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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:48 pm
by skinsfan#33
the poster wrote:for the frauds that are defending the f- decision to draft a second qb high, I would like to know what they were thinking about the moment before Washington picked. I am sure none of you were thinking or wanting cousins.
but, I know How Internet boards work. football fans are all the same. you are sheep and yes men. corporate boys. it wouldn't have mattered if the redskins drafted a place kicker and a punter with both their 4th round picks, there would be defenders of that too. it's just how sheep work.
this nonsense of value for the pick is illogical. the opportunity to get value for cousins is slim.
1. your starter needs to get hurt (yayyyy, cheer for that..dummies)
2. this other rookie needs to get more reps than he normally would
3. he would have to have significant playing time somewhere between now and year 3 ( not past year 3)
4. he, um, has to play well (let's not forget that part of it)
all that has to happen, exactly for you to do something like trade him for what I dunno a second round pick 3 years from now.
he wasn't only value guy out there. there was a Nt who went to Pitt higher on other boards and is a need for wash. wash has a mediocre defensive line and that guy had the appropriate size, unlike their current Nt. big wr who went to Philly, too.
and are you serious ---- one foolish and idiotic comment here is "the cowboys did this 23 years ago, so there, that's the reason why it's ok Washington did it"
one time did something similar Twenty Years ago and that's your defnse??? the games changed a lot since then, redskins sheep.
draft grades:
eagles. A
giants. A -
cowboys B
redskins D-
and the divide between the rest of the division and the redskins gets wider.
enjoy your collection of 6 ft, nondescript wide receivers, patchwork offensive line, and collection of rookie quarterbacks (hey, maybe they'll use a 2 qb system, cousins does the passing and the other does the running, play action stuff) and roster of mediocre non descript running backs.
6-10, enjoy.
God what an idiotic post!
How hard is it to get the concept that a 4th round draft pick is normally used on a guy you hope to be able to develop into a starter. A NFL team needs two if not three QBs. Rex is our backup this year. We hope Cousins can develope into a backup QB (meaning he should be able to start if needed).
Here is another little tidbit. Most NFL QBs get hurt and don't plan a full season. You need a backup. Plenty of backup QBs have gotten playing time and been flipped for a higher draft pick.
You can't argue with this move? There is nothing bad you can say about it.
And yes, I wanted another young QB drafted to groom so we can get out of the Rex business. I didn't think they would draft one that early but was ecstatic when they did.
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:58 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
the poster wrote:
Exactly what I was getting at. They could have sat tight and kept the 2nd round pick and added a bigger.missing piece. Did they draft any safety help?
why is there even a comparison of the Dallas cowboys going on? typical redskin fan. they can't go five seconds without thinking about the Dallas cowboys, who by the way, OWN the redskins on the field.
who cares about Dallas. why r u even brining them up. Dallas has nothing to do with washington's bad draft. it's not the cowboys fault that washington's draft will keep them in last place.
Dallas has horrendous safeties?? really?? why do u care?? redskins safeties are great?? you HAD great safeties ...one of them died 4 years ago. you have nothing now but backups, castoffs, and drunk drivers.
You do know we have a smack section right?
Putting the pukes w a higher grade then dc was YOU making MY argument valid. Of course I was referring to the ESPN grades (much different then your mindless haterism).
I'm not going to attempt to school a poser with such ignorant posts.
We the sheep blindly follow? While she the *beep* blindly hate.
If we drafted.... Eh forget it. Your posts are redundant and boring. For an x dc fan you got your head pretty far up the cows ____s. = glad you are gone. Oh wait I hear a buzzing..
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:59 pm
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:the problem we used to have was that Dumb and Dumber did what many fans here want to do - bring in the 'BEST AVAILABLE TALENT'
ALL of these guys have talent - they are the top 200+ players coming out of college
this FO and the group supporting them are ONLY looking to add players that suit what we need - NOT players with talent
this franchise is heading in the right direction again BECAUSE we don't just add the best player available
GOTTA LOVE this FO
I couldn't disagree more with both points you made. I think Bruce and Mike
are bringing in the BPA. The difference between they and Vinny is that they actually know who the BPA is.
most time your posts are just dumb - this is not bad but just above that
This FO is ONLY bringing in the players that fit what they want and need
the ONLY part of your post I'll agree with is that they "are bringing in the best players available" - just like Dumb and Dumber did and maybe all the players that you would have liked
EXCEPT
this FO knows the "best players available" that suit their needs - UNLIKE you AND Dumb and Dumber
Wrong
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:07 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Question: name a pro qb who played a whole two games, not because the starter was injured but because the team clenched home field playoffs, who in turn created a ton of Buzz and earned a fat payday-
Alec- who is Matt Flynn?
