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dlc wrote:

nnskinsfan wrote:Kind of hard to believe people are blaming Gibbs. People complained about running the ball when in the redzone so they pass constantly and still don't score a TD. They go for it on 4th down instead of kicking the field goals (like some had been calling for -- a more aggressive call). But, some people seem to overlook the turnovers and the fact a FG at the end wouldn't have mattered if not for the turnovers. Plus the guy already made the 50+ yarder easily but a penalty on the coach lost the game? Geez, gimme a break.

Instead of half-assing being aggressive, how about going it for on fourth down and play-action. How about going 4 wide in the red zone? Simply making the correct decision and going for it, doesn't necessarily mean that he made the correct play call.

The reason why we get our butts kicked the 2nd half. They analyze what we did the first half and KNOW that it will be the exact same thing the second. We might as well give the other team our playbook at half time.

i disagree with you. the reason we lose is because we DON'T do the exact same thing in the second half. we go into a prevent offense. we didn't throw to moss or cooley in the second half despite its success in the first half.

I'll say it one more time........

It's just not fair!

RedskinjXd wrote:

1fan4ramsey wrote:

SCSkinsFan wrote:

1fan4ramsey wrote:Game was'nt on tv...What was the outcome of the unsportsmanlike...I know it was a 15 yarder and 1st down, but what play was leading up to it and what did the resulting penalty do to affect the game?

It wasn't a play at all. Gibbs called back to back timeouts to freeze the kicker which is against the rule. The 2nd TO resulted in a 15 yd penalty which moved the ball 15 yds further in from the 51 yarder it would have been. It became a chip shot instead of a long attempt.

He basically lost the game by that call...I feel like puking..on a day we could have gained in the wild card race with the Eagles losing. What this season could have been without all the losses we gave away

we would have been in the playoffs with a win

This team is not a playoff team. Period.

Gibbs was once a fine coach, but he appears to have lost it. In any case, he NEVER WAS a GM. Most of his Super Bowls were won with players picked by Bobby Beathard. Snyder never should have brought Gibbs back without a professional GM (NOT CERRATO) having responsibility for player acquisition and management. This organization will not be successful until Snyder does so.

i disagree with you. the reason we lose if because we DON'T do the exact same thing in the second half. we go into a prevent offense. we didn't throw to moss or cooley in the second half despite its success in the first half.

It could also be said that Buffalo made adjustments to slow down Moss and ey in the second half.

RedskinjXd wrote:why did we not throw to cooley or moss in the second half. did we feel it was too easy in the first half and wanted to challenge ourselves?

Our most effective weapons of the first half are always taken away from us in the second. Gibbs get out coached at half time, by everybody.

Gibbs was once a fine coach, but he appears to have lost it. In any case, he NEVER WAS a GM. Most of his Super Bowls were won with players picked by Bobby Beathard. Snyder never should have brought Gibbs back without a professional GM (NOT CERRATO) having responsibility for player acquisition and management. This organization will not be successful until Snyder does so.

I don't think Gibbs would have come back with out having a hand in personnel moves.

skinz74 wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:So all week we cry and say how football doesn't matter, Sean is what was important , so we have the worst WEEK in Redskin history and all is forgotten. It's back to the Fire Gibbs, we SUCK posts.

Sure the Skins should have won this game, but they aren't the ones who are pathetic!

I agree. I guess I expected to see less groaning in wake of the week we've endured...guess the more we learn, the more we forget. The staff, much like the players, are human beings. I didn't expect a win today, I only wanted the players to get back on the field to begin the healing process.

To hear the boos at the end of regulation made me want to vomit. I'm ashamed of the fans who contributed to that. No one is happy that we lost, but losing a family member (which essentially Sean was to them and many of us) would make it impossible to focus.

Maybe some of you should go back and read some of the tribute posts...even some that you have written yourselves and remember that this was probably the toughest game to prepare for in their lives...and move on.

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To think that someone who dedicated himself to football and the Skins wouldn't want fans to care about the game is more insulting than anything of which you claim other posters are guilty. The players week in and week out give it their all. They have talent to win. And they showed their tribute with their effort.

