Here comes the cousins talk.

[mastdark81]

Naw I didn't have a point to make was just curious. He's a little better than half the quarterbacks. A tad bit over middle of the pack according to the rating. I think if he get in top 10 and we will be in playoffs!

I think you're right about that actually. If he'd just score on his next five or six trips to the red zone, it would probably put his QBR back up where it was last year.

I think he's played around a C+ through 8 games. Which is fine. Would like to see him take 5 more chances per game for big plays. When I say big plays doesn't mean the 40+ yard pass just take more game changing type plays and throws into the endzone. I think everything he does would be fine but we are not scoring enough touchdowns given the yards we are racking up so something is not right. Offensively would like Gruden & Co. to drill in his head "dictate" and hopefully we see more Tampa games from him when needed.

yeah I agree with you on that grade. He should be a B, but it seems fair to knock him for the red zone. Just the way it is.

I heard one of the radio guys, maybe Al Galdi, make a decent point this morning. He was talking about how there was this time recently when everyone was knocking the Redskins for their third quarter performance. Like the team was just getting blown out every third quarter and everyone was up in arms about it, what is the coaching staff doing, what's wrong with them, etc; Then that just stopped.

The red zone issue might be like that. Its been an annoying failure for the first half of the season. There's no reason the team can't change that.

You right and another good thing is we haven't really gotten blown out of games like in the past. I think the bar has been raised a tad bit so now we expect to at least compete against any team.

But yes you are right we were good in the redzone a year ago I believe so it isn't like we are not capable. Overall I just hoped that the offense would carryover from last year. For some reason that never happens and this team always have to make late surges to get in the playoffs.

[StorminMormon86]

No more Cousins talk. He's our QB. Time to pony up the dough.

[OldSchool]

No more Cousins talk. He's our QB. Time to pony up the dough.

Amen! Kirk's the best player on the team and the best Skin's player in at least 20 years. I'm 65 and I can't remember a better QB playing for the Skins. I think the obvious decision for the Skins will be to have SM sign Kirk to a big long term deal and concentrate on building out the rest of the team around Kirk. We need stronger lines to help the defense and run game. If we get the lines in improved over the next few years the Skins will be contenders.

[Prowl33]

Yeah at this point is there really any question to if we sign him? Now its just a matter of how much. Mccloughan has said numerous times he is a GM that resigns his own home grown players... not resigning kirk at this point would really damage his credibility with a lot of the team.

5 more years of kirk!

[StorminMormon86]

I'm 65 and I can't remember a better QB playing for the Skins.

He's definitely the best QB we've had since Rypien.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

No more Cousins talk. He's our QB. Time to pony up the dough.

I'm sure they will, especially since McCloughan has proven to know what the hell he's doing in the draft. And free agency.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm 65 and I can't remember a better QB playing for the Skins.

He's definitely the best QB we've had since Rypien.

Rypien was good for one year when we had a receiving corps with whom any QB could have had success.

Other than the 14-2 record in 1991, Cousins' stats blow Rypien's out of the water.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... s/1991.htm

[riggofan]

No more Cousins talk. He's our QB. Time to pony up the dough.

I'm sure they will, especially since McCloughan has proven to know what the hell he's doing in the draft. And free agency.

I just don't know. Listening to the radio this AM, of course lots of discussion about Kirk. I swear the beat reporters seem to be hinting that the reservations about re-signing Cousins are coming from McCloughan. Its the money. I mean, who knows how much of this reporting is true. Some of it may just be a smokescreen before going into contract negotiations, but it doesn't sound completely far fetched.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... story.html

I just won't find it hard at all to believe that McCloughan doesn't want to spend what it will likely take to keep Cousins here. Going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.

[riggofan]

btw this is such a great article for people who have been arguing how much value to put on wins/losses for QBs.

Kill the Quarterback Win
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... rback-win/

Unfortunately, one of the dumber aspects of football analysis in recent years has been an increasing emphasis of wins and losses in evaluating quarterbacks. And if a pitcher doesn’t win or lose a game all by himself, a quarterback has even less of an impact on winning or losing, as football is inherently a more interconnected game, with every player dependent upon his teammates to win or lose.

All you had to do was watch Sunday afternoon’s game to see how ridiculous this idea about quarterbacks winning or losing a game is.

There was Rams coach Jeff Fisher after Sunday’s 9-6 win over the Jets, insisting that his quarterback, Case Keenum, would remain the starter despite a dreadful performance.

