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Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:03 pm
by PulpExposure
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:To be honest, I'm having trouble placing any of these stats in context. If Cousins is eight yards behind the line of scrimmage and throws a screen pass in the flat to a receiver two yards beyond the line of scrimmage then the pass is ten yards in the air but only a two yard gain unless there is eight yards YAC, as in your example above, in which case it's a two yard pass completion where the ball went ten yards in the air for a ten yard gain.
I feel like I saw this math problem on my SATs. Damn that's ridiculous
And yards in the air only counts yards past the line of scrimmage, if that helps.
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:19 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I doubt that anyone sensible thinks the ONLY reason that Griffin is not playing is because of the $16M hit in the case of injury ...
well .... I did qualify that ...
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:06 am
by Deadskins
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:Did I hear correctly on ESPN980 that Cousins is leading the league in accuracy right now?
Yes. But most of his passes are about the distance between your left hand and your right one as you type, so there's that.
Well, the stats say in 2015 he's currently ranked 14th in yard per attempt. That's in the top half ot he league. Better than:
Matt Ryan
Eli Manning
Matthew Stafford
Joe Flacco
In 2014... Kirk was third in the league in yard per pass attempt. Only behind Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo.... So.... There's that.
And when Kirk hits Matt Jones behind the line of scrimmage, and he runs for 72 yards, there's that too. Stats can be misleading. Kirk is getting steadily better, and he's starting to hit guys in stride more often, but he still has his moments of accuracy issues.
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:28 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I doubt that anyone sensible thinks the ONLY reason that Griffin is not playing is because of the $16M hit in the case of injury ...
well .... I did qualify that ...
hah. I just didn't quite get it. They didn't bench him because of the $16m salary next year. Its not the only reason - its not a reason at all, right?
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:33 am
by Irn-Bru
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:PulpExposure wrote:It's better in this conversation to talk
about how far the ball travels in the air, as Y/A also includes YAC.The NFL.com number is just Yards per attempt (Y/A), not yards in the air. So a pass thrown 2 yards but the receiver then runs for 8 would count as 10 for Y/A purposes, but 2 for yards in the air. Plus NFL.com stats for Y/A include folks who don't throw many passes (note the leading player in that stat is a RB from Tennessee who has thrown 1 pass...for 41 yards).
Another factor to consider is how much of that is due to Gruden's offense. Gruden likes his short passing game.
To be honest, I'm having trouble placing any of these stats in context. If Cousins is eight yards behind the line of scrimmage and throws a screen pass in the flat to a receiver two yards beyond the line of scrimmage then the pass is ten yards in the air but only a two yard gain unless there is eight yards YAC, as in your example above, in which case it's a two yard pass completion where the ball went ten yards in the air for a ten yard gain.
It's hard for me to place individual stats in context without the game film. But if we're going to take stats in a vacuum then Cousins is either Tony Romo or Brian Hoyer. I just hope we pay him like Hoyer, not like Romo.
I'm also going to beg for an increase in the limit to the number of quotes embedded within one another. Three is forcing nearly every good replay to be manually edited.
Try poking around Football Outsiders' website. They have an advanced stat called ALEX that deals with this exact issue, e.g.:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/alex/2 ... own-passes
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:29 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote: .. They didn't bench him because of the $16m salary next year. Its not the only reason - its not a reason at all, right?
we don't know a lot, or even much at all about the deal with Griffin but IMO the $16M is not a big part of why he's not active, if any - Gruden does not want or need Griffin to play QB - that choice/decision was made before the opening game - there's no shot he's active in 2015
the point was simple - Gruden has 2 choices at QB because in September, Gruden knew that RG3 was not ready to play QB
to think that Gruden is still considering using RG3 or is making a choice between Cousins or RG3 is just ludicrous
I'm a RG3 fan - while some want to post (IMO) stupid stuff about Kirk Cousins, I will post equally stupid stuff as well - I've changed my opinion about Cousins but I'll continue to go after posters that cannot let go of their hate for RG3
it's over already - let it go
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:46 pm
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:Gruden does not want or need Griffin to play QB - that choice/decision was made before the opening game - there's no shot he's active in 2015
Actually, he was already active for one game this season. I think it was Tampa, but not sure. Not that he was going to play, or will be activated again.
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:51 pm
by SkinsJock
Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Gruden does not want or need Griffin to play QB - that choice/decision was made before the opening game - there's no shot he's active in 2015
Actually, he was already active for one game this season. I think it was Tampa, but not sure. Not that he was going to play, or will be activated again.