I just don't think Gibbs matches that effort. He refuses to change. He refuses to bet on his players to make plays. Gibbs brings a cloud of fear and hesitantcy, nothing that resembles anything #21 was about.

dlc wrote:I just don't think Gibbs matches that effort. He refuses to change. He refuses to bet on his players to make plays. Gibbs brings a cloud of fear and hesitantcy, nothing that resembles anything #21 was about.

so true... i couldnt think of more polar opposites in the way they approach the game than gibbs and taylor

RedskinjXd wrote:

dlc wrote:

nnskinsfan wrote:Kind of hard to believe people are blaming Gibbs. People complained about running the ball when in the redzone so they pass constantly and still don't score a TD. They go for it on 4th down instead of kicking the field goals (like some had been calling for -- a more aggressive call). But, some people seem to overlook the turnovers and the fact a FG at the end wouldn't have mattered if not for the turnovers. Plus the guy already made the 50+ yarder easily but a penalty on the coach lost the game? Geez, gimme a break.

Instead of half-assing being aggressive, how about going it for on fourth down and play-action. How about going 4 wide in the red zone? Simply making the correct decision and going for it, doesn't necessarily mean that he made the correct play call.


. The reason why we get our butts kicked the 2nd half. They analyze what we did the first half and KNOW that it will be the exact same thing the second. We might as well give the other team our playbook at half time.

i disagree with you. the reason we lose is because we DON'T do the exact same thing in the second half. we go into a prevent offense. we didn't throw to moss or cooley in the second half despite its success in the first half.

The prevent offense is our most dangerous weapon (to us). Actually, you may be right. I do think Gibbs takes a lot of plays out of the game plan as soon as we get ahead

I know that people are upset about the game, and to a point I agree that we screwed the pooch on both playcalling and execution. I guess I just expected that we wouldn't roll right into the fire Gibbs mantra given the emotional roller coaster of a week we've had.

People historically have trouble getting out of bed after the loss of a loved one...Gibbs and staff had probably 3 days to prepare for not one, but 2 games (Bears on Thur.) Maybe I'm not going to far out on a limb here to think his mind wasn't %100.

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old-timer wrote:

RedskinjXd wrote:

1fan4ramsey wrote:

SCSkinsFan wrote:

1fan4ramsey wrote:Game was'nt on tv...What was the outcome of the unsportsmanlike...I know it was a 15 yarder and 1st down, but what play was leading up to it and what did the resulting penalty do to affect the game?

It wasn't a play at all. Gibbs called back to back timeouts to freeze the kicker which is against the rule. The 2nd TO resulted in a 15 yd penalty which moved the ball 15 yds further in from the 51 yarder it would have been. It became a chip shot instead of a long attempt.

He basically lost the game by that call...I feel like puking..on a day we could have gained in the wild card race with the Eagles losing. What this season could have been without all the losses we gave away

we would have been in the playoffs with a win

This team is not a playoff team. Period.

Gibbs was once a fine coach, but he appears to have lost it. In any case, he NEVER WAS a GM. Most of his Super Bowls were won with players picked by Bobby Beathard. Snyder never should have brought Gibbs back without a professional GM (NOT CERRATO) having responsibility for player acquisition and management. This organization will not be successful until Snyder does so.

I disagree that the team is not a playoff team. I think the players are of playoff caliber, the coaching can be blamed for all of the the leads we've let go this year. It's a shame we have the talent and not the coaching. I hope they don't blow up the roster and try to start over..it would be a long next few years.

skinz74 wrote:I know that people are upset about the game, and to a point I agree that we screwed the pooch on both playcalling and execution. I guess I just expected that we wouldn't roll right into the fire Gibbs mantra given the emotional roller coaster of a week we've had.

People historically have trouble getting out of bed after the loss of a loved one...Gibbs and staff had probably 3 days to prepare for not one, but 2 games (Bears on Thur.) Maybe I'm not going to far out on a limb here to think his mind wasn't %100.

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please tell me you are kidding. footbal has been part of gibbs life for probably 50 years. don't tell me that STs death could cause him to forget the rules. for an NFL coach (and one of the highest paid at that) that would be like forgetting how to brush your teeth.

It's not just trying to take 2 timeouts in a row to ice a kicker, but it's also the fact that when you make 2 attempts to run the ball for no gain on our very last possession and at this point becomes very crucial to pick up a 1st down and eat up the clock, don't you think that throwing a short pass to a tight end or wide reciever at this point to pick up that crucial 1st down would be the right play instead of running the ball a third time for no real gain and having to punt... it was at this point that we handed Buffalo the win. We were only winning by 2 tiny points and Buffalo proved that they could move the ball effectively. Had we have thrown the ball on our last 3rd down, we would have gotten the 1st down we needed and then we could have run out the clock. BUT NO. We had to run the ball again and then punt just like that, giving Buffalo ample time to score. UNBELIEVEABLE!!

