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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Is Allen even the "GM"?

you're kidding right?


Lmmfao

Bruce Allen is President of Football Operations. The team has no named GM: Allen functions as the GM; Doug Williams selects players; somebody else studies the salary cap.

welch wrote:Bruce Allen is President of Football Operations. The team has no named GM: Allen functions as the GM; Doug Williams selects players; somebody else studies the salary cap.

that speaks volumes ... and some here whine about my pointing out that Dan needs to change the people who decides who coaches and play here

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:

1) Lack of quality depth? Possible that our key guys are playing more downs because we don't have the depth to rotate?
2) Injuries from starting low quality players? I think if you look at the Alex Smith injury for example you can blame it almost directly on whichever third string RB it was who missed that block.
3) Players down on the franchise, giving up just don't care. If you really don't give a crap about the team, isn't it easier to go on the IR and collect your paycheck? Guys on good teams are more willing to battle through injury.
4) Relying on too many old players or players with injury histories?
5) Too much contact or not enough contact at practice?

Just some thoughts off the top of my head, but these things seem more likely to me than the trainers not having them stretch properly or something.

Hence my comment about have an outside agency review the training staff/program.

The training staff are relevant to ONE of the FIVE issues I suggested. But yeah, hiring and outside agency to review the training staff would be exactly the kind of move that gets fans in DC stoked in the off season. It could be this year's "Hey we hired Brian Lafemina to fix the terrible FedEx field experience!"

Why would the fans know?? Trying to sell that to the fans would be ridiculous!!

DEHog wrote:Why would the fans know?? Trying to sell that to the fans would be ridiculous!!

lol. And yet the team does it each and every year, don't they? We are truly the saddest, most desperate fanbase in all of sports.

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:Why would the fans know?? Trying to sell that to the fans would be ridiculous!!

lol. And yet the team does it each and every year, don't they? We are truly the saddest, most desperate fanbase in all of sports.

Ha very true! For the record the Eagles lost more games/production to injuries this year then the Skins.

DEHog wrote:Ha very true! For the record the Eagles lost more games/production to injuries this year then the Skins.

I know we had the most players on IR this year. Is the Eagles number like Players on IR x Games Lost? Interesting.

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:Ha very true! For the record the Eagles lost more games/production to injuries this year then the Skins.

I know we had the most players on IR this year. Is the Eagles number like Players on IR x Games Lost? Interesting.

Gaudi mentioned it again this morning, sorry I don't remember the website but it's based on games lost and productivity...it measures impact.
I.E. a starter going on IR vs. a practice squad player.

Makes sense. Eagles were really lucky (again) to have Foles as their backup. It seems like the Skins thought they had a good backup QB situation as well, certainly paid Colt well for that security.

riggofan wrote:Makes sense. Eagles were really lucky (again) to have Foles as their backup. It seems like the Skins thought they had a good backup QB situation as well, certainly paid Colt well for that security.

I wish Colt had stay healthy, I was excited for his opportunity!!

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:I would like to see an outside agency come in and review our training staff/programs.

Would be interesting to know which injuries were preventable. The broken legs, concussions, torn pecs, nerve damaged shins, torn ACLs, etc; etc;

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... juries.htm

Its a violent sport.

REPORT: Redskins Hired Outside Consultants to Examine Rash of Injuries

The rash of injuries have long been a topic of discussion among fans, with their ire pointed at the training staff. It appears the fans aren’t the only ones taking notice, as Michael Phillips of the Richmond Times-Dispatch revealed in an appearance with Chad Dukes on 106.7 the Fan Monday.

“One thing I will tell you, though,” Phillips said per Chris Lingebach of 106.7 the Fan. “Bruce Allen and the Redskins were so concerned about this, they hired outside consultants to come into the building this offseason and examine everything about the way the Redskins handle injuries. Top, down. Top to bottom.

“Gave them full latitude of the building – ask questions, do whatever you want. So I can tell you that while it is still happening, that’s bad, there’s at least a general awareness that this is bad and this is not normal.”

It seems like with the number of people involved in the business of "sports medicine" in the Redskins facilities that not much would get missed in the way of "we're doing something wrong." The team doctors would be the first to notice any recurring patterns of similar injuries. Are we to believe they would say nothing? The trainers would know if a player was not working out or not stretching or working out improperly. Are we to believe they would say nothing? Are we to believe players would rather be injured than healthy? Maybe it's just me but I can't draw a straight line from players being injured to the Redskins specifically. I think the franchise has had a lot of bad luck and maybe that comes from bad ownership, bad management, bad coaching, bad training, and bad workout habits but what are the odds correlation equal causation here? Slim to none I would venture.

As an aside it must be nice to make six figures for "consulting." If the doctors like James Andrews, who perform the surgeries, have no advice on how to prevent these injuries then why would it be reasonable to think an outside consulting firm would have the answers? It isn't as far as I can discern but I'll take that "consulting fee" any time Dan Snyder wants to pay me.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:As an aside it must be nice to make six figures for "consulting." If the doctors like James Andrews, who perform the surgeries, have no advice on how to prevent these injuries then why would it be reasonable to think an outside consulting firm would have the answers? It isn't as far as I can discern but I'll take that "consulting fee" any time Dan Snyder wants to pay me.

