Game Day Thread - Redskins Vs. Falcons

[Hooligan]

Another reason I just can't bash Cousins for that INT:

No running game all day.

4th string free agent TE.

No Jackson for the deep threat.

That's not the makings of a good passing game. I think Kirk did pretty well considering what he had to work with.

[oj]

Why did the Redskins defense allow so many rushing yards on our right side? If they had shut that down as a halftime adjustment - just that one thing - we would have won. If thye had shut down the run the game would have been done and over with. Cousins did not lose the game on his own, quit focusing on him.

[riggofan]

Why did the Redskins defense allow so many rushing yards on our right side? If they had shut that down as a halftime adjustment - just that one thing - we would have won. If thye had shut down the run the game would have been done and over with. Cousins did not lose the game on his own, quit focusing on him.

Yeah that was kind of disappointing considering how well the defense did v. Ryan/Jones especially. I thought they would have done better against the run.

[StorminMormon86]

C00ley called that interception (live during the broadcast of the game on the radio, long before Gruden spoke to the media) and said that if Grant didn't fall, it would've been a completion. At the very least, it wouldn't have been a pick six if he didn't fall.

[SkinsJock]

an interception is an interception - some QBs have a reputation for turning the ball over - Captain Kirk is one of those QBs

Except for last week when he didn't throw any. But why let that get in the way of some A+ trolling?

I see some Brett Favre in Kirk Cousins, and as a person I wouldn't care for that, but as a quarterback I'll take it.

Brett Favre - are you effing kidding me - what I don't see is fans saying "Brett Favre is a turnover machine like Kirk Cousin" - WHY IS THAT?

Kirk Cousins can get rid of that reputation when he stops being so good at it but not before
"Kirk Cousins went a whole game without throwing an interception..." hooray Captain Kirk - why can't he get rid of this "undeserved" rep?

guess what - whether you like it or not it's what he does - he can change the reputation easily - STOP THROWING INTERCEPTIONS

give me a break - comparing Brett Favre & Captain Kirk Cousins ...

[SkinsJock]

Captain Kirk has this reputation - it's deserved, he earned it - it's what he's known for ... actually he's quite good at it

don't try and make out like it's not a reputation that he deserves

I tell you what, he can stop it easily - just stop throwing interceptions ... it's that simple

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Brett Favre - are you effing kidding me - what I don't see is fans saying "Brett Favre is a turnover machine like Kirk Cousin" - WHY IS THAT?

Favre threw 336 interceptions in his 20 year career, an average of 16.8 per season, or over 1 per game. He also led his team to a number of comebacks. What break do you want given?

[SkinsJock]

Brett Favre - are you effing kidding me - what I don't see is fans saying "Brett Favre is a turnover machine like Kirk Cousin" - WHY IS THAT?

Favre threw 336 interceptions in his 20 year career, an average of 16.8 per season, or over 1 per game. He also led his team to a number of comebacks. What break do you want given?

It's just amazing to me that Brett Favre does not have a reputation for being an interception machine - or does he?

It does not matter that receivers fall down or tip balls - QBs that throw interceptions get that reputation because that is what happens when they are playing QB - there are a bunch of QBs in the NFL and there are many interceptions that are not the QBs fault ... however - there are some QBs (and Captain Kirk is one of them) that just plain throw interceptions - it's what they do ...

nobody thinks that they want to throw interceptions - it just happens

hey B&GF - maybe Captain Kirk should just keep slinging the ball out there and hope the receivers find a way to catch it - we might have a future Hall of Fame QB on our hands - is that what you're suggesting?

oh boy - you're good at finding these gems aren't you?

[SkinsJock]

there is no way that Captain Kirk Cousins at the same stage of his career is considered a starting caliber QB on the same level as Brett Favre

Captain Kirk Cousins is not even close to the type of player or competitor as Brett Favre - please stop with these stupid comparisons

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

there is no way that Captain Kirk Cousins at the same stage of his career is considered a starting caliber QB on the same level as Brett Favre

Captain Kirk Cousins is not even close to the type of player or competitor as Brett Favre - please stop with these stupid comparisons

At this stage of his career, Favre was a backup with the Atlanta Falcons.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

there is no way that Captain Kirk Cousins at the same stage of his career is considered a starting caliber QB on the same level as Brett Favre

Captain Kirk Cousins is not even close to the type of player or competitor as Brett Favre - please stop with these stupid comparisons

You want another one? Favre's 20th game was his 1st game of his 4th season. Cousins' 20th game will be his 6th game of his 4th season.

[DarthMonk]

While we hoped for a win but expected the loss, this one is on Gruden. If he had taken the 1 point rather than gtrying fot 2, the Redskins would have won in regulation time by 1 point rather than the tie.

