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Now the world sees why Mara was so scared of the Redskins. With RGIII and no cap penalty, the Skins would be young and STACKED.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

GoodOldDays wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:BillyCheat just "jeopardized" Gronks season by putting him in...but he'll get a pass while Shanny gets reamed.

Shanahan didn't get reamed for putting Griffin in, he got reamed for keeping him in. I don't think anybody had a huge problem with Griffin playing against Seattle until he tweaked the knee on the second drive.

Billycheat also doesn't have a Terrell Davis, I have been reading many things that are saying that Terrell Davis's career was ended quickly because Shanny ran him into the ground, sort of like that George Allen did to Larry Brown.....

DaSkinz - it seems to be very obvious that you are getting all mixed up because of what you're reading and/or hearing ...

you maybe need to look into the articles from a slightly different perspective and you need to develop "selective hearing"

something just a little more positive would do wonders for your outlook on both life and the Redskins

carry on

SkinsJock wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

GoodOldDays wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:BillyCheat just "jeopardized" Gronks season by putting him in...but he'll get a pass while Shanny gets reamed.

Shanahan didn't get reamed for putting Griffin in, he got reamed for keeping him in. I don't think anybody had a huge problem with Griffin playing against Seattle until he tweaked the knee on the second drive.

Billycheat also doesn't have a Terrell Davis, I have been reading many things that are saying that Terrell Davis's career was ended quickly because Shanny ran him into the ground, sort of like that George Allen did to Larry Brown.....

DaSkinz - it seems to be very obvious that you are getting all mixed up because of what you're reading and/or hearing ...

you maybe need to look into the articles from a slightly different perspective and you need to develop "selective hearing"

something just a little more positive would do wonders for your outlook on both life and the Redskins

carry on

I love my life, I am a realist, Davis career was cut short because Shanny ran him in the ground, Larry Brown's career was also cut short because George Allen ran him into the ground. It is what it is. I don't think Belicheat runs players into the ground, he signs veteran players to get a understanding of other teams and drafts rookies he can mold, when they no longer put out or want more money they leave........It's a good model to have.....

Terrell Davis' career was cut short because of a fluke knee injury after a turnover/interception which sadly led to more complications the next year. His career was about on par with the average RB life cycle in today's NFL. Also, his carriers per season weren't any higher than other backs of his caliber although they were admittedly high. Injuries happen, it's part of the game and when you have a player of that caliber you play him. The argument for Belicheat is off-base, just because he doesn't run RB's into the ground doesn't mean he's not pushing and playing players when question is in doubt. EX: see Ted Johnson. This is an NFL epidimic and not just an issue with the Skins'.

I hear what your saying ... I just don't think the NFL 'today' is at all the same

I really don't see these guys 'wearing players out' like happened in the 70's and 80's


Mike & Kyle were already adapting the offense BEFORE RG3 got hurt

I think we'll see a much more 'in sync' RG3 'managing' a very dangerous offense

SkinsJock wrote:I hear what your saying ... I just don't think the NFL 'today' is at all the same

I really don't see these guys 'wearing players out' like happened in the 70's and 80's


Mike & Kyle were already adapting the offense BEFORE RG3 got hurt

I think we'll see a much more 'in sync' RG3 'managing' a very dangerous offense

SkinsJock finally I agree 100%

DaSkinz Baby wrote: I have been reading many things that are saying that Terrell Davis's career was ended quickly because Shanny ran him into the ground

A statement not based in fact.

TD averaged 336 carries for four years.
Emmit averaged 335 over his first six years.
LT averaged 341 during a four year stretch.
Walter Payton averaged 335 carries over years 2-7.

Did TD's body break down? Certainly. Was it from the 1343 carries he had in his first four years? I'm not buying it! Other backs have had the same work load or higher for a longer period of time.

TD's body gave out, because his body gave out.

I dont think we will see the offense change at all really.

You dont need the QB to rush for 100 yards a game. He only needs to be a threat to rush for 100 yards in a game. Show it to the defense from time to time, thats good enough.

Seattle didnt start disrespecting RG3 as a threat until they were absolutely certain he couldnt run.

jmooney wrote:I dont think we will see the offense change at all really.

You dont need the QB to rush for 100 yards a game. He only needs to be a threat to rush for 100 yards in a game. Show it to the defense from time to time, thats good enough.

Seattle didnt start disrespecting RG3 as a threat until they were absolutely certain he couldnt run.

