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Sonny9TD wrote:Holcomb's path to immediate playing time likely comes through special teams, but it's not like this defense is stacked at inside linebacker. Reuben Foster is cleared to play for now but counting on him for 16 games would be irresponsible, and Shaun Dion Hamilton and Mason Foster don't have the athleticism that Holcomb has.

You have every right to be fired up about Haskins and Sweat and McLaurin and everyone else. Just don't forget about Holcomb.

"Well when you’re looking at linebackers this day in age, you want to make sure they have the ability to cover in space and that’s what his gift is," Gruden said. "He’s very good out in space."

Holcomb the gem in the draft. Maybe even Moreland.

One thing I know is you can't coach speed and Holcomb has that which means he can cover tight ends. That's going to be big.

Countertrey wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:Jumping in this thread very late.

I just want to say that having been a Redskins fan for over 50 years now, this is the first time I ever felt "proud" of this team's draft efforts. Are they gonna finish 10-6 or better and make the playoffs now? I sincerely doubt it; however, I truly think I join many other Redskins fans out there with more optimism than I've had in quite some time.

^^^

Yeah I'm with that, too. I don't know that I feel "optimism" exactly. (No offense but you may have like battered fan syndrome if you ever feel optimistic about this team! hah.) I really like defensive roster and feel like the team has been drafting very well the past several years.

And now that we have Haskins I at least feel like its not going to be another exercise in futility trotting out some retread QB for the hundredth time. He gives us all a legit reason to watch. We drafted what could/should be our franchise QB. It was a reasonable gamble, and I'll be looking forward to watching him.

Holcomb My favorite pick in the draft update


He is an athletic freak: His 40 time of 4.48 would have been 4th among linebackers (behind only the Devins and Gary Johnson) at the Combine; His broad jump of 132” would have been tops among LBs; His vertical of 39.5” would have tied him for second, with Devin White (only Devin Bush leaped higher); His 22 reps would have tied him at 12th - with Devin White. Athletically, in fact, Holcomb appears to mirror Devin White very closely.

I do believe we found someone to stop the run and in our division this is a must. See ya Zach

2nd favorite Wes Martin tied with Harmon

The offensive line only allowed 13 sacks (7th lowest in the nation). During his sophomore year, Martin started all 13 game at left guard. Devine Redding became the first Indiana RB to post back to back 1,000 seasons in 25 years. In his junior season, he started all 12 games at left guard and recorded the most pass blocking snaps (569) in the country without allowing a sack (among 298 college guards, Quenton Nelson was the only other to perform similarly).

He’s strong as an ox, and with some coaching up by Bill Callahan, could end up being a book end with Brandon, and helping to anchor our interior offensive line for years to come.

In addition to an intriguing option at guard, Martin appears to be a really good guy. Apparently, he started a dog rescue, Brave Breed Rescue, with his family. Hopefully, this fall he’ll be helping out pups in the DMV.

We now have a left guard and a return to the HOGS!!

Justice Hog wrote:Jumping in this thread very late.

I just want to say that having been a Redskins fan for over 50 years now, this is the first time I ever felt "proud" of this team's draft efforts. Are they gonna finish 10-6 or better and make the playoffs now? I sincerely doubt it; however, I truly think I join many other Redskins fans out there with more optimism than I've had in quite some time.

It's not the first time. I mean I thought the team had some good drafts back in the early and mid 1980's. But it's definitely the first time in a long time. If they wanted to give me an excuse to give a crap they did a pretty solid job.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:It's not the first time. I mean I thought the team had some good drafts back in the early and mid 1980's. But it's definitely the first time in a long time. If they wanted to give me an excuse to give a crap they did a pretty solid job.

They've been doing a decent job in the draft for a while now IMO. Good article in the Post yesterday that nails exactly how I feel about it:

The Redskins are gathering useful pieces. Can they build something with them?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 74e72dd235

In a vacuum, your favorite ne’er-do-well franchise is performing just fine. Decision by decision, each roster selection makes sense. Each choice is highly justifiable. Even if you may disagree about specific players or risks taken, the approach is usually understandable, if not spot-on. For the most part, the past five offseasons — first two with Scot McCloughan, the past three led by an eclectic front-office mix with similar team-building intentions — represent a novel period of sustained competence in Daniel Snyder’s 20 years of ownership.