LMFAO.

[SkinsJock]

... The team will offer him what they think they can afford, and then, if they can't work out a deal, they let him walk. That's why we went with the non-exclusive rights franchise tag, instead of the exclusive rights one. If another team was willing to give us draft picks, then sayonara Kirk.

+1 - this FO is not making the same mistake that many other franchises have done
we've recently heard that many franchises have hurt themselves by not being able to afford to keep good players

this is a team game - keeping Cousins is very important but it's not as important as putting a better product on the field

we can pay Cousins a lot of money and afford to pay the other players if the Cousins camp let's it happen

[SkinsJock]

I just won't find it hard at all to believe that McCloughan doesn't want to spend what it will likely take to keep Cousins here.

McCloughan knows full well what it will take to make this franchise better

Cousins will get a great offer and the FO will be able to keep/add all the other players we need to continue to get better

In Scot we trust

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I just won't find it hard at all to believe that McCloughan doesn't want to spend what it will likely take to keep Cousins here. Going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.

The alternative is to be quarterback shopping. How does that usually work out for the Redskins?

The market sets quarterback value. If the Redskins don't pay Cousins there are at least 20 teams in the league who would take him over their current starter.

I think the media is full of crap but, for argument's sake, let's say the Skins decide not to pay Cousins.

We already know Colt McCoy is not a starter so the team goes into 2017 with ZERO starting quarterbacks.

We already know the Redskins won't be the worst team in the league or even close so they have no chance of drafting the top QB prospect unless they want to do another RGIII draft day deal. They don't. Not even a discussion.

So, while Kirk Cousins is leading another team to winning records and playoff berths the Redskins are bottom feeding and waiting for luck to come their way in the form of a miracle QB prospect in the 2018 draft. Or the 2019 draft.

Or in an even more unlikely scenario, for there to be another Kirk Cousins in the 4th round of the 2017 draft.

I just don't see Scot McCloughan finding logic in not paying Cousins, especially with the cap going up (or projected to go up) another 10% or more each of the next three seasons.

There's also the $6MM they'll save on Desean Jackson or the $8.5MM they'll save on Pierre Garcon. My guess is Jackson's not here next season.

[Prowl33]

Next year kirk cousins and Derek carr will be getting Andrew luck type money, or close to it... if Carr signs first, which I'm betting he does, he sets the bar for the cousins deal.

If I gave it my best guess as of today, assuming we atleast make the playoffs, I'd put cousins at around 5 years, 120 million, with atleast 60 million guaranteed.

[markshark84]

Next year kirk cousins and Derek carr will be getting Andrew luck type money, or close to it... if Carr signs first, which I'm betting he does, he sets the bar for the cousins deal.

If I gave it my best guess as of today, assuming we atleast make the playoffs, I'd put cousins at around 5 years, 120 million, with atleast 60 million guaranteed.

Honestly, it's getting larger and larger with each game. He is in a rhythm and I don't see it ending. People questioned whether he could beat teams with winning records. Well, this season we have only played 3 teams with losing records PITT, CLE, and CINCY, and we are 4-2 against teams with winning records this year.

I think he is playing better than he did last year. I originally thought it would be just over the $100M mark, but now I think it will potentially be $110+.

[mastdark81]

Kirk played good this game. He's strung a good amount of games together now and no turnovers!

[riggofan]

I just won't find it hard at all to believe that McCloughan doesn't want to spend what it will likely take to keep Cousins here. Going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.

The alternative is to be quarterback shopping. How does that usually work out for the Redskins?

I agree completely with you on all of this. I'm just saying it won't surprise me if the money becomes too much of an obstacle. From what I've seen of McCloughan so far, he has a philosophy he believes in and is willing to stick to his guns. Just look at the most recent draft where everyone in the world was saying he would/should draft a defensive lineman.

I don't know, man. I'm just not feeling all that optimistic about it.

[SkinsJock]

I just don't see a problem - pay the man whatever it takes to keep him here

Cousins is not going to want a contract that restricts this franchise financially and the FO is not going there either - that's just stupid

Cousins is going to get a big payday but this FO will not make the same mistake that other franchises have made

[SkinsJock]

It is possible to pay a QB well and be able to pay all the other players too - look at Tom Brady and the Patriots

Cousins will get a very good deal from this FO - If he wants more money to play elsewhere then he should do that

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I just won't find it hard at all to believe that McCloughan doesn't want to spend what it will likely take to keep Cousins here. Going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.

