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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM

He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM"

So they took him out of the equation altogether....

The fact that the Redskins included the union in the grievance triggered the procedure that allows the teams to avoid a situation in which Commissioner Goodell resolves the matter. Instead, a true outsider will determine whether the action complied with the terms and/or the spirit of the labor deal.

1niksder wrote:

1niksder wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.

The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams.

Or they could..... do this

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins have filed a formal grievance against the NFL, the NFL Management Council, and the NFL Players Association challenging the agreement to remove and redistribute cap space allocated to the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for increasing the total salary cap for 2012 to $120.6 million per team.

Not many details currently are known about the grievance. The other 30 teams will receive a full briefing this week, at the league meetings in Florida.

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#573034

Deadskins wrote:

1niksder wrote:

1niksder wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.

The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams.

Or they could..... do this

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins have filed a formal grievance against the NFL, the NFL Management Council, and the NFL Players Association challenging the agreement to remove and redistribute cap space allocated to the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for increasing the total salary cap for 2012 to $120.6 million per team.

Not many details currently are known about the grievance. The other 30 teams will receive a full briefing this week, at the league meetings in Florida.

http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php? ... ht=#573034

That's 20 mins late

Yeah, I thought I had scooped Irn-bru, but realized the time in my profile was still EST, not EDT.

I did look before I posted, though, and didn't see a thread about it already, and I don't know why.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM

He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM"

This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.

Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.

How about returning with a cogent response?

For someone like Mara to "make this call" sounds illegal as well. Considering his franchise stands to benefit from it more than anyone else.

Add in the fact that there were other teams, particularly the Bears and Packers who did exactly the same thing and, were untouched.

I think Snyder and Jones need to set their sights directly on Mara, something sounds awefully fishy there.

I mean, if you can give your company an advantage by penalizing your competitors. Especially when you are in a position of power to enforce such a thing

How is that much different than what he's accusing Snyder and Jones of doing?

jmooney wrote:For someone like Mara to "make this call" sounds illegal as well. Considering his franchise stands to benefit from it more than anyone else.

Ya think?

How is that much different than what he's accusing Snyder and Jones of doing?

Ya think?

Countertrey wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM

He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM"

This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.

Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.

How about returning with a cogent response?

It's completely responsive. He could have told Mara that he needs to take it up with the owners. It's a dispute between owners and even more so it's division rivals. Mara may have been irked, but he's have had to understand that. It wouldn't have had a long term impact. On the other hand he was willing to burn two bridges to stick his nose in a dispute he had an easy out of. If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM

He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM"

This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.

Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.

How about returning with a cogent response?

It's completely responsive. He could have told Mara that he needs to take it up with the owners. It's a dispute between owners and even more so it's division rivals. Mara may have been irked, but he's have had to understand that. It wouldn't have had a long term impact. On the other hand he was willing to burn two bridges to stick his nose in a dispute he had an easy out of. If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division?

Problem: The Fat lady has yet to sing. We have no idea what the power structure is among these committees... This one appears to be the most powerful, and politically potent. Mara speaks, Goodell acts.

I suspect that both have severely over-reached. It's possible that the league will find some face saving way to back out of this by the end of the owner's meetings this week.

Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall?

Countertrey wrote:I suspect that both have severely over-reached. It's possible that the league will find some face saving way to back out of this by the end of the owner's meetings this week.

Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall?

Heck yeah. I'm curious too where the owners come down on this. Is it all the less profitable teams vs. the richer teams?

I wouldn't consider the G-strings to be a less profitable team.

Nor would I... and, I wouldn't be surprized to find that Kraft and Rooney are involved as well... also "not less than profitable"...

Deadskins wrote:I wouldn't consider the G-strings to be a less profitable team.

No, you're right - I didn't mean to imply that. Mara and the Giants have a much more obvious reason for being willing to penalize two division rivals.

Countertrey wrote:Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall?