I need to be a little more fair in my expectations of how 50-some players and coaches will each deal with the loss of a teammate and, as football players will tell you, an all-but-family member.

Just like everyone else, each person deals with loss differently. Some have no trouble remembering the good times and having a chuckle. Others well up at every mention of the person's name.

I guess this was my real chance to vent over everything that's happened ... but still haven't shed a single tear over any of it.

The Campbell fumble should have been reviewed. His knee was obviously down when the ball came out. There was even a commercial break in between the play and the Bills first play to look at the replay and decide to review it. Likewise the interception off the carom should have been reviewed. Like McIntosh's overruled INT a couple of weeks ago, that ball came loose when it hit the ground. I doesn't matter that he maintained possession when he went to his back. We have to have somebody upstairs who can tell Joe when to throw the red flag. It cost us six points today.

Secondly, we had to make a first down on that last drive. A 1st down and the game is over; we can take a knee. I just don't understand the decision to run the ball there. I know we wanted to eat the clock, but if we pick up the 1st, the clock doesn't matter.

Third, Why was there no holding called on the final Bills' drive? We were only rushing four, but there were several clear fouls that could have been called. That being said, we got no pressure on Edwards all day, and we made another rookie look like Tom Brady.

Lastly, I'm hoping it wasn't Gibbs who called the second TO. To think he doesn't know that rule would really destroy something deep inside me. That being said, the second kick would have been good from 51 yards anyway.

1. Not sure if this is the week to be bashing anyone in the Redskin organization. Considering the circumstances, I give them a lot of credit for even being able to be out there competing.

2. Ok, how many of you were calling for Gibbs to call the last time out during the game???

I'm actually rather optimistic. Not necessarily about this year, but just our future in general. I think that although not quite there yet, this team is getting pretty close. They've faced a lot of adversity this year, but I think the future looks bright.

RedskinjXd wrote:

skinz74 wrote:I know that people are upset about the game, and to a point I agree that we screwed the pooch on both playcalling and execution. I guess I just expected that we wouldn't roll right into the fire Gibbs mantra given the emotional roller coaster of a week we've had.

People historically have trouble getting out of bed after the loss of a loved one...Gibbs and staff had probably 3 days to prepare for not one, but 2 games (Bears on Thur.) Maybe I'm not going to far out on a limb here to think his mind wasn't %100.

$.02

please tell me you are kidding. footbal has been part of gibbs life for probably 50 years. don't tell me that STs death could cause him to forget the rules. for an NFL coach (and one of the highest paid at that) that would be like forgetting how to brush your teeth.

I'm done trying to explain myself...those who have engaged are only isolating/scratching the surface of what I've said.

For the last time...my remark referenced the fact that everyone was concerned this week about how the team could focus in light of tragedy, etc. When we use the term "team," that includes the staff. I cannot, personally call for the head of Gibbs and staff this game due to the surrounding circumstances. Next week may call for completely different circumstances...but not this one.

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JSPB22 wrote: That being said, the second kick would have been good from 51 yards anyway.

you can't conclude that it would have been good, because he might have kicked it differently... more leg, lower trajectory, slightly different angle, etc... so we will never know.

This team is going to lose the rest of its games this year and in doing so set a record that will never be broken by having the lead at halftime in all of those games. This team has become the master of blown halftime leads by trying to protect the lead with the prevent offense.

skinz74 wrote:

RedskinjXd wrote:

skinz74 wrote:I know that people are upset about the game, and to a point I agree that we screwed the pooch on both playcalling and execution. I guess I just expected that we wouldn't roll right into the fire Gibbs mantra given the emotional roller coaster of a week we've had.

People historically have trouble getting out of bed after the loss of a loved one...Gibbs and staff had probably 3 days to prepare for not one, but 2 games (Bears on Thur.) Maybe I'm not going to far out on a limb here to think his mind wasn't %100.

$.02

please tell me you are kidding. footbal has been part of gibbs life for probably 50 years. don't tell me that STs death could cause him to forget the rules. for an NFL coach (and one of the highest paid at that) that would be like forgetting how to brush your teeth.