Yet for all this accumulation of seemingly good ingredients, the meal still doesn’t taste right. The team has made only one playoff appearance and experienced just two winning seasons during this span. The 2019 draft is over, and the reaction underscores Washington’s current dilemma: Draft analysts are tossing out bouquets of A grades for this 10-player class, but few would go as far as declaring the entire team a safe bet to make the playoffs.

The nagging question: If the Redskins are drafting so well, if they’re being wiser about free agency than they have in the past, why are they still failing?

riggofan wrote:The nagging question: If the Redskins are drafting so well, if they’re being wiser about free agency than they have in the past, why are they still failing?

Because you're not going anywhere without a quarterback who wins the games that matter. That's why Kirk Cousins was not the answer. Hopefully Dwayne Haskins is the answer.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:The nagging question: If the Redskins are drafting so well, if they’re being wiser about free agency than they have in the past, why are they still failing?

Because you're not going anywhere without a quarterback who wins the games that matter. That's why Kirk Cousins was not the answer. Hopefully Dwayne Haskins is the answer.

That and a running game and a pass rush and some fundamental tackling. This team was a long way from being good every week. Even Colt McCoy can have success now on offense. I think running behind Wes Martin is a good place to start. Then play action and the yards start to add up. Give em hell Colt

Maybe we can pick up a well rounded TE before the season who can catch and block. Sure wish Jordan or Vernon could block because they can sure enough catch. All we got for now.

*Sprinkle is good at both.. But not an elite athelete like the star TEs out there. I heard Rudolph from the Vikes might be otw out. He shows up big then disappears. We might consider pursuit if he is let go

Although not a great excuse, lets not forget about the injuries....I think we compete for the division/wildcard without them??

DEHog wrote:Although not a great excuse, lets not forget about the injuries....I think we compete for the division/wildcard without them??

Yes, but we're the team that didn't allow an injured and ineffective starting QB to derail our Super Bowl aspirations so we should never use injuries as an excuse.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:Although not a great excuse, lets not forget about the injuries....I think we compete for the division/wildcard without them??

Yes, but we're the team that didn't allow an injured and ineffective starting QB to derail our Super Bowl aspirations so we should never use injuries as an excuse.

Agreed as I said not a great excuse, that said injuries have an impact...do you think Gruden would still be here without all the injuries?

DEHog wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:Although not a great excuse, lets not forget about the injuries....I think we compete for the division/wildcard without them??

Yes, but we're the team that didn't allow an injured and ineffective starting QB to derail our Super Bowl aspirations so we should never use injuries as an excuse.

Agreed as I said not a great excuse, that said injuries have an impact...do you think Gruden would still be here without all the injuries?

I may be alone in this but, yes, I think Gruden would still be here because I think his record would be substantially better.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I may be alone in this but, yes, I think Gruden would still be here because I think his record would be substantially better.

Did Gruden go somewhere?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: I may be alone in this but, yes, I think Gruden would still be here because I think his record would be substantially better.

You said "we should never use injuries as an excuse' but now you're making my point

DEHog wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: I may be alone in this but, yes, I think Gruden would still be here because I think his record would be substantially better.

You said "we should never use injuries as an excuse' but now you're making my point

Injuries can't really be an excuse because every NFL team has injuries. But I think its fair to say that the Redskins dealt with an EXTRAORDINARY number of injuries over the past two years.



Six guys on IR is a high number for a team. Think I read somewhere the other day that they had FIVE offensive guards on IR last year. lol.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:*Sprinkle is good at both.. But not an elite athelete like the star TEs out there. I heard Rudolph from the Vikes might be otw out. He shows up big then disappears. We might consider pursuit if he is let go

Sprinkle hasn't so far or Gruen wouldn't have said he needs one that can do both. Only thing Sprinkle can do is try and block the sight of the Belk Tyler floor manager and catch a ride home

DEHog wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: I may be alone in this but, yes, I think Gruden would still be here because I think his record would be substantially better.