That would be cool

By Mark Maske

The NFL has no plans to penalize the Washington Redskins over allegations that the team’s defensive players had an improper bounty program when Gregg Williams oversaw the defense between the 2004 and 2007 seasons, according to a person with knowledge of the league’s investigation.

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Houston, Detroit and N.Y. Giants are all roughly 700,000 over the NFL's salary cap, according to a league source. Houston can take their cap exception from the Redskins and Cowboys and get under the cap but the Giants and Lions will have to make a move or restructure contracts to get under cap. They have until Wednesday to get under the cap.

I've got the Skins sitting at right over $7M in space... That's more that ten times what the gints have and they used some of Washington's money

1niksder wrote:<---Link

Houston, Detroit and N.Y. Giants are all roughly 700,000 over the NFL's salary cap, according to a league source. Houston can take their cap exception from the Redskins and Cowboys and get under the cap but the Giants and Lions will have to make a move or restructure contracts to get under cap. They have until Wednesday to get under the cap.

I've got the Skins sitting at right over $7M in space... That's more that ten times what the gints have and they used some of Washington's money

what's your count for recent super bowl titles vs last place finishes? right,

the league said in court documents filed last week, “no rules or agreements were broken” by the Redskins and Cowboys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -redskins/

We might want to revisit this, in light of the NFL's own filings.

Deadskins wrote:

the league said in court documents filed last week, “no rules or agreements were broken” by the Redskins and Cowboys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -redskins/

We might want to revisit this, in light of the NFL's own filings.

what a mess - I'd agree that the NFLPA is most likely going to lose in Doty's court, but I doubt that anything changes as far as the Skins and pukes are concerned

this is just a HUGE mess

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

the league said in court documents filed last week, “no rules or agreements were broken” by the Redskins and Cowboys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -redskins/

We might want to revisit this, in light of the NFL's own filings.

what a mess - I'd agree that the NFLPA is most likely going to lose in Doty's court, but I doubt that anything changes as far as the Skins and pukes are concerned

this is just a HUGE mess

If someone accepts the settlement offer and cashes the check, they can't turn around and sue you anyway. I blasted the players for this exact reason at the time and I got a bunch of flack that the players had "no choice." Well, now the NFL is safe, they can admit to whatever they want. There is no mess at all for them. The NFLPA sold us out, with friends like that....

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

the league said in court documents filed last week, “no rules or agreements were broken” by the Redskins and Cowboys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -redskins/

We might want to revisit this, in light of the NFL's own filings.

what a mess - I'd agree that the NFLPA is most likely going to lose in Doty's court, but I doubt that anything changes as far as the Skins and pukes are concerned

this is just a HUGE mess

If someone accepts the settlement offer and cashes the check, they can't turn around and sue you anyway. I blasted the players for this exact reason at the time and I got a bunch of flack that the players had "no choice." Well, now the NFL is safe, they can admit to whatever they want. There is no mess at all for them. The NFLPA sold us out, with friends like that....

True for the NFLPA, not true for the Skins and Pies.

Deadskins wrote:

kaz wrote:If someone accepts the settlement offer and cashes the check, they can't turn around and sue you anyway. I blasted the players for this exact reason at the time and I got a bunch of flack that the players had "no choice." Well, now the NFL is safe, they can admit to whatever they want. There is no mess at all for them. The NFLPA sold us out, with friends like that....

True for the NFLPA, not true for the Skins and Pies.

Not sure what that means exactly. If you mean it's not "fair" then I agree. If you mean it's not "legal" then you're going to have to be more specific. I doubt Danny and Jerry would have dropped this if they saw a legal remedy.

They can still take the NFL to court. And now they have the NFL's own court filing that they did no wrong to use against them. This is considered the nuclear option, though, because taking the NFL to court exposes the league (and by extension, the Skins and Pies) to antitrust violations. But I bet, if they did file, the NFL would quickly settle before it ever got that far.