Can't play the hindsight game. It was the right decision at the time. Had to go for 2 there, a made 2 would've made it 15-12 and forced ATL to score a TD to win in regulation. Nobody knew how the rest of the game would unfold at that point.

Agreed. Saying we would have won assumes an awful lot.

Having said that, I've never been a fan of going for 2 unless it's very late. There were almost 8 minutes left. Both teams actually got 2 more possessions in regulation. Missing out on one point can hurt you with score in just as many ways as getting 2 can help you. For instance, if we kick and get a 2 point lead, 7 more makes it 9, not 8. On the flip side, missing on 2 keeps it 13-12 and they can score 8 to make their lead 7 which they could not do if we kick for 14-12.

I'm generally a wait-until-2-minutes guy.

[aswas71788]

I didn't say we should have won. I said we hoped for a win. I did not understand the 2 point conversion try then and still do not understand it. Yes, the kick after the score is more difficult but the percentage of those being made is far more than the percentage of the 2 point conversions being made. It almost looked like Gruden was going to try it to show the Falcons up. We are 2 - 3 and have shown improvements. However, I would not be surprised to see Gruden gone at the end of the season regardless of what Cousins does. Gruden has made to many bad decisions in the first five games. I can't even credit him with the change in culture. That seems to be Scott M's doing. I was one of those that was hoping for Gruden to be selected and the HC. Seeing him now, I am not impressed.

[SkinsJock]

So B&GF - is it your estimation of what you've seen so far of Captain Kirk Cousins that he's going to be an elite type QB because I think we all will agree that Brett Favre was pretty special and I don't recall that at any time, even though Brett threw a lot of interceptions, he was considered an interception machine like we have here in Captain Kirk Cousins

Peyton Manning has thrown 7 interceptions this season - why is he not thrown into the mix and considered AS CAPTAIN KIRK IS to be a QB that throws too many interceptions?

I just want to give Captain Kirk the credit that he deserves - he's really good at this ...

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

So B&GF - is it your estimation of what you've seen so far of Captain Kirk Cousins that he's going to be an elite type QB because I think we all will agree that Brett Favre was pretty special and I don't recall that at any time, even though Brett threw a lot of interceptions, he was considered an interception machine like we have here in Captain Kirk Cousins

Peyton Manning has thrown 7 interceptions this season - why is he not thrown into the mix and considered AS CAPTAIN KIRK IS to be a QB that throws too many interceptions?

I just want to give Captain Kirk the credit that he deserves - he's really good at this ...

All I said was I see similarities between Kirk and Favre. I also see similarities between Kirk and Elway. He started his career in similar fashion. Obviously (to steal a "Shanahanism") there are major differences as well. Kirk doesn't possess the arm strength of either Favre or Elway. Kirk doesn't possess the athleticism of Elway for certain. He runs so little he may not even equal Peyton Manning in that department. The only way I can explain things at present is "The jury is still out." It just seems like the site is full of radicals and reactionaries who want to go from one extreme to another. One game he's the Redskins lord and savior and the next there are shouts of "Crucify him!" Let's see what happens the next eleven games. I wasn't expecting this team to do anything this season anyway. They've been competitive and even exciting at times. They've already exceeded my expectations for a team in complete rebuild. Let's see how much progress Kirk and others make over the course of the full season. Then we can determine whether or not he should be crucified. We already know Scot McCloughan will be looking for quarterbacks. He has, at most, one who will be on the roster next season.

[SkinsJock]

fair enough - I am OBVIOUSLY very disappointed in the way this past game went - I don't advocate any changes at QB at this time but Captain Kirk needs a lot more help from others especially his coaches and other players on offense

I look for better stuff in the next few games - HOWEVER - Captain Kirk is not going to be a very good NFL QB if he keeps turning the ball over

[DarthMonk]

I didn't say we should have won. I said we hoped for a win. I did not understand the 2 point conversion try then and still do not understand it. Yes, the kick after the score is more difficult but the percentage of those being made is far more than the percentage of the 2 point conversions being made. It almost looked like Gruden was going to try it to show the Falcons up. We are 2 - 3 and have shown improvements. However, I would not be surprised to see Gruden gone at the end of the season regardless of what Cousins does. Gruden has made to many bad decisions in the first five games. I can't even credit him with the change in culture. That seems to be Scott M's doing. I was one of those that was hoping for Gruden to be selected and the HC. Seeing him now, I am not impressed.

