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With 8 compensatory picks at the end of the 5th round, the Seahawks' 5th round pick is more valuable than I thought. Sheesh.

We just traded our 5th round pick to the Saints. They gave us a 6th rounder this year, plus a 6th next year.

Loved the #1 understood the #2 pick and it went down hill for me then. Obviously Scot knows much more than any of us but at least today I'm disappointed. I had hoped our much maligned OL would be addressed with this draft and the #1 pick should be a great addition but then we waited a few rounds for the guard I think we desperately need. When they traded down for more picks I was expecting to get a guard in the fold before scatter gunning the late round picks. I hope the Bama guy is a starter not a project. I hope we are happy with our guys but I'm a little crestfallen after getting really excited when Scot ushered in a new era picking Scherff like cannon shot it was so expected.

Listening to Scot prior to the draft, I think he had a plan and worked his plan as stated. Extra draft picks in later rds. was part of the plan, therefore, he used these picks to stock the team with extra players providing competition. What's not to like about this?

OldSchool wrote:Loved the #1 understood the #2 pick and it went down hill for me then. Obviously Scot knows much more than any of us but at least today I'm disappointed. I had hoped our much maligned OL would be addressed with this draft and the #1 pick should be a great addition but then we waited a few rounds for the guard I think we desperately need. When they traded down for more picks I was expecting to get a guard in the fold before scatter gunning the late round picks. I hope the Bama guy is a starter not a project. I hope we are happy with our guys but I'm a little crestfallen after getting really excited when Scot ushered in a new era picking Scherff like cannon shot it was so expected.

Oldschool, just be patient, you just arent gonna pick up 4 starters in a draft. Thatll take a couple more years. Scot goes with the player on the top of his board regardless of position. Filling holes can take years that way, but it ensures that 5 years from now the number of holes you have is VERY limited.

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Welcome Arie Koundjiou (G -- Alabama)

Always good to bring in DMV blood... Played for head coach Bill McGregor at DeMatha Catholic High School! Hyattsville, baby! About 2 miles from FedEx!! That's got to be one happy family.

Prowl33 wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Loved the #1 understood the #2 pick and it went down hill for me then. Obviously Scot knows much more than any of us but at least today I'm disappointed. I had hoped our much maligned OL would be addressed with this draft and the #1 pick should be a great addition but then we waited a few rounds for the guard I think we desperately need. When they traded down for more picks I was expecting to get a guard in the fold before scatter gunning the late round picks. I hope the Bama guy is a starter not a project. I hope we are happy with our guys but I'm a little crestfallen after getting really excited when Scot ushered in a new era picking Scherff like cannon shot it was so expected.

Oldschool, just be patient, you just arent gonna pick up 4 starters in a draft. Thatll take a couple more years. Scot goes with the player on the top of his board regardless of position. Filling holes can take years that way, but it ensures that 5 years from now the number of holes you have is VERY limited.

You cant say Brandon was higher on the board then Williams

RG3peat wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Loved the #1 understood the #2 pick and it went down hill for me then. Obviously Scot knows much more than any of us but at least today I'm disappointed. I had hoped our much maligned OL would be addressed with this draft and the #1 pick should be a great addition but then we waited a few rounds for the guard I think we desperately need. When they traded down for more picks I was expecting to get a guard in the fold before scatter gunning the late round picks. I hope the Bama guy is a starter not a project. I hope we are happy with our guys but I'm a little crestfallen after getting really excited when Scot ushered in a new era picking Scherff like cannon shot it was so expected.

Oldschool, just be patient, you just arent gonna pick up 4 starters in a draft. Thatll take a couple more years. Scot goes with the player on the top of his board regardless of position. Filling holes can take years that way, but it ensures that 5 years from now the number of holes you have is VERY limited.

You cant say Brandon was higher on the board then Williams

You have no idea where he was on the Redskins board.

Thats exactly what im saying. Williams was not a scheme fit for us. Too small for a 3-4 DE, too big for an OLB and not the right skillset for it. He could of played in our nickel packages in the 4-3... or we could have scherff play every down.

BPA is very much scheme based.

We got a 6'2" wide receiver...Evan Spencer!!! I hear he is the brother of Skins scout Cole Spencer. A tall target for Bob, OK.
I hope he cracks the 53 man roster.

Our past tall WRs have been busts or non-productive: Hankerson, Devin Thomas, who else...?

We could use another Art Monk...!!! (we all wish)

Can someone post a list of the picks so far?

tribeofjudah wrote:We got a 6'2" wide receiver...Evan Spencer!!! I hear he is the brother of Skins scout Cole Spencer. A tall target for Bob, OK.
I hope he cracks the 53 man roster.

Our past tall WRs have been busts or non-productive: Hankerson, Devin Thomas, who else...?