Clausen plays well in preseason sell rex. If he plays any games the next two years gain picks. He's better then a Tebow and rated close to if not better then dirty Sanchez.
GREAT pick up
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:20 pm
by Red_One43
Thanks for the links - he looks impressive
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:49 pm
by chiefhog44
Hilarious that the Colts drafted a second QB in this draft after all the nonsense people were posting about Cousins. So funny how some people are that closed minded, ignorant or just have some agenda to not see how this improves our depth. And even funnier was that on NFL network, they were discussing for about 5 minutes how many times this has happened in history starting with the 1971 Oilers taking Dan Pastorini with with 3rd pick and Lynn Dickey in the 3rd round who they later traded to the Packers, all the way to happening twice this year, and how usually, it works out big (even bigger now that we are in a QB league). If you can upgrade a position, you do it, and clearly we didn't see any other value for our team needs at that spot as we traded down 5 picks later.
It takes logic and foresight to see how picking him up at worst upgrades the depth at QB, which nowadays you need (evidenced by the Colts). If he comes in to spell RG3 for any length of time, and plays well, we just scored draft picks like a Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel etc. Not exactly sure who was mentioning it, but I think it's pretty clear that they have no clue what they're talking about. Too funny. Do some homework before spouting off dumb comments. Sorry, I actually don't remember if it was one person or a couple, but good lord, the little amount I could get through on some of those posts was just plain stupid. Like it was written by a 15 year old.
Yes, I get it, it doesn't happen every year, but drafting two does happen and history proves that it usually turns into draft picks or a solid backup as a worse case. Um let's see, I would rather have (using my hands as a scale), Rex Grossman a 32 year old turnover machine with nobody in the league interested in him, or Kirk Cousins 23 years old, a second round rated QB, with big upside that once developed could be shopped for some high draft picks...
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:52 pm
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:the problem we used to have was that Dumb and Dumber did what many fans here want to do - bring in the 'BEST AVAILABLE TALENT'
ALL of these guys have talent - they are the top 200+ players coming out of college
this FO and the group supporting them are ONLY looking to add players that suit what we need - NOT players with talent
this franchise is heading in the right direction again BECAUSE we don't just add the best player available
GOTTA LOVE this FO
I couldn't disagree more with both points you made. I think Bruce and Mike
are bringing in the BPA. The difference between they and Vinny is that they actually know who the BPA is.
most time your posts are just dumb - this is not bad but just above that
This FO is ONLY bringing in the players that fit what they want and need
the ONLY part of your post I'll agree with is that they "are bringing in the best players available" - just like Dumb and Dumber did and maybe all the players that you would have liked
EXCEPT
this FO knows the "best players available" that suit their needs - UNLIKE you AND Dumb and Dumber
Another ridiculous SkinsJock post. Take a look at the Vinny Draft Day Stories thread to see that Vinny decided against McCoy because his position coach said no. If he were bringing in BPAs then he would have drafted him regardless. Bobby Beathard often drafted players even though Joe Gibbs was not sold on them, because he was a true talent guru, and new that you always draft for talent and not for need. You stockpile great players and everything else takes care of itself.
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:00 pm
by the poster
How hard is it to get the concept that a 4th round draft pick is normally used on a guy you hope to be able to develop into a starter.
no kidding.
so use it on a player who can become a starter for YOU. Let me guess, you're next sentence will probably change completely and talk about the redskins backup qb situation...
A NFL team needs two if not three QBs. Rex is our backup this year. We hope Cousins can develope into a backup QB
figures. argument fail.
Here is another little tidbit.
you haven't even gotten to the first legitimate "tidbit" yet.
Most NFL QBs get hurt and don't plan a full season. You need a backup.
I thought you guys already had one. if I want to embarrass all of you sheep, I'll start pulling out names from those that posted such glowing remarks of Rex signing on to be "the perfect NFL backup" in a thread that was started when he signed a contract this offseason.
