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fabe wrote:Griffin - 18 of 28 for 251, 1 TD and one crap INT call. Good numbers. Not great, but definitely enough to win. It's all on the defense and O-Line today.

While there's plenty of room for blame, this boils down to an effective short inside running game by the Vikes... and that was due to the LACK of competent NT play. Stephen Bowen, who is actually a DE, and just doesn't have the beef to anchor inside, was completely owned today. Baker was consistently pushed off the ball, and never got any penetration. There was NO anchor on the inside of our D -line, and they attacked it... everything they did late in the game stemmed from their confidence that they could and would pick up 3-4 yards up the middle. In pass defense, you MUST get push up the middle to take away a quarterback's ability to step up into the pocket. That simply did not happen. We got penetration from the ends... but NEVER in the middle. That lets Teddy extend plays... we know what happens then.

EA7649 wrote:No one is happier than those protesters in Minnesota.

I think they would be happier if Snyder changed the name, rather than being happy that the team lost. I wasn't aware that the protestors were football fans, otherwise... Wouldn't they have been IN the stadium?

So Haslett is a hero after the dulazz win. Today he just sucked.... did they even blitz today?

hanburgerheel wrote:And, any superstition over the freaking NAME is just that. The name is just a name. It would be nice of people who descended from whatever they think the name means would learn that. Mascots are imaginary things.

The team has personnel issues, it has execution issues, it has numerous issues. A word on their uniform and a sticker on their helmet are not the culprit.

Plus, it's not the name that's offensive, it's the TEAM that's offensive, lol! If you're a football fan, you should be offended by this team.

fabe wrote:

EA7649 wrote:No one is happier than those protesters in Minnesota.

I think they would be happier if Snyder changed the name, rather than being happy that the team lost. I wasn't aware that the protestors were football fans, otherwise... Wouldn't they have been IN the stadium?

Any kind of "Redskin" misery I'm sure they are pleased with!

hanburgerheel wrote:Griffin played adequate, but that last pass was terrible and it was a clutch down.

The defense lost the game... again. Not the refs. O-line & Griffin do not mix well.

Lets be fair and call it what it is.. a tough throw on the run to his left across the body pivoting on his healing ankle to a covered garçon so thete was a small window. It wasn't like the throw Kirk missed to Garçon vs philly bad..
he missed 6 weeks and played like he hadnt missed that much time.
Growing pains should be expected after the long layover, plus develpoping into the qb gruden wants for the long haul. We show flashes of that for sure.

If you think the zebras didnt help the vikes then u missed a disappointing game.

Let's look at this way - the O line cost us points - if they'd been able to do a half decent job we would have had TDs instead of FGs

we lost because we did not put enough points on the board AND because the defense did not play well - it was NOT ONLY the defense

HOWEVER - this was a good game in that we saw the return of our QB

with even a half way good O line - we're back to winning games

the defense is coming along and many will still be here - most of the O line is gone - they're not even staying as back ups

fabe wrote:

EA7649 wrote:No one is happier than those protesters in Minnesota.

I think they would be happier if Snyder changed the name, rather than being happy that the team lost. I wasn't aware that the protestors were football fans, otherwise... Wouldn't they have been IN the stadium?

I think your missing my point..
the protests and media hype are a blemish on the nfl's already stained image. A victory for the city's team doesnt end the debate but surely gives the city delight in bearing the "racist" team.
Changing the name , hopefully will be an equalizer on the field of play.Both ints were ridiculous, the offensive holding on 4th down to nullify the d holding, and its a constant every week! Missed hold for safety vs pukes amoung many that even other analysts are in disbelief about.
every team ets bad calls bad breaks.. but it shouldnt be a weekly occurrence. If changing thebnanebto the warriors helpsbin that department its onebless area we need to improve on next year.

Is Haslett even aware of the fact that there are TE's on the field? The slowest receivers the other team have run rampant on our D every game.

I don't think Colt McCoy scores 26 against that D personally.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I think your missing my point..
the protests and media hype are a blemish on the nfl's already stained image. A victory for the city's team doesnt end the debate but surely gives the city delight in bearing the "racist" team.
Changing the name , hopefully will be an equalizer on the field of play.Both ints were ridiculous, the offensive holding on 4th down to nullify the d holding, and its a constant every week! Missed hold for safety vs pukes amoung many that even other analysts are in disbelief about.
every team ets bad calls bad breaks.. but it shouldnt be a weekly occurrence. If changing thebnanebto the warriors helpsbin that department its onebless area we need to improve on next year.

Refs make bad calls = name change conspiracy. Oooh!



Good teams don't let the refs dictate the game. They make the plays when they have to. The Redskins don't do that.

The inexplicable Haslett returns. I just don't get this guy, 1 week you hold an almost 30 point offense with a veteran QB in Romo to 17 points and the next you allow a rookie led 17 pt. average Vikings offense put up 22 in the 2nd half alone. Our defense looked lost in the second half and it cost us the game. Oh, and this Shawn Lavauo dude is not an upgrade from what we had last year and is hurting us at LG.

SkinsJock wrote:HOWEVER - this was a good game in that we saw the return of our QB

Moral victories pale in comparison to ACTUAL victories.