Agree. Saw somewhere that he doesn't need to run, he just needs to have the THREAT of him running.

ACW wrote:

jmooney wrote:I dont think we will see the offense change at all really.

You dont need the QB to rush for 100 yards a game. He only needs to be a threat to rush for 100 yards in a game. Show it to the defense from time to time, thats good enough.

Seattle didnt start disrespecting RG3 as a threat until they were absolutely certain he couldnt run.

Agree. Saw somewhere that he doesn't need to run, he just needs to have the THREAT of him running.

He will have to run enough to make the defenses respect it. If RG3 is nothing more than a drop back passer then he no longer will be the duel threat. If that becomes the case then we might as well have Kirk Cousins as our starter from here on out..............

ACW wrote:

jmooney wrote:I dont think we will see the offense change at all really.

You dont need the QB to rush for 100 yards a game. He only needs to be a threat to rush for 100 yards in a game. Show it to the defense from time to time, thats good enough.

Seattle didnt start disrespecting RG3 as a threat until they were absolutely certain he couldnt run.

Agree. Saw somewhere that he doesn't need to run, he just needs to have the THREAT of him running.

Ummm... to be a credible threat to run... he has to be effective running... that means, he actually has to run, and do it enough that it hurts the opponent.

jmooney wrote:I dont think we will see the offense change at all really.

You dont need the QB to rush for 100 yards a game. He only needs to be a threat to rush for 100 yards in a game. Show it to the defense from time to time, thats good enough.

Seattle didnt start disrespecting RG3 as a threat until they were absolutely certain he couldnt run.

sorry - I disagree ..

the offense has to change or we will not have RG3

we have to hope that the rehab has him back ready to be able to play - RG3 has world class speed - this is not attainable, you have it or you don't

I'm sure we'll see Kyle and Mike devise an offense that will take advantage of his speed and his passing ability and NOT expose him as much as he was

RG3 will also have learned a lot and MUST realize the MOST important thing for the team is to have him on the field and able to use his speed


I do not think the Seahawks were worried about his running after the first quarter and he should IMO have been taken out of the game

Some positive news to keep everyone's spirits up...

RG3 "well on his way to recovery." Nothing specific, but "well on his way" sounds much better than just "recovering".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... -recovery/

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Some positive news to keep everyone's spirits up...

RG3 "well on his way to recovery." Nothing specific, but "well on his way" sounds much better than just "recovering".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... -recovery/

He also said he will "likely start the 2013 season." Which is a more optimistic comment than his prior statement that he'd be "ready" for the 2013 season. Some local radio people have parsed that comment in a way that suggests that he left the door open for him being "ready" before the end of the year, not at the beginning.

HAIL

The Hogster wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:Some positive news to keep everyone's spirits up...

RG3 "well on his way to recovery." Nothing specific, but "well on his way" sounds much better than just "recovering".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... -recovery/

He also said he will "likely start the 2013 season." Which is a more optimistic comment than his prior statement that he'd be "ready" for the 2013 season. Some local radio people have parsed that comment in a way that suggests that he left the door open for him being "ready" before the end of the year, not at the beginning.

HAIL

Great point!!

I'm reaching here, but "well on his way to recovery" sounds like he'll be 100% again. Again why the emphasis unless things were looking best case scenario?

I have no doubt he will make a full recovery. It's just a matter of when he's back to 100%.

The Hogster wrote:I have no doubt he will make a full recovery. It's just a matter of when he's back to 100%.

We are now forewarned, however. RG3 will not assess his readiness for contact objectively. We have several episodes, now, where he has minimized his injury, and has not been accurate in his own assessment of his condition.

The upshot here is, when he says he is a go... there needs to be a whole lot of other evidence backing that up, before he is permitted to see any contact. Detractors aside, I have a feeling that Shanahan may have learned one or two things from this experience, and will be careful with this young man.

I do imagine, however, that Bob has probably already resumed many of the same upper body only workouts and passing drills he was using the last time he hurt his knee... all of which made him a more effective passer... What we have heard about his work ethic, and competitiveness, suggests he will be driven to heal when he has permission. When he is, in fact, ready to play... he will be REALLY ready to play.

Countertrey wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I have no doubt he will make a full recovery. It's just a matter of when he's back to 100%.

We are now forewarned, however. RG3 will not assess his readiness for contact objectively. We have several episodes, now, where he has minimized his injury, and has not been accurate in his own assessment of his condition.

