StorminMormon86 wrote:He will get released next year, which would be the best time for him to find a new home. That way he could find a team, workout all offseason with them, and go from there.
Depends on when we release him. It may benefit RGIII to release him early, but not be in the team's best interest. It will be interesting to see if Scot holds onto his rights until the last minute, or let's him go and wishes him the best.
It's in the team's best interests. There's nothing to be gained by holding onto a player with a huge injury clause in his contract. No team is giving up a pick for a player when they know he's going to be cut. He's taking a roster spot away from another player. He'll be gone by training camp because they don't want him anywhere near the field.
We'll see. Personally, I don't see any reason to cut him outright before the draft. Also, I don't think the roster spot is really a concern. They have 90 spots in the off-season, and if they're using one currently at 53, then I don't see them sweating the one spot then.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
The Redskins should release Griffin as soon as there is not a financial penalty to do so, that way Robert has the best opportunity to find a team interested in having him. It would also be better for the Skins to use his place on the practice squad for a player who could contribute and also finally end the Griffin distraction.
OldSchool wrote:It would also be better for the Skins to use his place on the practice squad for a player who could contribute and also finally end the Griffin distraction.
He's not on the practice squad, nor is he using the spot of someone who could "contribute", because he's not even active on game days. And yes, releasing him would end the distraction... for fans like you that don't want him on the team. I don't believe he is any distraction at all for the team at the moment.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
StorminMormon86 wrote:He will get released next year, which would be the best time for him to find a new home. That way he could find a team, workout all offseason with them, and go from there.
Depends on when we release him. It may benefit RGIII to release him early, but not be in the team's best interest. It will be interesting to see if Scot holds onto his rights until the last minute, or let's him go and wishes him the best.
I tend to think that if Gruden is retained for next year, he's gone early. And that would be beneficial to Griffin, which seems like that would be a good reason to do it.
Deadskins wrote:We'll see. Personally, I don't see any reason to cut him outright before the draft. Also, I don't think the roster spot is really a concern. They have 90 spots in the off-season, and if they're using one currently at 53, then I don't see them sweating the one spot then.
I think the primary reason is to let him become part of Redskins history and move on. He's not going to command so much as a conditional 7th round draft pick in trade value. Considering the number of teams in dire quarterback situations, to have it reported by multiple sources that not a single team has so much as inquired on a potential trade for RGIII says everything. No one wants him if it means playing more than the contractual minimum with a plethora of unlikely to be earned incentives. That tells me no GM in the league believes he is capable of developing into a player worth their trading away assets for him. If you're desperate for a quarterback, and a few teams are (Cleveland, Tennessee, possibly SanFrancisco, Detroit) and you don't even ask the question it means you think the scrubs you have are better than RGIII. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
it seems obvious that RG3 is not worth anything to anybody? OK, so let's leave him alone and let's worry about the guys that are coaching and playing - this thread is about Cousins continuing to be the starting QB and right now Cousins is not in the slightest bit distracted by RG3
looking forward to Cousins playing well against the Patriots this Sunday - at least, I hope he's going to play well
what a great opportunity this is going to be - the media is all over the "YOU LIKE THAT" stuff and Bill Belicheat is telling everyone that Cousins is as good a QB as they have played against this season
I understand that the bookies have set odds at 18-1 = if you want to make a $100 you have to bet $1,800
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Deadskins wrote:He's not on the practice squad, nor is he using the spot of someone who could "contribute", because he's not even active on game days. And yes, releasing him would end the distraction... for fans like you that don't want him on the team. I don't believe he is any distraction at all for the team at the moment.
It wouldn't end the distraction at all. We'd be hearing for the next eight weeks what he's doing or not doing with the Jets or what he said on twitter now that he's free to open up and speak his mind.
Keeping him on the roster right now makes perfect sense.