For two weeks, being a Redskins fan is gonna truly stink!

fabe wrote:

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:The offense put enough points on the board to win. This one is on the Defense.

Yup, and the O-Line. Too much defensive pressure on Rob today.

To some extent, though, the O-Line would not have been exposed had the Defense held up their end of the deal. With a lead, the O-line would
have been firing off run blocking as the game progressed. As the game played out, the Vikings were able to apply pass rush pressure because they knew RG III was dropping back. Simple as that.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:HOWEVER - this was a good game in that we saw the return of our QB

Moral victories pale in comparison to ACTUAL victories. For two weeks, being a Redskins fan is gonna truly stink!

it wasn't a 'moral victory' - we have a future great QB in this kid and it's great to see him back on the field

pick your QB - he's NOT winning this game with this O line

NOTE: we're OK - we're not good but IMO we're better than the giants - that's a start

The pick Griff threw (far from a horrendous call, I think it was a pick) just before the half was crucial. We went from shutting them out for a half and leading by at least 10-0 to giving them all kinds of life.

Now the pick that we made on the sidelines looked good to me but we got paid back and then some with the bogus roughing call. We lost because the home team outplayed us.

Griff looked gassed at the end. Why did he fall down after the last throw? I don't think he wasn't ready for 60 minutes. Glad he didn't get hurt.

Is there any reason we should keep Haslett on for the rest of the season? The plan for Dallas was great. The plan for Minnesota was abysmal. Let's get this over with now.

Is it Haslett or the DL? Do the Redskins have the DE / NT / DE to play the 3 - 4? Do they have the players to play a 4 - 3?

That's Haslett's responsibility. He's had plenty of time (4+ years) to get this done; he hasn't. His schemes today were pathetic; especially against a rookie QB. How can we look so good against Dallas and so clueless against Minnesota?

good teams look good even when they don't play well

we are not good enough to sustain drives on offense or stop other teams on defense because we do not have LINEMEN

Haslett and Gruden can design all the plays they want on offense & defense

IF YOU DON"T HAVE THE LINEMEN YOU WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYS

we have some players but we need linemen - these are the keys

btw - don't even hint that we might have been better off not having Griffin playing today - THAT IS A STUPID SUGGESTION

GoSkins wrote:That's Haslett's responsibility. He's had plenty of time (4+ years) to get this done; he hasn't. His schemes today were pathetic; especially against a rookie QB. How can we look so good against Dallas and so clueless against Minnesota?

it's OK - don't make it obvious you don't have a clue - we already know

GoSkins wrote:That's Haslett's responsibility. He's had plenty of time (4+ years) to get this done; he hasn't. His schemes today were pathetic; especially against a rookie QB. How can we look so good against Dallas and so clueless against Minnesota?

We were a vastly different team simply due to emotion.

We were at a fever pitch in Dallas. Remember how freaking nervous and on it Colt looked before that game?



Every guy played his ass off that night.

Today, we had a chance to beat a so-so team with a workmanlike performance but made one-too-many mistakes.

GoSkins wrote:That's Haslett's responsibility. He's had plenty of time (4+ years) to get this done; he hasn't. His schemes today were pathetic; especially against a rookie QB. How can we look so good against Dallas and so clueless against Minnesota?

Haslett DOES NOT get to select his talent. I guarantee that a legit NT has been at the top of his wish-list since he was told by Shanahan to go to a 3-4. His NTs today were owned. That was the root cause of the loss. If the NT's win their battles, we win that game.

What happened to the defense in the 2nd half? I thought the defense was great in the 1st half, the corners played so good that the safeties were in the Vikings backfield half the time disrupting and reaking havoc. What happened in the 2nd half?
Norv Turner got a little revenge I guess, he outsmarted Haz. He knew how to match his strength against our weakness' and that was the differnce.
Bob played better than I expected, he played good enough to win.
Those referees must have been smuggled out of that stadium, there were some horrific calls being made.
That demonstration was expected, it is a college campus. I thought it would have been much larger than it was.

we were EXPOSED on both lines but I agree with trey - the middle of our defensive line does not have the player to do what the DC wants

Countertrey wrote:

GoSkins wrote:That's Haslett's responsibility. He's had plenty of time (4+ years) to get this done; he hasn't. His schemes today were pathetic; especially against a rookie QB. How can we look so good against Dallas and so clueless against Minnesota?

Haslett DOES NOT get to select his talent. I guarantee that a legit NT has been at the top of his wish-list since he was told by Shanahan to go to a 3-4. His NTs today were owned. That was the root cause of the loss. If the NT's win their battles, we win that game.

Interesting. I don't claim to be knowledgeable at all about schemes and how defenses work. Just as a fan watching the game, it looked to me like we had pressure on Bridgewater for most of the game. I even heard one of the FOX guys, maybe Jimmy Johnson, call our DL the "strength of our defense". Gave up some big runs though.

What stood out to me was the secondary again. I understand that they can't cover forever if the line isn't getting pressure on the QB, but there were numerous plays where they just looked confused. Several total breakdowns, just a complete mess.

I'm not one of those reactionary "fire the coordinator" guys, but I think Haz is gone at the end of the season. You heard Gruden call out the defense at the end of the game today. I think he maybe called them "embarrassing"? If he's not wanting to do it himself, he'll be under pressure from Snyder to make the move.