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riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:

riggofan wrote:I predict he will get the exclusive franchise tag today.

What makes you say that

They don't call me Football Nostradamus for nothing.

Football Nostradamus, will Kirk Cousins be traded or sign long term deal?

elprez19 wrote:Football Nostradamus, will Kirk Cousins be traded or sign long term deal?

elprez19 wrote:

riggofan wrote:They don't call me Football Nostradamus for nothing.

Football Nostradamus, will Kirk Cousins be traded or sign long term deal?

Maybe.

Interesting stats I didn't know. He has good charts too.

"the Redskins played the #1 hardest schedule of Ds last year, #2 hardest pass Ds, #1 hardest red zone Ds & #4 hardest pass rush Ds."


https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/statu ... 2517395456

riggofan wrote:Interesting stats I didn't know. He has good charts too.

"the Redskins played the #1 hardest schedule of Ds last year, #2 hardest pass Ds, #1 hardest red zone Ds & #4 hardest pass rush Ds."


https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/statu ... 2517395456

We are going to be hating life as fans if the front office lets Cousins get away

we don't want to let Cousins get away but we seem to have a FO that doesn't want to pay him too much money either - oh well

SkinsJock wrote:we don't want to let Cousins get away but we seem to have a FO that doesn't want to pay him too much money either - oh well

They're about to pay him $44m for two years. Its already too much money.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:we don't want to let Cousins get away but we seem to have a FO that doesn't want to pay him too much money either - oh well

They're about to pay him $44m for two years. Its already too much money.

not really ...

1 - it's not too much money, it's what Cousins 'earned' by not signing for less than he thought he was worth and taking a chance - actually, we could end up paying him more than $44M for last year + this year - this FO made a mistake and Cousins is going to benefit from that

2 - if this FO does not think he's worth $44M for 2 years, they are not paying it - they will make a trade before they do that

I used to be concerned that Cousins contract/deal might affect our being able to pay other players - that's not going to happen because this FO is not paying any player 'too much money' PLUS, as DM pointed out, there's plenty of money available

My guess:

(1) Cousins refuses any long team deal with Snyder's management team.

(2) Cousins plays out his contract, happy with the money he made in 2016/17 and will make in 2017/18.

(3) Cousins' 207/18 salary becomes the starting-point next year when he negotiates a multi-year deal

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:we don't want to let Cousins get away but we seem to have a FO that doesn't want to pay him too much money either - oh well

They're about to pay him $44m for two years. Its already too much money.

not really ...

1 - it's not too much money, it's what Cousins 'earned' by not signing for less than he thought he was worth and taking a chance - actually, we could end up paying him more than $44M for last year + this year - this FO made a mistake and Cousins is going to benefit from that

2 - if this FO does not think he's worth $44M for 2 years, they are not paying it - they will make a trade before they do that

Its too much money because we're going to pay him more than we needed to. You can rationalize it all you want, the math is always going to be the same. 6 years/$100m would have been a better deal than 2 years/$44m.

welch wrote:(1) Cousins refuses any long team deal with Snyder's management team.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Would you agree that there was come weirdness between Cousins and McCloughan this year? How you like me now and all that?

Its just as possible that Cousins feels better about dealing with Allen/Gruden. (Just throwing it out here. I have no idea.)

riggofan wrote:

welch wrote:(1) Cousins refuses any long team deal with Snyder's management team.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Would you agree that there was come weirdness between Cousins and McCloughan this year? How you like me now and all that?

Its just as possible that Cousins feels better about dealing with Allen/Gruden. (Just throwing it out here. I have no idea.)

If it were me, the whole "how do you like me now" head rub thing shows more of a closeness with Scot than discord. If I were in the position and I didn't like someone or proved them wrong, I wouldn't go up and rub their head and make a smart-@ss remark. I'd just stare at them with the biggest F#$% you face I could. The guys I like --- yeah, I would have done the head rub type thing (or something akin) as an "in your face" deal because I have a good relationship with them and know they would be happy for me..... so it is more of a celebration than a redemption type thing. It's typical "dude culture" ---- you are more of a dick to your friends than anyone else.

Here, I think that was the case. I think Cousins looks at Scot as being on "his side". That is why he did that. But again, I have no idea, just my guess.

markshark84 wrote:Here, I think that was the case. I think Cousins looks at Scot as being on "his side". That is why he did that. But again, I have no idea, just my guess.

+1. Yeah I wouldn't discount your guess either. Its impossible to know from the little bit we see.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:They're about to pay him $44m for two years. Its already too much money.

not really ...

1 - it's not too much money, it's what Cousins 'earned' by not signing for less than he thought he was worth and taking a chance - actually, we could end up paying him more than $44M for last year + this year - this FO made a mistake and Cousins is going to benefit from that

2 - if this FO does not think he's worth $44M for 2 years, they are not paying it - they will make a trade before they do that

Its too much money because we're going to pay him more than we needed to. You can rationalize it all you want, the math is always going to be the same. 6 years/$100m would have been a better deal than 2 years/$44m.

WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA - reminds me of the Democrats last November

there are way too many people that worry about things or harp on STUFF that they can't do anything about - it's done, it's past, get over it and move on for crying out loud - IF this franchise is going to have any chance at getting better they have to learn from their mistakes and make the best of what we have

Both Cousins and the Redskins are working on a long term deal - If they can't, they will trade Cousins, he's not playing here for 1 season

AND

if the right guys aren't in charge of this FO, it makes no difference, because Cousins will NOT sign here and he shouldn't

SkinsJock wrote:WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA - reminds me of the Democrats last November

there are way too many people that worry about things or harp on STUFF that they can't do anything about - it's done, it's past, get over it and move on for crying out loud - IF this franchise is going to have any chance at getting better they have to learn from their mistakes and make the best of what we have

Both Cousins and the Redskins are working on a long term deal - If they can't, they will trade Cousins, he's not playing here for 1 season

AND

if the right guys aren't in charge of this FO, it makes no difference, because Cousins will NOT sign here and he shouldn't

Awesome word salad. You have a knack for typing.

I'm getting concerned that Cousins might not sign a long term deal ... not good, but that's the way it goes here

July 17th is a month away ... it really doesn't matter if they sign Cousins to a long term deal or not as long as the guys making the decisions (about who coaches and plays here) remain in place - a sports franchise success is not defined by how good the players or the coaches are but by the guys that decide who those players and coaches are

this franchise has no hope for success with Dan Snyder being involved with who plays and coaches here

Well I just don't see this happening this season. But I don't think Snyder is the reason. I think this revolves around BA and his thoughts​ around the worth of KC.....and KC himself as I still think he holds some hard feelings toward the organization for real and/or perceived slights.

So I think this football will be punted into next offseason.

Dan Snyder may not be "the reason" for the lack of success here but he's a big part of it ...

If we had the NE Patriots players and coaches with our FO and owner it wouldn't take long for it to all fall apart

IDK Jock....seems to me that since Vinny the idiot was let go....Snyder has tried to assembly a FO that is more football-centric. Sure there have been setbacks....but heck, if we are going to blame Snyder for the failings of the team since he took over, then we also must credit him for the success of back to back winning seasons over the past 2 campaigns. Also I would argue that the team is on a upswing.....

So I am not sure that Dan is driving the bus on the KC negotiations....or just letting his trusted employees like Allen and Schaeffer.....handle affairs as they see fit. I.E. football folks. I think that is one reason why Dan was rumored to have become more involved in these discussions a week or so ago. That and the reported low ball offers from the Skins organization. Winning the deal....that sounds like BA to me.

At the end of the day, there are some in the FO at Redskins park that do not feel KC is worth the money on a LTD he is requesting....yet we have just paid him 19.95 mil and 24+ mil for each year of service. And according to BA.....we may tag him a third time next season. That just makes no sense.....and I am sure no one expects us to exercise another tag on KC next year.

Also...think KC has had his pride dented some since coming here. And these "negotiations" have not helped at all. As a result, I think he is more inflexible on a contract.....and knows that if we do not pony up in the ballpark of what his peer group would get....then it is a no brainer from his POV. He will wait and someone else surely will next season.

And if that happens, I will lay that disaster at the feet of BA.......

the Cousins situation is solely due to the fact that we do not have people in charge who know what they are doing ...

most people do not know who owns sports franchises that are well managed, but we all know Jimmy Haslam and Dan Snyder

we all know who owns the Warriors ... right?

Well we also know Bob Kraft.....and we knew JKC. We knew DiBartolo. We know Mara and Rooney.

Look I don't disagree that our FO has screwed the pooch (IMHO) on the KC deal....but I think there are other factors involved here as well. While Snyder is the owner, he has placed BA in a position of power over the organization. I think BA is the one who has the issue with paying KC on a LTD...even though he apparently has no problem tagging KC every season. I also think that KC does not view this organization as being behind him and wanting him. I think KC is part of the issue here as well.......he may just want to go elsewhere at the end of the day.

While the KC situation is certainly frustrating for us fans.....one cannot argue that our team has gotten younger and better since the advent of Gruden. Really things started to change with the advent of BA and Shanny.....although Shanny did not work out. We have a top tier O....even with the new pieces at WR. We have a new D staff and some young players who hopefully will boost our D from the bottom tier that it has occupied pretty much over the past couple of D staffs. We have back to back winning seasons....and controlled our playoff destiny last season when we let the G-strings beat us at home.

While I may not be optimistic about KC and a LTD here prior to 17July....I am very optimistic about this season. And to me, the credit for that would start with the owner and work it's way down.

Ladies, Gentlemen, Other creatures

I had a dream last night.. Cousins told me he'll be signing the long-term deal. The reason it hasn't been done yet is because the front office want's a little suspense and to keep our name current in the media.
He told me not to worry about anything, he'll be here for another 5 years and while he didn't promise this, he did say expect 1 or 2 Superbowl victories to add to our current 3. He mentioned how he is impressed with the new defense structure and absolutely loves Pryor since he's a tall WR and has superb hands. He did mention that he's a tad-bit worried about Reed since he's brittle but has confidence that Vernon can step up as needed.

So look, R-E-L-A-X my friends, we'll be fine.



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I'm as hopeful of a turnaround for this franchise as anyone but until Dan Snyder realizes that he doesn't have a clue about running or managing an NFL franchise, we are kidding ourselves if we think that having good players and good coaches can overcome his stupidity - that is not happening

for years Snyder has made out like things will change but the fact is, this franchise continues to struggle - fans that point to the record are not acknowledging that the product on the field did not do as well as it should have - 8-8 is OK but it's not 9-7 or 10-6 which is what the team should have accomplished

Signing Cousins to a long term deal is not changing anything and if I was Cousins I'd want to go to another franchise - if he stays here, he's just playing for money

If this source is correct, which I hope is the case, theirs an 80% chance Big Cuz gets a LTD:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deal- ... e-johnson/