The alternative is to be quarterback shopping. How does that usually work out for the Redskins?

I agree completely with you on all of this. I'm just saying it won't surprise me if the money becomes too much of an obstacle. From what I've seen of McCloughan so far, he has a philosophy he believes in and is willing to stick to his guns. Just look at the most recent draft where everyone in the world was saying he would/should draft a defensive lineman.

I don't know, man. I'm just not feeling all that optimistic about it.

If I could think of another remotely viable solution I'd leave room for doubt. The options are a) pay Cousins or b) return to the dregs of the league with Cleveland and San Francisco.

I cannot see Dan Snyder signing off on taking two steps backwards. To his credit he has been patient with this rebuild, especially for him. His patience is not limitless.

If the team goes backwards from here both Gruden and McCloughan are on borrowed time. We don't want McCloughan on borrowed time and Gruden has been better than he is given credit for by many fans.

I just think the nuclear fallout from not signing Cousins far exceeds any future benefit saving a couple of million dollars a year might provide.

"If you don't have a quarterback you don't have a chance." - ForeverBNG 2016

[riggofan]

It is possible to pay a QB well and be able to pay all the other players too - look at Tom Brady and the Patriots

You've got to be kidding, right? Brady is like the 20th highest paid QB in the league. He's repeatedly cut his salary so the team to ridiculous, below market levels so the team could sign other players. I think he's on year three of a $9m/yr contract extension.

As far as I know, Kirk Cousins isn't married to a super model worth $400m.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

It is possible to pay a QB well and be able to pay all the other players too - look at Tom Brady and the Patriots

You've got to be kidding, right? Brady is like the 20th highest paid QB in the league. He's repeatedly cut his salary so the team to ridiculous, below market levels so the team could sign other players. I think he's on year three of a $9m/yr contract extension.

As far as I know, Kirk Cousins isn't married to a super model worth $400m.

Also, Brady has earned $196,157,208 in his NFL career. Actual money paid. Cousins is about $175 million short of that.

[riggofan]

I cannot see Dan Snyder signing off on taking two steps backwards. To his credit he has been patient with this rebuild, especially for him. His patience is not limitless.

If the team goes backwards from here both Gruden and McCloughan are on borrowed time. We don't want McCloughan on borrowed time and Gruden has been better than he is given credit for by many fans.

I just think the nuclear fallout from not signing Cousins far exceeds any future benefit saving a couple of million dollars a year might provide.

Its so weird to think, but would be funny if you were right about Snyder on this one.

I hope it all works out. I'm hoping they pay Cousins and focus on building the defense through the draft.

[Prowl33]

I just won't find it hard at all to believe that McCloughan doesn't want to spend what it will likely take to keep Cousins here. Going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.

The alternative is to be quarterback shopping. How does that usually work out for the Redskins?

I agree completely with you on all of this. I'm just saying it won't surprise me if the money becomes too much of an obstacle. From what I've seen of McCloughan so far, he has a philosophy he believes in and is willing to stick to his guns. Just look at the most recent draft where everyone in the world was saying he would/should draft a defensive lineman.

I don't know, man. I'm just not feeling all that optimistic about it.

Yes but he has also said he believes in resigning his own players to 2ND and 3Rd contracts and wants people that are grown within the team

[riggofan]

Yes but he has also said he believes in resigning his own players to 2ND and 3Rd contracts and wants people that are grown within the team

True! Kirk is not Scot's player though.

[SkinsJock]

I cannot see Dan Snyder signing off on taking two steps backwards. To his credit he has been patient with this rebuild, especially for him. His patience is not limitless. If the team goes backwards from here both Gruden and McCloughan are on borrowed time. We don't want McCloughan on borrowed time and Gruden has been better than he is given credit for by many fans. I just think the nuclear fallout from not signing Cousins far exceeds any future benefit saving a couple of million dollars a year might provide.

Its so weird to think, but would be funny if you were right about Snyder on this one. I hope it all works out. I'm hoping they pay Cousins and focus on building the defense through the draft.

the FO is not going to structure the contract to 'save a couple of million dollars' - they need to pay him whatever it takes and ensure that they can pay all the other players as well
McCloughan will be given more time - Gruden needs to finish this season with 9 wins - 8 might not cut it