I think your right but ... I doubt that we're seeing him play here but .... stranger things have happened
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:27 pm
by StorminMormon86
SkinsJock wrote:Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Gruden does not want or need Griffin to play QB - that choice/decision was made before the opening game - there's no shot he's active in 2015
Actually, he was already active for one game this season. I think it was Tampa, but not sure. Not that he was going to play, or will be activated again.
I think your right but ... I doubt that we're seeing him play here but .... stranger things have happened
Why do you cling to this "stranger things have happened"?
Every single (what I'd call) reputable insider has said that Griffin is gone next year. Mike Jones pretty much confirmed this in the mailbag for the WaPo today. He said Gruden and SM have moved on from him.
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:32 pm
by SkinsJock
StorminMormon86 wrote:SkinsJock wrote: ... I doubt that we're seeing RG3 play here again, but .... stranger things have happened
Why do you cling to this "stranger things have happened"? Every single (what I'd call) reputable insider has said that Griffin is gone next year. Mike Jones pretty much confirmed this in the mailbag for the WaPo today. He said Gruden and SM have moved on from him.
Oh Goody! Good for you .... I'm happy things are working out ...
I'm not clinging to anything EXCEPT to poke fun at you and your kissing Cousins buddies here ... how's that going by the way?
I certainly do not miss being in that area & having to put up with the constant BS, lies and misleading stories that you all get, ad nauseum
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:19 am
by StorminMormon86
SkinsJock wrote:I'm not clinging to anything EXCEPT to poke fun at you and your kissing Cousins buddies here ... how's that going by the way?
First place with three games left to go? Good?
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:59 am
by riggofan
StorminMormon86 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I'm not clinging to anything EXCEPT to poke fun at you and your kissing Cousins buddies here ... how's that going by the way?
First place with three games left to go? Good?
Sounds like you got pwned.
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:30 am
by SkinsJock
sorry riggofan - you haven't made it into that "club" yet, IMO - I read a lot more common sense and caution in your posts
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:36 pm
by markshark84
SkinsJock wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:SkinsJock wrote: ... I doubt that we're seeing RG3 play here again, but .... stranger things have happened
Why do you cling to this "stranger things have happened"? Every single (what I'd call) reputable insider has said that Griffin is gone next year. Mike Jones pretty much confirmed this in the mailbag for the WaPo today. He said Gruden and SM have moved on from him.
Oh Goody! Good for you .... I'm happy things are working out ...
I'm not clinging to anything EXCEPT to poke fun at you and your kissing Cousins buddies here ... how's that going by the way?
I certainly do not miss being in that area & having to put up with the constant BS, lies and misleading stories that you all get, ad nauseum
Take it easy there. You have been wrong SO MANY TIMES before. Why would this one hurt anymore than the others? I'd thought you would have been quite used to it by now.
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:38 am
by SkinsJock
markshark84 wrote: ... You have been wrong SO MANY TIMES before. Why would this one hurt anymore than the others? I'd thought you would have been quite used to it by now.
I'm not bothered at all by posters that know nothing ....
NEWS FLASH - this is a fan's web site - show me an opinion that's "wrong"
we're entitled to have an opinion and it may be misguided but it's not wrong
I'm entitled to post anything I want as long as it's within the guidelines we have here
there are a select few here that I have little to no respect for ...
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:57 pm
by markshark84
SkinsJock wrote:markshark84 wrote: ... You have been wrong SO MANY TIMES before. Why would this one hurt anymore than the others? I'd thought you would have been quite used to it by now.
NEWS FLASH - this is a fan's web site - show me an opinion that's "wrong"
we're entitled to have an opinion and it may be misguided but it's not wrong
there are a select few here that I have little to no respect for ...
And those are probably the ones that typically disagree with you, which means they're the historically stronger and more accurate posters here.
I just hope you have absolutely no respect for me --- like less than none. Honestly. I prefer it that way from the types who generally dislike others mainly because those individuals disagree with their personal (and typically "misguided") opinions.
Also ---- opinions can be wrong.
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:33 pm
by SkinsJock
^^ then I'm happy to let you know you're on the short list - I agree opinions can be wrong but my opinion of you is most likely not
Re: Somebody Said Cousins Couldn't Throw Deep..
Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:43 pm
by markshark84
SkinsJock wrote:^^ then I'm happy to let you know you're on the short list - I agree opinions can be wrong but my opinion of you is most likely not
If you don't like the fact my "opinions" tend to be overwhelmingly more accurate than yours, well, that's your issue.
I can say this, your opinion of me is probably the only thing you won't contradict yourself on......