Plenty of backup QBs have gotten playing time and been flipped for a higher draft pick.
plenty? describe plenty. yeah we know the big names, cassell, kolb....but tell me..what is plenty? and are you planning to go back through the annals of time back before there was free agency to substantiate this sentence.
let me tell you why this sentence is dumb. because for every qb you can find that was "flipped for a higher draft pick" I can find u ten that weren't. its more likely that it Doesn't happen.
And yes, I wanted another young QB drafted to groom so we can get out of the Rex business. I didn't think they would draft one that early but was ecstatic when they did.
I don't believe you. maybe you can produce evidence to this?........and as for where they picked him...that's the whole point, it's high enough in the draft where you should still be looking to strengthen other areas of one of the worst teams in the sport. I wouldnt care if they used a 6th or a 7th...but a high 4 was typical redskins....going what they though was bpa when they are not the quality of team to be drafting like that in the first place.
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:17 pm
by Red_One43
cowboykillerzRED wrote:I know the pukes moving up to get Claiborne was a good move but why did they get an A and us a B? I think its to early to tell but we had more picks and added a lot of competition at areas of need.
I can't speak to the Cowboys getting an "A," but I get why we get a "B." Shanny does not play by the draft rater rules. He selects guys that aren't the top rated guys available at their positions. He selects the guys that fit his scheme. Example was Evan Royster last year - there were faster, stronger and flat out better backs than Royster who were available, but look at what Royster did on the field in Shanny's scheme. The draft ratings are popularity stunts and Shanny doesn't give a hoot about what the draft ratings say and neither should we. Give the Cowboys an "A". We just need to kick "A" on the field.
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:40 pm
by the poster
Red_One43 wrote:Give the Cowboys an "A". We just need to kick "A" on the field.
that never happens.
4 straight last place finishes
11-21 udder shanahan
Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:13 pm
by TimSkin
the poster wrote:
Exactly what I was getting at. They could have sat tight and kept the 2nd round pick and added a bigger.missing piece. Did they draft any safety help?
why is there even a comparison of the Dallas cowboys going on? typical redskin fan. they can't go five seconds without thinking about the Dallas cowboys, who by the way, OWN the redskins on the field.
who cares about Dallas. why r u even brining them up. Dallas has nothing to do with washington's bad draft. it's not the cowboys fault that washington's draft will keep them in last place.
Dallas has horrendous safeties?? really?? why do u care?? redskins safeties are great?? you HAD great safeties ...one of them died 4 years ago. you have nothing now but backups, castoffs, and drunk drivers.
We are talking about the Cowboys because we play them TWICE every year and they are our top rival.....you on the other hand I heard a poop streak fan????? In the AFC North yet you come to a Skins site on draft day to troll about our team....BTW when was the last time the Streaks made the playoffs cuz I'm just curious
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:01 am
by tribeofjudah
the poster wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Give the Cowboys an "A". We just need to kick "A" on the field.
that never happens.
4 straight last place finishes
11-21 udder shanahan
Isn't there a tall CLIFF nearby you could jump off of........???
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:15 am
by 1niksder
tribeofjudah wrote:the poster wrote:Red_One43 wrote:Give the Cowboys an "A". We just need to kick "A" on the field.
that never happens.
4 straight last place finishes
11-21 udder shanahan
Isn't there a tall CLIFF nearby you could jump off of........???
He lives under a very small bridge....
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:09 am
by Deadskins
1niksder wrote:tribeofjudah wrote:Isn't there a tall CLIFF nearby you could jump off of........???
He lives under a very small bridge....
It's more of a plank across a ditch.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:22 am
by emoses14
the poster wrote:for the frauds that are defending the f- decision. . .
The irony of the highlighted portion had me on the floor. The rest tl:td:dr
The extra is too dumb.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:39 am
by NYFINESTSKINSFAN
the poster wrote:for the frauds that are defending the f- decision to draft a second qb high, I would like to know what they were thinking about the moment before Washington picked. I am sure none of you were thinking or wanting cousins.
but, I know How Internet boards work. football fans are all the same. you are sheep and yes men. corporate boys. it wouldn't have mattered if the redskins drafted a place kicker and a punter with both their 4th round picks, there would be defenders of that too. it's just how sheep work.
this nonsense of value for the pick is illogical. the opportunity to get value for cousins is slim.