You said "we should never use injuries as an excuse' but now you're making my point

There was an intended hint of sarcasm in my post that apparently failed to come across. We got lucky as hell that Joe Gibbs was our coach. He was the only reason Doug Williams was ever in the NFL and the only reason he was back in the NFL once the USFL folded. Williams was the first Black QB in NFL history drafted in the first round, strictly because of Joe Gibbs. Williams only got to play because Schroeder was kind of an ass. The players liked Williams better. Williams himself had major dental surgery the day before the game and couldn't sleep. Then he nearly twists his knee off barely into the game. The rest is history.

My actual point was there's a hell of a lot of luck involved with or without injuries.

But in Gruden's specific case Alex Smith was 6-2. The other QBs on the roster went 1-7. There's no question that injury alone hurt the team and its coach. And now he may never play again so does that buy Gruden more time to develop Haskins? Probably. The coaching carousel hasn't worked out for the Skins any better than the QB carousel has worked.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: I may be alone in this but, yes, I think Gruden would still be here because I think his record would be substantially better.

You said "we should never use injuries as an excuse' but now you're making my point

There was an intended hint of sarcasm in my post that apparently failed to come across. We got lucky as hell that Joe Gibbs was our coach. He was the only reason Doug Williams was ever in the NFL and the only reason he was back in the NFL once the USFL folded. Williams was the first Black QB in NFL history drafted in the first round, strictly because of Joe Gibbs. Williams only got to play because Schroeder was kind of an ass. The players liked Williams better. Williams himself had major dental surgery the day before the game and couldn't sleep. Then he nearly twists his knee off barely into the game. The rest is history.

My actual point was there's a hell of a lot of luck involved with or without injuries.

But in Gruden's specific case Alex Smith was 6-2. The other QBs on the roster went 1-7. There's no question that injury alone hurt the team and its coach. And now he may never play again so does that buy Gruden more time to develop Haskins? Probably. The coaching carousel hasn't worked out for the Skins any better than the QB carousel has worked.

Maybe we have a Sims and Sims Jr uprise at WR??? Cam on one side and mini me Sims Jr? Let Jdoc and Prich fight the rooks for the other side?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hogsha ... -wr-kansas

Udfa with some speed and upside- some E Sanders comparisons.. Maybe djax like but leas afraid of contact.


Probably will fight for returb duty and special team.. But we need speed at wideout

Probably will fight for returb duty and special team.. But we need speed at wideout[/quote]

I like this Steve Sims. He is a ball player and just what we need. I think we got a steal with him. A gem no doubt. If he can catch all that comes his way he has the speed and route running ability to start for this team. Awesome pick up

Just saw why Harmon slipped to the 6th round. Because he ran a 4.6 forty. I don't know about you but 4.6 aint bad. Especially being a bigger WR. Basically he fell to the 6th because he is 9/100ths of a second slower than Julian Edelman. If Harmon is nearly as quick as Edelman we got a steal. Harmon has some moves. He can fake you out of your shoes. He is really good within the first 10 yards to separate. That is all that really matters. I just hope Haskins doesn't throw it a 100 miles an hour for a 10 yard pass. Sure hope he has some touch. Harmon is going to be a gem we stole in the 6th who is going to demand top money in 5 years.

The 40 yard dash is hardly what to expect when in pads and running a route, shaking dbs, and contesting catches. One of the best WRs of all time HOFer Jerry Rice put up a 4.7... I rest my case

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:The 40 yard dash is hardly what to expect when in pads and running a route, shaking dbs, and contesting catches. One of the best WRs of all time HOFer Jerry Rice put up a 4.7... I rest my case

And one of the worst receivers of all time was an Olympic sprinter. John Jett.

BOM!

We def have some unproven talent in the WR room this year. Hopefully these guys can gell with who ever is slingn the rock. Love to see JDoc live up to his potential... But I also really liked the maximum effort Cam Simms displayed in preseason... Wouldn't be sad at all if JDoc ended up riding pine while the hungrier wide outs get fed!!

Does anyone remember Frank Budd? He was the fastest man in the world from the Olympics. He was a gigantic failure as an NFL receiver with the Redskins.