3 is NOT a great QB …. yet …. OK?

I happen to think that he's going to be

OK - that's straight …

now let's REALLY look at an offense that has:

RG3 at QB - this is an amazing talent with incredible drive and world class speed - I refuse to believe he does not have that anymore - no way

Morris at RB - amazing RB that gets yards even when the D knows he's running the ball

Garcon at WR - there have been only a few Redskins WR that can make plays like this guy

Reed at TE - this kid looks like he's going to become one of the best TEs we've had

now let's add in Santana, Hankerson, Robinson, Morgan and Davis - are you kidding me …

what about an all pro LT in Trent Williams and our AMAZING FB - he of the 3 TDs last Sunday …..

I'm just curious - am I the only one that wonders why this talent is NOT being utilized to it's max potential?

I'll bet there are not many offenses in the NFC that have that many INCREDIBLY good playmakers ….

c'mon Kyle - pick it up - you have the 'talent' - take advantage of it ….. please

[StorminMormon86]

No one is saying Griffin isn't fast or isn't an incredible athlete. He still lacks certain fundamentals in terms of reading opposing defenses and locking in to one receiver. Don't be surprised if the Vikings adjust and start double covering Reed and Garcon, seems to be the only two receivers he throws to.

[SkinsJock]

I'm not suggesting that RG3 is a fantastic QB who has unbelievable talents

I'm just pointing out that we have a good QB that has some incredible weapons, not just 1 or 2, like some good offenses …

IMO - Kyle should be taking better advantage of these players than he has to date …

I understand that part of our offensive issues lies with the O line and part lies with Griffin's 'adjustment' …

AGAIN

Kyle should be able to come up with a more effective offense with all those very talented players

after last Sunday, it may be that we're getting to see a more effective offense - it's about time

[SkinsJock]

No one is saying Griffin isn't fast or isn't an incredible athlete. He still lacks certain fundamentals in terms of reading opposing defenses and locking in to one receiver. Don't be surprised if the Vikings adjust and start double covering Reed and Garcon …

IF the Vikings do cover Reed and Garcon with 2 players, HOPEFULLY Kyle takes advantage and utilizes the other guys we have that can catch and run with the ball - Santana Moss, Hankerson or Robinson come to mind as well as Helu and Morris out of the backfield - what about Fred Davis?

The Vikings are NOT able to stop this offense by double covering those 2 players - NO WAY

that is, unless Kyle does not utilize a game plan to take advantage of what we have against what they have to defend our players …

the Vikings are #29 against the pass

[Deadskins]

No one is saying Griffin isn't fast or isn't an incredible athlete. He still lacks certain fundamentals in terms of reading opposing defenses and locking in to one receiver. Don't be surprised if the Vikings adjust and start double covering Reed and Garcon …

IF the Vikings do cover Reed and Garcon with 2 players, HOPEFULLY Kyle takes advantage and utilizes the other guys we have that can catch and run with the ball - Santana Moss, Hankerson or Robinson come to mind as well as Helu and Morris out of the backfield - what about Fred Davis?

The Vikings are NOT able to stop this offense by double covering those 2 players - NO WAY

that is, unless Kyle does not utilize a game plan to take advantage of what we have against what they have to defend our players …

the Vikings are #29 against the pass

I don't think you're going to see much of Davis any more, unless Reed or Paulsen gets hurt. Seems like the Skins are resigned to just letting him ride the pines until he hits FA.

[SkinsJock]

… I don't think you're going to see much of Davis any more, unless Reed or Paulsen gets hurt.
Seems like the Skins are resigned to just letting him ride the pines until he hits FA.

that seems to be the case and there must be something more to that …

Fred Davis is a player that I would have thought could help the offense …