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Personally, I love that our coaches for sticking to their respective philosophies and not bending for one player, no matter what the name on their jersey says.

Redskins1974 wrote:Personally, I love that our coaches our sticking to their respective philosophies and not bending for one player, no matter what the name on their jersey says.

I reall respect that too. All I am saying is put the guy at DE and let that talent do it's thing. Lavar has shown us that he is not a "true" LB and that he is a "undisciplined" LB. If he can't get it done at DE and is not willing to fit into the LB scheme, then good riddin's and cut him loose.

Right now, our current DEs are not pressuring the QB or creating turnovers so go to the "turnover-waiting-to-happen" Lavar. Now keep in mind that this guy is coming off of a major knee injury so give him a chance at DE. Give him three games just like the current DEs have had to prove himself. If he doesn't, then do what you gotta do with him if he is not willing to following the "scheme"....

I watch Playbook on NFL Network last night. Sterling Shapre was pointing out LaVars play in the Chicago game. Thre plays, three times LaVar was blocked and could not shed on the first, on the second he lost his feet, on the third he missed a tackle. Sterling gave his observation that GWs defense is LB driven and you have to be absolutly, fundamentaly sound to get on the field. LaVar has not shown that to this point. The film does not lie.

As for LaVar being a D-end. Does anybody really think a 250 lb LB will hold up at the point of attack vs. a 320 lb OT?
3rd down rush specialist maybe but not a true D-end.

SkinsHead56 wrote:I watch Playbook on NFL Network last night. Sterling Shapre was pointing out LaVars play in the Chicago game. Thre plays, three times LaVar was blocked and could not shed on the first, on the second he lost his feet, on the third he missed a tackle. Sterling gave his observation that GWs defense is LB driven and you have to be absolutly, fundamentaly sound to get on the field. LaVar has not shown that to this point. The film does not lie.

As for LaVar being a D-end. Does anybody really think a 250 lb LB will hold up at the point of attack vs. a 320 lb OT?
3rd down rush specialist maybe but not a true D-end.

Good points but let's keep in mind a couple of things:

1. Lavar hasn't played full-time and at full-speed in a year so there is going to be some rust.

2. There are several LBs and DEs that weigh between 250 and 270 that are getting it done (Lavar is 6-3 255). Examples:

Terrell Suggs (Ravens; 6-3 260; 7tkls; 9asst; 0.5 sacks)
Roderick Green (Ravens (Suggs' Backup DE); 6-2 245; 3.0 tackles; 1 assist; 3 Sacks)
Robert Mathis (Colts; (Freeney's Backup DE); 6-2 235; 13tkls, 3asst, 4 sacks)
Dwight Freeney (Colts; 6-1 268; 12tkls, 1asst, 4 Sacks)
Aaron Shoebel (Bills; 6-4 264; 10tkls, 3asst, 2 sacks)
Chike Okeafor (Cardinals; 6-5 265; 9tkls, 3asst, 1 sack)
Alex Brown (Bears; 6-3 260; 10tkls, 9asst, 0 sacks)
Adewale Ogunleye (Bears; 6-4 260; 7tkls, 2asst, 2 sacks)

Out of this group, Robert Mathis and Roderick Green are the only non-starters. There are only 3 of this group that outweigh him by 10 or more pounds. The point is not to hold a 320lb. Tackle at the point of attack but to force the RB one way or the other so that "the rest of the defense" can make a play. Since the current LBs play within the system, they should have no problem getting there. There was one play in the 3rd Quarter of the Ravens/Colts game in which Freeney blew right by Ogden (one of those 350lb. tackles) and laid a "smack-down" on Jamal Lewis 5-yards deep in the backfield.

It is obvious that Lavar will need reps at DE because he is coming off of a major knee injury. But I say put him there and get him the reps because you won't be doing any worse than what the DEs are doing now...

I am from the group here that "thinks" there is a lot more to this than a lot of the very constructive analysis that has so far happened here at THN regarding Arrington. Let me add to this analysis that I think (and fervently hope) we will see "more" from this player and soon.