I'm done trying to explain myself...those who have engaged are only isolating/scratching the surface of what I've said.

For the last time...my remark referenced the fact that everyone was concerned this week about how the team could focus in light of tragedy, etc. When we use the term "team," that includes the staff. I cannot, personally call for the head of Gibbs and staff this game due to the surrounding circumstances. Next week may call for completely different circumstances...but not this one.

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so, you are saying that all players and coaches get a "get outta jail free" card for this week. i would buy that if one of our players had a late hit in frustration, or perhaps ran the wrong route on an audbile.... but to see the coach make the same mistakes 12 weeks in a row excludes him from immunity. this was pop warner stuff. and he is still paid 5 million a year to know the rules.

skinz74 wrote:

NC43Hog wrote:So all week we cry and say how football doesn't matter, Sean is what was important , so we have the worst WEEK in Redskin history and all is forgotten. It's back to the Fire Gibbs, we SUCK posts.

Sure the Skins should have won this game, but they aren't the ones who are pathetic!

I agree. I guess I expected to see less groaning in wake of the week we've endured...guess the more we learn, the more we forget. The staff, much like the players, are human beings. I didn't expect a win today, I only wanted the players to get back on the field to begin the healing process.

To hear the boos at the end of regulation made me want to vomit. I'm ashamed of the fans who contributed to that. No one is happy that we lost, but losing a family member (which essentially Sean was to them and many of us) would make it impossible to focus.

Maybe some of you should go back and read some of the tribute posts...even some that you have written yourselves and remember that this was probably the toughest game to prepare for in their lives...and move on.

$.02

What happened today has nothing to do with Sean Taylor. This was an instant replay of how many games this year? It's the same old same old, with demonstratively evident issues of poor coaching decisions.

Had the players come out and been in disarray (like last week before ST was murdered) it would have been understandable, and I think everyone would have been understanding. But the players played their rears off, and with better coaching decisions we could have walked away with this game by 15 - 20 point margin. That's the problem. These players are being let down by their poor coaches.

ALL year long, the offense has been pathetic. And to answer the claim that when we run the fans complain, and then we pass and we complain.....we are actually complaining about Joe Gibbs JUMBO package that hasn't worked ALL YEAR LONG and has probably been most responsible for at least 4 of the losses this year.

Passing with a one wide set is a JOKE and not actually changing your approach. You are actually worse off passing out of that formation. It's still the jumbo package, and now you have only 1 receiver wide instead of three. It doesn't take a genius (or a great secondary) to defense 1 wide out. That's the point.

With what is supposed to be an ALL-STAR coaching staff, we are seeing HIGH SCHOOL coaching decisions with regard to clock management....use of time outs....not knowing the rules.....poor play calling decisions.

Keep in mind that it is the coaches who are supposed to be teaching the players how not to make the mental mistakes...but how can they do that when they are making the most damaging mental mistakes?

Do you ever ask yourself why we've lost 5 games in the 4th Q ? It's because the Redskins have become so predictable, it's easier for the opposition (read: COACHES) to execute and and defense us.

grampi wrote:This team is going to lose the rest of its games this year and in doing so set a record that will never be broken by having the lead at halftime in all of those games. This team has become the master of blown halftime leads by going to the prevent offense.

I believe you are only looking for 4 words: "MASTERS OF THE COLLAPSE"

grampi wrote:This team is going to lose the rest of its games this year and in doing so set a record that will never be broken by having the lead at halftime in all of those games. This team has become the master of blown halftime leads by trying to protect the lead with the prevent offense.

am i right with this.... 7 losses this year... 6 of them with leads at halftime??? giants at home, at green bay, philly, at dallas, at tampa, bills at home. unbelievable!!!

RedskinjXd wrote:

JSPB22 wrote: That being said, the second kick would have been good from 51 yards anyway.

you can't conclude that it would have been good, because he might have kicked it differently... more leg, lower trajectory, slightly different angle, etc... so we will never know.

True, and whether or not it would have been good it's still very disconcerting to know that our head coach would make such a ghastly boner in that situation.

I'm done rooting for the Skins. I'm now only rooting for Dallas to lose. The best chance of Dallas losing the SB is if the Patriots make it there, so go Pats! I don't see anyone in the NFC being able to knock off Dallas.