1. your starter needs to get hurt (yayyyy, cheer for that..dummies)
2. this other rookie needs to get more reps than he normally would
3. he would have to have significant playing time somewhere between now and year 3 ( not past year 3)
4. he, um, has to play well (let's not forget that part of it)
all that has to happen, exactly for you to do something like trade him for what I dunno a second round pick 3 years from now.
he wasn't only value guy out there. there was a Nt who went to Pitt higher on other boards and is a need for wash. wash has a mediocre defensive line and that guy had the appropriate size, unlike their current Nt. big wr who went to Philly, too.
and are you serious ---- one foolish and idiotic comment here is "the cowboys did this 23 years ago, so there, that's the reason why it's ok Washington did it"
one time did something similar Twenty Years ago and that's your defnse??? the games changed a lot since then, redskins sheep.
draft grades:
eagles. A
giants. A -
cowboys B
redskins D-
and the divide between the rest of the division and the redskins gets wider.
enjoy your collection of 6 ft, nondescript wide receivers, patchwork offensive line, and collection of rookie quarterbacks (hey, maybe they'll use a 2 qb system, cousins does the passing and the other does the running, play action stuff) and roster of mediocre non descript running backs.
6-10, enjoy.
It is just a game, who really cares. I think your putting too much thought, stress, and time into something that wont make much a difference in your daily life. If anyone is a sheep it is you for a kids game having this much of a negative effect on you.
Good luck with that.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:23 am
by UK Skins Fan
When somebody posts that the Redskins have a mediocre defensive line and that nose tackle is a need, I stop reading. Sadly, that nonsense was too late in the post to save me from reading the first three quarters of it.
I'm still puzzled why somebody who refers to the Redskins as "you" is posting on this site.
Anyway, for what it's worth, I give this draft an A++, in respect of the positions that were drafted. If you'd told me before the draft that we would draft OL, QB, RB, LB and DB, I'd have been delighted. And now I know that's what we DID draft, I AM delighted.
I'm in no position to grade the players themselves, all I can do is read the "experts". There are plenty of question marks over a number of picks, but there also appears to be plenty of potential. I could paint a picture of total failure at this point, or of potential greatness. But the fact is that I don't know, and neither will anybody for two or three years.
But one thing I do know is that we have POTENTIALLY solidified the quarterback position for a long time. We have two players of great potential but with absolutely no quarterback controversy, unless RGIII sucks until 2014.
Shanahan has drafted more o linemen in his time in DC than Vinny could ever imagine. They haven't all worked out, and I doubt that all three that were drafted this year will work out either. But if one of them does, I call that success.
We acquired a solid linebacker prospect, who will hopefully really help the short term depth, and MAY be a long term replacement for #59.
The rest may or may not work out, but I'm fairly optimistic that this draft will, in retrospect, turn out to be as successful as last year's appears to have been.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:21 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
BOM! Roasted!
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:25 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
UK Skins Fan wrote:When somebody posts that the Redskins have a mediocre defensive line and that nose tackle is a need, I stop reading...
So "poster," how does it feel when a guy from across the pond where football means soccer runs circles around you regarding knowledge of the game of football where football means football?
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:01 pm
by Countertrey
Q: How do you drive a troll nuts?
A: Don't acknowledge her. Y'all did so well for a while... then...
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:51 pm
by UK Skins Fan
Countertrey wrote:Q: How do you drive a troll nuts?
A: Don't acknowledge her. Y'all did so well for a while... then...
Agreed, but my doctor says that it's good therapy for me to beat up on people less fortunate than me.
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:11 pm
by skinpride1
You need to learn how to toy with the trolls also. Have some fun with it!! Beat them at there own game. a few on here know that I'm damned good at that. But I prefer to be a good member on the board and be nice to everyone. However the poster child logic is so far off its almost like a 13 year old talking footall to his buddies on the school bus. Yo
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:08 pm
by Kilmer72
The more I see of this guy the more I like. I prefer his style of running. Punishing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJZEXw3G ... ure=relmfu
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:31 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
UK Skins Fan wrote:Countertrey wrote:Q: How do you drive a troll nuts?
A: Don't acknowledge her. Y'all did so well for a while... then...
Agreed, but my doctor says that it's good therapy for me to beat up on people less fortunate than me.
And I dissed socialized medicine. My bad...
Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:44 pm
by Red_One43
I am with you here.
Morris is an average speed back with reportedly above average ZBS running ability, but he's got the POWER! With Ryan Torain gone, We need a power back.