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Deadskins wrote:We'll see. Personally, I don't see any reason to cut him outright before the draft. Also, I don't think the roster spot is really a concern. They have 90 spots in the off-season, and if they're using one currently at 53, then I don't see them sweating the one spot then.
I think the primary reason is to let him become part of Redskins history and move on. He's not going to command so much as a conditional 7th round draft pick in trade value. Considering the number of teams in dire quarterback situations, to have it reported by multiple sources that not a single team has so much as inquired on a potential trade for RGIII says everything. No one wants him if it means playing more than the contractual minimum with a plethora of unlikely to be earned incentives. That tells me no GM in the league believes he is capable of developing into a player worth their trading away assets for him. If you're desperate for a quarterback, and a few teams are (Cleveland, Tennessee, possibly SanFrancisco, Detroit) and you don't even ask the question it means you think the scrubs you have are better than RGIII. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
That's not really what it means at all. It means all of what you said, with the stipulation that you will be paying him $16 million next year. I think that makes all the difference in the world.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Deadskins wrote:We'll see. Personally, I don't see any reason to cut him outright before the draft. Also, I don't think the roster spot is really a concern. They have 90 spots in the off-season, and if they're using one currently at 53, then I don't see them sweating the one spot then.
I think the primary reason is to let him become part of Redskins history and move on. He's not going to command so much as a conditional 7th round draft pick in trade value. Considering the number of teams in dire quarterback situations, to have it reported by multiple sources that not a single team has so much as inquired on a potential trade for RGIII says everything. No one wants him if it means playing more than the contractual minimum with a plethora of unlikely to be earned incentives. That tells me no GM in the league believes he is capable of developing into a player worth their trading away assets for him. If you're desperate for a quarterback, and a few teams are (Cleveland, Tennessee, possibly SanFrancisco, Detroit) and you don't even ask the question it means you think the scrubs you have are better than RGIII. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
That's not really what it means at all. It means all of what you said, with the stipulation that you will be paying him $16 million next year. I think that makes all the difference in the world.
Why would another team be paying him $16MM next year? That's an injury clause, not a salary, and one he would waive if he really wanted the opportunity to play. The reason he's still on the roster now is they are still paying him this season's salary and bonus money. Another team would definitely have to assume the prorated remainder of that in any trade. Half-way through the season that's probably in the neighborhood of $3.55 Million.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I think the primary reason is to let him become part of Redskins history and move on. He's not going to command so much as a conditional 7th round draft pick in trade value. Considering the number of teams in dire quarterback situations, to have it reported by multiple sources that not a single team has so much as inquired on a potential trade for RGIII says everything. No one wants him if it means playing more than the contractual minimum with a plethora of unlikely to be earned incentives. That tells me no GM in the league believes he is capable of developing into a player worth their trading away assets for him. If you're desperate for a quarterback, and a few teams are (Cleveland, Tennessee, possibly SanFrancisco, Detroit) and you don't even ask the question it means you think the scrubs you have are better than RGIII. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
That's not really what it means at all. It means all of what you said, with the stipulation that you will be paying him $16 million next year. I think that makes all the difference in the world.
You think? - I totally agree - only haters think that RG3 is not getting any 'interest' SOLELY because he cannot play QB or does not offer another franchise an upgrade at the QB position - the financials involved (I'm not sure it's $16M) are a big factor - Robert is doing all the right things and biding his time - he knows exactly what he's doing and he'll get paid well by someone
there's a lot more to this story IMO and I'm looking forward to it playing out
btw - up here the Pats media are building up Cousins and stating he's all fired up to come into NE after 2 weeks off and engineering the great comeback - "YOU LIKE THAT" is on the air a lot
can you imagine RG3 trying to get away with something like that after a big game and what the media in DC and the next town would do - Kirk Cousins will get plenty of attention in Foxborough this coming Sunday ...
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Why would another team be paying him $16MM next year? That's an injury clause, not a salary, and one he would waive if he really wanted the opportunity to play.