It might amount to nothing. The consultants could very well say "everything you're doing looks sound and this was just bad luck". I'm glad to hear that the team is at least having some outside eyes take a look to review. A second opinion certainly can't hurt.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:As an aside it must be nice to make six figures for "consulting." If the doctors like James Andrews, who perform the surgeries, have no advice on how to prevent these injuries then why would it be reasonable to think an outside consulting firm would have the answers? It isn't as far as I can discern but I'll take that "consulting fee" any time Dan Snyder wants to pay me.

It might amount to nothing. The consultants could very well say "everything you're doing looks sound and this was just bad luck". I'm glad to hear that the team is at least having some outside eyes take a look to review. A second opinion certainly can't hurt.

Yes, but can it help? I'm not seeing that. "Yep, you're right. Y'all have a *sh$t* load of injuries. Or is that a *f$ck* ton of injuries? When my *sh$t* loads turn to *f$ck* tons I'll be coming home to you."

There is no magic potion or cure all for injuries, especially the type the Redskins seem to have. Scherff, probably the strongest player on the team, tearing a pec? Alex Smith, who had missed no more than one start per season his entire career breaking a leg? You can't even make this stuff up.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:As an aside it must be nice to make six figures for "consulting." If the doctors like James Andrews, who perform the surgeries, have no advice on how to prevent these injuries then why would it be reasonable to think an outside consulting firm would have the answers? It isn't as far as I can discern but I'll take that "consulting fee" any time Dan Snyder wants to pay me.

It might amount to nothing. The consultants could very well say "everything you're doing looks sound and this was just bad luck". I'm glad to hear that the team is at least having some outside eyes take a look to review. A second opinion certainly can't hurt.

Yes, but can it help? I'm not seeing that. "Yep, you're right. Y'all have a *sh$t* load of injuries. Or is that a *f$ck* ton of injuries? When my *sh$t* loads turn to *f$ck* tons I'll be coming home to you."

There is no magic potion or cure all for injuries, especially the type the Redskins seem to have. Scherff, probably the strongest player on the team, tearing a pec? Alex Smith, who had missed no more than one start per season his entire career breaking a leg? You can't even make this stuff up.

Yea I get that injuries are a part of the game, but I don't think this hurts. I like it for a few reasons...also you have to think about the players, you know this gets to them when they see all the injuries. They may start to question the staff as well, this lets them know the organization is doing all it can to make sure they are receiving the best training/care there is.

DEHog wrote:Yea I get that injuries are a part of the game, but I don't think this hurts. I like it for a few reasons...also you have to think about the players, you know this gets to them when they see all the injuries. They may start to question the staff as well, this lets them know the organization is doing all it can to make sure they are receiving the best training/care there is.

Obviously anything that helps or might help I am all for. I'm just not seeing what a consultant could possibly do that a team doctor or training staff hasn't done. Except maybe having men who should never wear Spandex doing yoga or something.

Yeah I'm definitely skeptical that they'll determine anything but who knows.

Was there something last year with guys complaining about training in pads late in the season? Just curious. Even that doesn't really explain the injury thing though. We were pretty much decimated by early October! hah.

Internal or external, someone needed to look at everything as a whole. They may have tried internal review like that last year and external would be the next logical step. When you get specialists at different things, some specifics may conflict between specifics in different areas - gym work against scrimmage warmups etc. Fingers crossed this either helped identify any issues or confirmed that every area is doing the right things for it all to work together

How long has the staff been in place? Is this the same staff that handled RGIII. I still don't know who was responsible but he shouldn't have been on the field when he tore his ACL.

Surely FedEx Field has something to do with this situation?

Good ol Mike kept a limping RGiii on the field- thats on him IMO.

Excellent call on FedEx field, it has played a BIG role in injuries- they need the cash so destroy the field with too many events... If we fill the seats maybe that can encourage less events and better field care?

While the field doesnt help, its far from "the reason" or the main cause. Dont see it tearing pecs... Wasn't the guice ACL on turf? Maybe Im trippin

Is there data for what injuries were at Home???

El Mexican wrote:Surely FedEx Field has something to do with this situation?

Ive thought this might be the case for quite some time. A bad field has to increase the risk of leg and knee injuries.

Actually the field has been in great shape, they fix the issue the year after RG was hurt...remember a Seahawk player also tore his ACL and blamed the field...I think it was Celmons??
The Skins have had the field resodded every year after and during the season.

DEHog wrote:Actually the field has been in great shape, they fix the issue the year after RG was hurt...remember a Seahawk player also tore his ACL and blamed the field...I think it was Celmons??
The Skins have had the field resodded every year after and during the season.

The field starts in great shape but about half-way through the season it looks pretty bad compared with the other stadiums.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:Actually the field has been in great shape, they fix the issue the year after RG was hurt...remember a Seahawk player also tore his ACL and blamed the field...I think it was Celmons??
The Skins have had the field resodded every year after and during the season.

The field starts in great shape but about half-way through the season it looks pretty bad compared with the other stadiums.

Right, then they resod it on a bye week or when the team has a away game midway through the season.