The upshot here is, when he says he is a go... there needs to be a whole lot of other evidence backing that up, before he is permitted to see any contact. Detractors aside, I have a feeling that Shanahan may have learned one or two things from this experience, and will be careful with this young man.

I do imagine, however, that Bob has probably already resumed many of the same upper body only workouts and passing drills he was using the last time he hurt his knee... all of which made him a more effective passer... What we have heard about his work ethic, and competitiveness, suggests he will be driven to heal when he has permission. When he is, in fact, ready to play... he will be REALLY ready to play.

I am not exactly a detractor but I reamined concerned and badly want you to be correct. History bothers me but people can sometimes change.

Check out this song for RG3 I made! Hail to the Redskins!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFyBGKpRII

Part of his mandatory progress should be learning how to slide. As soon as he's about to move around without fear of reinjury, send him down to Nationals park and make him run laps. For a large portion of his day, he has to slide. Over and over and over and over. Slide. If he doesn't learn how to slide, we'll be back in this situation.


I believe in RGIII to win games. But I do not beleive in him to protect himself. Which ends up negating what I believe in him for.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Part of his mandatory progress should be learning how to slide. As soon as he's about to move around without fear of reinjury, send him down to Nationals park and make him run laps. For a large portion of his day, he has to slide. Over and over and over and over. Slide. If he doesn't learn how to slide, we'll be back in this situation.


I believe in RGIII to win games. But I do not beleive in him to protect himself. Which ends up negating what I believe in him for.

Can't remember what video interview it was. Come to think of it I think I found it on youtube searching for Dr. Andrews. Just a generic video of his career.

Anyway one part of the video it shows a pitcher throwing the ball with a CGI like computer program displaying his movements. Basically the point of that was to teach this pitcher how to protect his reconstructed arm.

Wonder if they will, like you said, do something like that with RG3 in sliding or how to get down faster/better.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Part of his mandatory progress should be learning how to slide. As soon as he's about to move around without fear of reinjury, send him down to Nationals park and make him run laps. For a large portion of his day, he has to slide. Over and over and over and over. Slide. If he doesn't learn how to slide, we'll be back in this situation.


I believe in RGIII to win games. But I do not beleive in him to protect himself. Which ends up negating what I believe in him for.

He does not need to know how to slide. We have seen that he knows how to do that...

He does NOT however, appear to know WHEN to slide on a consistent basis.... THAT is the problem.

^^ what he said

I really do think that RG3 will be physically fine and ready to go at or above the same "level" as he was when fully fit this past season

I also really do think that Mike/Kyle will be better prepared to "manage" the franchise QB when he's finally 'cleared' to play


the ONLY concern I have is with RG3 himself - he needs to not put himself at risk like he did AND he needs to better understand his limitations

this kid just needs to let Mike/Kyle come up with the game plan and then he needs to be THE LEADER OF THE BAND

RG3 needs to be a 'better team player' and understand that he's the QB and he has all these other weapons - He does NOT need to feel like he has to do it himself

HOPEFULLY as he rehabs and gets ready for action he will 'get it' and be the incredible QB that utilizes his speed, his RBs, his WRs, his O line ...

ALL of the weapons are there for him ...



I will digress a little here ...

next year I expect the defensive gurus to game plan a little better to stop the read-option offense ...

I do not think anyone can game plan to stop a QB running the read-option variation that Mike/Kyle will devise, simply because it is being run by a QB with incredible speed AND the knowledge that RG3 has - Kaepernick and Wilson are good but they're not THAT good

Our offense will include the read-option but the game planning and RG3 himself will ensure that the hits are at a minimum

SJ, I really don't think that being a 'better team player', or "sharing the load", so to speak, is an issue... there were games where he hit 8 different receivers... and there were games where the load was carried by Morris. There were also 3 games that would have been losses but for RG3's unique skill set... the Vikings game stands out... NO ONE ELSE could have done that. I think he had the right mix of "me and thee"... for the most part.

Sorry trey - I think that RG3 does a great job of spreading the load so to speak - I think he's got to do a better job of not trying to do too much ..

Kyle's offensive game planning has improved a bunch in the last 2 years and especially as RG3 started to get more of an idea of what was going on

I look for more of that as time goes on - RG3 needs to realize, we don't need him to be the offense - we need him to run the offense

he cannot do that as well when he's hobbled like he was at the end of last season