Huh?
$16m is his option year salary for 2016. Its not an "injury clause". If we keep him in 2016, we're paying him that money. If he gets injured this year or next, that salary is fully guaranteed.
If a team traded for him yesterday, they would have assumed that contract. All $16m of it.
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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Why would another team be paying him $16MM next year? That's an injury clause, not a salary, and one he would waive if he really wanted the opportunity to play.
Huh?
$16m is his option year salary for 2016. Its not an "injury clause". If we keep him in 2016, we're paying him that money. If he gets injured this year or next, that salary is fully guaranteed.
If a team traded for him yesterday, they would have assumed that contract. All $16m of it.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Why would another team be paying him $16MM next year? That's an injury clause, not a salary, and one he would waive if he really wanted the opportunity to play.
Huh?
$16m is his option year salary for 2016. Its not an "injury clause". If we keep him in 2016, we're paying him that money. If he gets injured this year or next, that salary is fully guaranteed.
If a team traded for him yesterday, they would have assumed that contract. All $16m of it.
Ok, but what does that have to do with him not getting any trade interest under his current deal? And Riggo is correct. Not injury clause. Guaranteed salary if on the roster in 2016. No team is going to trade for a QB for 8 games, and then cut.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
$16m is his option year salary for 2016. Its not an "injury clause". If we keep him in 2016, we're paying him that money. If he gets injured this year or next, that salary is fully guaranteed.
If a team traded for him yesterday, they would have assumed that contract. All $16m of it.
Ok, but what does that have to do with him not getting any trade interest under his current deal? And Riggo is correct. Not injury clause. Guaranteed salary if on the roster in 2016. No team is going to trade for a QB for 8 games, and then cut.
This became two different conversations somewhere. One was about a trade, the other was about cutting him. I was suggesting that if he wanted to be traded he would be willing to waive that option year to facilitate a trade. Then it became a discussion about how a team would have to eat the option year in a trade. Now we're (back) on the injury clause. I think we're all saying the same thing from different angles.
What I can't figure out here is why he wouldn't want to be traded to a team with a guaranteed contract? He's not guaranteed a dime here unless he's on the roster as of June 1st and we all know he won't be.
“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
Predicting who is going to be with the Redskins franchise in 2016 is pretty funny to me ...
Kirk Cousins might have a better shot at being a part of this franchise than Jay Gruden does but there's still 9 games to go ...
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: No one wants him if it means playing more than the contractual minimum with a plethora of unlikely to be earned incentives. That tells me no GM in the league believes he is capable of developing into a player worth their trading away assets for him. If you're desperate for a quarterback, and a few teams are (Cleveland, Tennessee, possibly SanFrancisco, Detroit) and you don't even ask the question it means you think the scrubs you have are better than RGIII. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Disagree with that. The fact GMs haven't inquired or attempted to trade for RGIII doesn't --- in and of itself --- mean all GMs think their backup QBs are better or that RGIII is incapable of development. Instead, all GMs KNOW that RGIII will be cut on June 1 and a FA due to the 16M option. Why would a GM give up something when they can get it for free this summer? And with a QB, smart GMs know that a mid-year acquisition rarely if ever works; just ask Dallas. They also know that acquiring RGIII would create a media circus.
This all being said, I also think many GMs don't consider him as a viable QB candidate. I also think Kaepernick's failures this year have hurt RGIII's future prospects since they are similar style QBs. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I don't think every GM in the NFL thinks RGIII is a horrible QB candidate, but I also don't think many would sign him this summer. We shall see.
We have 9 games to go - The Redskins don't have to make any decision regarding anyone (coach or player) until the end of the season - the rest of this season will be just like what we've been going through since the season began, everyone is basically auditioning to be a part of this organization going forward - I prefer to think that keeping Griffin is a consideration ...