The post below by roybus is IMO to the point and I am hoping there is something in this for our D shortly!

roybus14 wrote:Good points but let's keep in mind a couple of things:

1. Lavar hasn't played full-time and at full-speed in a year so there is going to be some rust.

2. There are several LBs and DEs that weigh between 250 and 270 that are getting it done (Lavar is 6-3 255). Examples:

Terrell Suggs (Ravens; 6-3 260; 7tkls; 9asst; 0.5 sacks)
Roderick Green (Ravens (Suggs' Backup DE); 6-2 245; 3.0 tackles; 1 assist; 3 Sacks)
Robert Mathis (Colts; (Freeney's Backup DE); 6-2 235; 13tkls, 3asst, 4 sacks)
Dwight Freeney (Colts; 6-1 268; 12tkls, 1asst, 4 Sacks)
Aaron Shoebel (Bills; 6-4 264; 10tkls, 3asst, 2 sacks)
Chike Okeafor (Cardinals; 6-5 265; 9tkls, 3asst, 1 sack)
Alex Brown (Bears; 6-3 260; 10tkls, 9asst, 0 sacks)
Adewale Ogunleye (Bears; 6-4 260; 7tkls, 2asst, 2 sacks)

Out of this group, Robert Mathis and Roderick Green are the only non-starters. There are only 3 of this group that outweigh him by 10 or more pounds. The point is not to hold a 320lb. Tackle at the point of attack but to force the RB one way or the other so that "the rest of the defense" can make a play. Since the current LBs play within the system, they should have no problem getting there. There was one play in the 3rd Quarter of the Ravens/Colts game in which Freeney blew right by Ogden (one of those 350lb. tackles) and laid a "smack-down" on Jamal Lewis 5-yards deep in the backfield.

It is obvious that Lavar will need reps at DE because he is coming off of a major knee injury. But I say put him there and get him the reps because you won't be doing any worse than what the DEs are doing now...

I would also add that it sounds like we will see him on ST and soon. That, or this is a lot worse than we all (or a lot of us) think.

I am watching the Redskins Report with Wilbon, George, Sonny, and Riggo.

What is Riggo's problem? Riggo was not a saint during his playing days so why is he dogging Lavar like he is? The question was just asked of Riggo, "how did Lavar make all of those Pro Bowls?" Riggo couldn't and didn't answer the question.

You know what is really amazing about this situation is that everybody is saying put Lavar in and have him attack the ball, rush the QB but nobody coming out and saying start him at DE. The only one that has hinted at that all week is Sonny, just now on the Redskins Report by saying put him in at DE to stop Plummer rolling out.

Everything is there that says put him in at DE. If the argument is that he is too small, look at the examples I gave in an earlier post. Look at his stats when Marvin Lewis stuck him at DE in 2002. If we lose tomorrow with Denver putting up points and Lavar doesn't play, it's going to be a rough week for Gibbs and GW. Do you think that Parcells and Belicheck had it easy coaching L.T., no. Also, all of those people like Riggo and others piling on Lavar now, where the H#LL were they when he was doing his thing before he got hurt??? You know, it is easy to kick a man when he is down.........

*Question*

According to TheHogs.net Salary Cap Table ( http://www.the-hogs.net/html/Team/salary_table.html ) it says LaVar's Cap Hit for '05 is $5 Mil. and for '06 its $12 Mil.

So just in case, if he is traded before the 05 deadline, would his Cap Hit be the 05 5Mil or the 06 12Mil?

air_hog wrote:*Question*

According to TheHogs.net Salary Cap Table ( http://www.the-hogs.net/html/Team/salary_table.html ) it says LaVar's Cap Hit for '05 is $5 Mil. and for '06 its $12 Mil.

So just in case, if he is traded before the 05 deadline, would his Cap Hit be the 05 5Mil or the 06 12Mil?

If Lavar were traded today his prorated bonus would excelerate (about $12.04 mil)and come due at the time of the trade. We are about 1 mil under the cap so other moves would have be made to trade him

He would have to restructure to be traded -- though he may have to do that anyway to stay.

Wow

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Everyone please stay on topic.

1niksder wrote:football check your PM your random topic discussion can be found in Smack.

Everyone please stay on topic.

thanks, i appriciate it...

Greg Williams pretty much said he's only seeing Arrington as a pass rushing end, or more specifically, only sees him getting into pass rushing packages. These packages Greg only sees occuring in long passing situations, something he didn't feel the Redskins got into too many situations.