For what it's worth you said we WOULD have won. I didn't want to go for two then either. Having said that I am not pinning this loss on Gruden because of that decision.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I'm much more discouraged by the inaccurate passes, missing the open men, and lack of a deep ball. DIax isn't why we aren't seeing the deep ball, RossDaBoss has wheels too.. Kirk has been increasingly inaccurate, and seems to be lacking in arm strength more and more. If his noodle arm doesn't improve, I think Colt gives us a better chance to win... Kirk can manage but doesn't do as well when he has to lead. Colt at least has some fire in his belly.
*the fg drive with no time left was pretty... But ultimately a sad waste

[Deadskins]

Brett Favre - are you effing kidding me - what I don't see is fans saying "Brett Favre is a turnover machine like Kirk Cousin" - WHY IS THAT?

Favre threw 336 interceptions in his 20 year career, an average of 16.8 per season, or over 1 per game. He also led his team to a number of comebacks. What break do you want given?

It's just amazing to me that Brett Favre does not have a reputation for being an interception machine - or does he?

Yes, he did. He is the all-time NFL leader in INTs. Actually, it was Sean Taylor who got the go-ahead INT.

[StorminMormon86]

I'm much more discouraged by the inaccurate passes, missing the open men, and lack of a deep ball. DIax isn't why we aren't seeing the deep ball, RossDaBoss has wheels too.. Kirk has been increasingly inaccurate, and seems to be lacking in arm strength more and more. If his noodle arm doesn't improve, I think Colt gives us a better chance to win... Kirk can manage but doesn't do as well when he has to lead. Colt at least has some fire in his belly.
*the fg drive with no time left was pretty... But ultimately a sad waste

Ahh yes...Colt McCoy with the fire in his belly that led us to ZERO points against the Rams last year. And who got blown out by the Colts. McCoy is a backup. Cousins is still an unknown at this point.

[SkinsJock]

It's just amazing to me that Brett Favre does not have a reputation for being an interception machine - or does he?

Yes, he did. He is the all-time NFL leader in INTs. Actually, it was Sean Taylor who got the go-ahead INT.

actually, I was aware of that - I just don't think of Favre as a turnover machine even though he did throw a lot interceptions

I just don't look at Captain Kirk and think that he should be compared to Brett Favre as far as being a good QB is concerned
Favre was a great QB and always looked like he was in control of the offense - Captain Kirk is not even close

[PulpExposure]

Favre threw a lot of INTs. But he threw even more TDs. Like I said earlier, you can live with INTs if you're also scoring TDs. When you're not scoring TDs, INTs will kill you.

That all being said, there's no one on the Skins roster who should be playing QB over Cousins this year. And please just stop with the Colt or RG3 talk.

Imho, Cousins sucks, but Colt and RG3 just blow.

[markshark84]

there is no way that Captain Kirk Cousins at the same stage of his career is considered a starting caliber QB on the same level as Brett Favre

Captain Kirk Cousins is not even close to the type of player or competitor as Brett Favre - please stop with these stupid comparisons

You want another one? Favre's 20th game was his 1st game of his 4th season. Cousins' 20th game will be his 6th game of his 4th season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FavrBr00.htm

Perhaps my math is wrong, but I believe Favre's 20th game was his 3rd game of his 3rd season...... Not sure where you are getting your information.

That being said going into Favre's 4th season he had 37 TDs and 39 INTs --- in 33 games. If you lump some of the stats from Cousins and Favre, there are similarities ---- HOWEVER, I am sure you could say the same about a number of other QBs that never made it. I don't see similarities strickly using the "eye test".... in particular, Kirk is NOT a downfield passer at this point.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Perhaps my math is wrong, but I believe Favre's 20th game was his 3rd game of his 3rd season...... Not sure where you are getting your information.

That being said going into Favre's 4th season he had 37 TDs and 39 INTs --- in 33 games. If you lump some of the stats from Cousins and Favre, there are similarities ---- HOWEVER, I am sure you could say the same about a number of other QBs that never made it. I don't see similarities strickly using the "eye test".... in particular, Kirk is NOT a downfield passer at this point.

20th game started. Your source is accurate. I've also clarified the comparison in this very thread.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I'm much more discouraged by the inaccurate passes, missing the open men, and lack of a deep ball. DIax isn't why we aren't seeing the deep ball, RossDaBoss has wheels too.. Kirk has been increasingly inaccurate, and seems to be lacking in arm strength more and more. If his noodle arm doesn't improve, I think Colt gives us a better chance to win... Kirk can manage but doesn't do as well when he has to lead. Colt at least has some fire in his belly.
*the fg drive with no time left was pretty... But ultimately a sad waste

Ahh yes...Colt McCoy with the fire in his belly that led us to ZERO points against the Rams last year. And who got blown out by the Colts. McCoy is a backup. Cousins is still an unknown at this point.

You must be the only person on earth who thinks it's unknown if Kirk is an NFL caliber starter..

I will concede that the other options at qb we have are not good ones.. it's just so very painful to watch us lose in that fashion- when the D is finally playing pretty well.

Sorry... Just sucjs