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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:We have 9 games to go - The Redskins don't have to make any decision regarding anyone (coach or player) until the end of the season - the rest of this season will be just like what we've been going through since the season began, everyone is basically auditioning to be a part of this organization going forward - I prefer to think that keeping Griffin is a consideration ...
He's really killing the audition.
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glass half full - he's not hurting himself, either ...
IMO - Cousins and Gruden have a great opportunity and if they both take full advantage, there's zero reason to give Griffin any more time here, but, that being said, if one or both of these guys don't figure into Scot's plans, there's a chance that Griffin might ...
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote::lol: glass half full - he's not hurting himself, either ...
IMO - Cousins and Gruden have a great opportunity and if they both take full advantage, there's zero reason to give Griffin any more time here, but, that being said, if one or both of these guys don't figure into Scot's plans, there's a chance that Griffin might ...
We'll just have to disagree on this one. I don't see that Cousins and Gruden have much to do with what happens with Griffin. Scot McCloughan is going to pay RG3 $16m to play QB here next year? Based on what? Fond memories of his rookie year or blind hope? Maybe reviewing tape of his enthusiastic towel waving from the sideline this season?
I'm just kidding around there, not trying to be snarky.
SM seems to be a very smart, capable football executive. Even if he thinks Griffin may develop into a decent QB over time, that fifth year option has pretty much tied his hands. You can't pay that kind of money for Griffin now, even if the owner gives you the OK. That's insanity.
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If Griffin becomes a free agent - why does Griffin's salary have to be $16M in 2016?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
sorry, I'm not as good at this stuff as you guys are ... after this season is over, this franchise is going to make some choices - If Gruden and Cousins are the HC and QB, there seems little doubt that Griffin will at some time, be let go - but, what if Scot wants to go in a different direction and they let Griffin be a part of the QB mix here - I'm not sure that Griffin is worth anything to anyone but if Scot and the new HC think he's worth keeping here, can they not pay him what they think he's worth? Why does everyone think that he has to get $16M when he's obviously not worth that?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:sorry, I'm not as good at this stuff as you guys are ... after this season is over, this franchise is going to make some choices - If Gruden and Cousins are the HC and QB, there seems little doubt that Griffin will at some time, be let go - but, what if Scot wants to go in a different direction and they let Griffin be a part of the QB mix here - I'm not sure that Griffin is worth anything to anyone but if Scot and the new HC think he's worth keeping here, can they not pay him what they think he's worth? Why does everyone think that he has to get $16M when he's obviously not worth that?
Because he's under contract for $16m next year. If the Skins don't want to pay him that money, they have to let him go and he is free to sign anywhere he wants. What are you thinking is going to happen exactly? Griffin is going to say, "Yeah I know I'm obviously not worth $16m. Let me take $4m to stay here in DC where I've been treated like total dog*** for the past two seasons."?
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SkinsJock wrote:sorry, I'm not as good at this stuff as you guys are ... after this season is over, this franchise is going to make some choices - If Gruden and Cousins are the HC and QB, there seems little doubt that Griffin will at some time, be let go - but, what if Scot wants to go in a different direction and they let Griffin be a part of the QB mix here - I'm not sure that Griffin is worth anything to anyone but if Scot and the new HC think he's worth keeping here, can they not pay him what they think he's worth? Why does everyone think that he has to get $16M when he's obviously not worth that?
Wow, you questioning whether Griffin is going to be worth anything to anyone? I'm not commenting to rub your nose in diminished confidence in him I am just surprised that you one of the most loyal Griffin supporters questions his value.
For the record I expect Gruden to retained and Cousins to be at least offered a competitive extension.
I don't believe he is any distraction at all for the team at the moment.
I totally agree - only haters think that RG3 is not getting any 'interest' SOLELY because he cannot play QB or does not offer another franchise an upgrade at the QB position - the financials involved (I'm not sure it's $16M) are a big factor - Robert is doing all the right things and biding his time - he knows exactly what he's doing and he'll get paid well by someone 
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