Greg also suggested that while Arrington has improved in practice, he doesn't feel that Arrington has grasped the packages yet.

Personally, I've never considered Arrington a dumb player. This just rings hollow.

Steve Czaben, who interviewed him, fully agrees. This is just sounding less and less credible. Czaben even asked why they didn't just deactivate him.

That is actually where I want him to play. Now of course I would like to see him get about 15-20 snaps at least every game (and did he even play 1 snap today??)

I'm sorry but our pass rush can be pretty dull sometimes, and with LaVars athletically ability, all he has to do is be the Meat Head that he is and get that QB!

However, I would rather see LaVar Arrington playing LB than Chris Clemons, no matter how dumb LA is.

They're giving some more "inside scoops" on Comcast. The latest is again that in practice, La Var is not playing where Williams wants him to. The "He's practicing better" comment means that Arrington has started to play the gaps, but clearly not enough.

Truly though, this really sounds like a pissing contest, and its clear that Williams has the power to piss farther. The cynic in my wonders if our esteemed owner is somehow egging this on. Unfortunately the team is suffering because of it.

Maybe Snyder was part of some occult and though the world was going to end by 2006.

skinsfanno9 wrote:Truly though, this really sounds like a pissing contest, and its clear that Williams has the power to piss farther.

Sad

but true





just passin thru..........

I am listening to 980 and Jake calling him a "one-play" wonder. Where was this talk years ago??? Where was all of this talk last year before he got hurt. He was starting in this "system" and everything was fine until he got hurt.....

Someone please tell me how much of a scheme is there to playing DE????

You know what, just deactivate the guy and move on. Let somebody else pick him up and find a way to use his "undiscipline" to their advantage. You know, Jake and everybody else is acting like this guy is an uncoachable bum.

I am tired of all of the contridication on behalf of the Redskins organization, specifically the coaching staff when dealing with Lavar. Like I said before, where was all of this talk about him last year before he got hurt, playing in this "system"??????

Hey Roybus have you ever coached Lavar?? How would you know that he isn't an uncoachable bum then??

NikiH wrote:Hey Roybus have you ever coached Lavar?? How would you know that he isn't an uncoachable bum then??

How would you know that he is?

Last night on the Redskin's report George Michaels said that when he and Sonny sat down with Marvin Lewis a while back the first thing he said to them was "Do you think it's fun coaching Lavar Arrington, because it's not!" So that was a statement from someone who HAS coached him. I'm basing my statement on fact, what's everyone else basing theirs on.

NikiH wrote:Last night on the Redskin's report George Michaels said that when he and Sonny sat down with Marvin Lewis a while back the first thing he said to them was "Do you think it's fun coaching Lavar Arrington, because it's not!" So that was a statement from someone who HAS coached him. I'm basing my statement on fact, what's everyone else basing theirs on.

I don't know. I just don't care if he is hard to coach. Coach him up, get him in the game, and let him reek havoc.

KPrince1975 wrote:

NikiH wrote:Last night on the Redskin's report George Michaels said that when he and Sonny sat down with Marvin Lewis a while back the first thing he said to them was "Do you think it's fun coaching Lavar Arrington, because it's not!" So that was a statement from someone who HAS coached him. I'm basing my statement on fact, what's everyone else basing theirs on.

I don't know. I just don't care if he is hard to coach. Coach him up, get him in the game, and let him reek havoc.

Sometimes it's not that easy. Especially when the havoc can be reeked on his own team.

We need a pass rusher, just like always, why can they put him into a 3 point and place hime an the end. I mean if you not going to use him at LB, put him DE, another Julius Peppers in the making.

Jake wrote:

KPrince1975 wrote:

NikiH wrote:Last night on the Redskin's report George Michaels said that when he and Sonny sat down with Marvin Lewis a while back the first thing he said to them was "Do you think it's fun coaching Lavar Arrington, because it's not!" So that was a statement from someone who HAS coached him. I'm basing my statement on fact, what's everyone else basing theirs on.

I don't know. I just don't care if he is hard to coach. Coach him up, get him in the game, and let him reek havoc.

Sometimes it's not that easy. Especially when the havoc can be reeked on his own team.

I endorse this thread 100% Lavar is not a cog that can simply plug in and have the machine work.