We could use another Art Monk...!!! (we all wish)

I was kind of confused by his stats at first glance, it looked like he wasn't a starter. But then I read this article.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/10/ohio_state_tom_herman_evan_spe.html

Deadskins wrote:Can someone post a list of the picks so far?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker/b ... -input:was
Round 1, Pick 5 (5) Brandon Scherff OG 6'5" 319 Iowa 6.4
Pick Analysis: "How about that? The beauty is that Washington has been looking for a right tackle. The right side of the Redskins' line is getting younger and
more athletic. Scherff is a lot like Zack Martin from last year's draft." -- Mike Mayock

Round 2, Pick 6 (38) Preston Smith DE 6'5" 271 Mississippi St. 5.7
Pick Analysis: "Smith was a defensive end at Mississippi State, but you just heard him introduced as a linebacker. That's because the Redskins are a 3-4 base defensive team." -- Mike Mayock

Round 3, Pick 31 (95) (from Seahawks) Matt Jones RB 6'2" 231 Florida 5.3
Pick Analysis: "That is a big specimen right there. Jones is a big, physical downhill guy who needs to learn patience, but he has a lot of talent." -- Mike Mayock

Round 4, Pick 6 (105) Jamison Crowder WR 5'8" 185 Duke 5.3
Pick Analysis: Crowder's height and weight are below average for the position and he'll likely compete for a slot/return role with the Redskins. He has big time punt return ability. --Mark Dulgerian

Round 4, Pick 13 (112) (from Seahawks through Saints) Arie Kouandjio OG 6'5" 310 Alabama 5.2
Pick Analysis: Washington selects another mauler in Kouandjio (Cyrus' brother). He's not as gifted in pass protection as Cyrus, but he'll move men off the ball in the run game. --Mark Dulgerian

Round 5, Pick 5 (141) Martrell Spaight OLB 6'0" 236 Arkansas 5.3
Pick Analysis: Spaight led the SEC in tackles in 2014 because of his box presence and his downhill attacking style against the run. Coverage isn't his strong suit so he projects as a 2-down linebacker for Joe Barry's defense. --Mark Dulgerian

Round 6, Pick 5 (181) (from Seahawks through Jets) Kyshoen Jarrett SS 5'10" 200 Virginia Tech 5.2
Pick Analysis: Washington had a need for safety so taking a developmental one late isn't surprising, especially since Jarrett adds special teams value. He's more of a strong safety in Joe Barry's cover 2 scheme. --Mark Dulgerian

Round 6, Pick 6 (182) Tevin Mitchel CB 6'0" 190 Arkansas --
Pick Analysis: Tevin Mitchel joins his college teammate, Martrell Spaight, on a defense that had several holes to fill. Mitchel is a career sub package corner with measurables coaches like to work with. --Mark Dulgerian

Round 6, Pick 11 (187) (from Saints) Evan Spencer WR 6'2" 208 Ohio St. 5.1

Round 7, Pick 5 (222) Austin Reiter C 6'3" 296 South Florida --

brad7686 wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:We got a 6'2" wide receiver...Evan Spencer!!! I hear he is the brother of Skins scout Cole Spencer. A tall target for Bob, OK.
I hope he cracks the 53 man roster.

Our past tall WRs have been busts or non-productive: Hankerson, Devin Thomas, who else...?

We could use another Art Monk...!!! (we all wish)

I was kind of confused by his stats at first glance, it looked like he wasn't a starter. But then I read this article.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2014/10/ohio_state_tom_herman_evan_spe.html

This guy sounds like a quality find...

Prowl33 wrote:Thats exactly what im saying. Williams was not a scheme fit for us. Too small for a 3-4 DE, too big for an OLB and not the right skillset for it. He could of played in our nickel packages in the 4-3... or we could have scherff play every down.

BPA is very much scheme based.

YOUR KIDDING RIGHT???? 6'5" 302 not a scheme fit but was taken by the Jets that run a 3-4......maybe Bowles will go to a 4-3 now....BUT regardless not to small for DE in a 3-4

RG3peat wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:Thats exactly what im saying. Williams was not a scheme fit for us. Too small for a 3-4 DE, too big for an OLB and not the right skillset for it. He could of played in our nickel packages in the 4-3... or we could have scherff play every down.

BPA is very much scheme based.

YOUR KIDDING RIGHT???? 6'5" 302 not a scheme fit but was taken by the Jets that run a 3-4......maybe Bowles will go to a 4-3 now....BUT regardless not to small for DE in a 3-4

Dont know why I thought he was more 290. Still thrivingin a 4-3 as a DE vs playing as a 3-4 DE. In the 4-3 you are getting around the edge, in a 3-4 you are splitting the tackle and the guard. It wasnt as much of a lock as him to be dominant here as you think. Plus just because the jets drafted him for a 3-4 doesnt mean they were right.

Scherff was the right choice. If he could play well on the left side, he should do even better on the right side.

The fact a qb wasn't drafted and oline was focused on tells me that Scot really is interested in Robert as the qb

Prowl33 wrote:

RG3peat wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:Thats exactly what im saying. Williams was not a scheme fit for us. Too small for a 3-4 DE, too big for an OLB and not the right skillset for it. He could of played in our nickel packages in the 4-3... or we could have scherff play every down.

BPA is very much scheme based.

YOUR KIDDING RIGHT???? 6'5" 302 not a scheme fit but was taken by the Jets that run a 3-4......maybe Bowles will go to a 4-3 now....BUT regardless not to small for DE in a 3-4

Dont know why I thought he was more 290. Still thrivingin a 4-3 as a DE vs playing as a 3-4 DE. In the 4-3 you are getting around the edge, in a 3-4 you are splitting the tackle and the guard. It wasnt as much of a lock as him to be dominant here as you think. Plus just because the jets drafted him for a 3-4 doesnt mean they were right.

Scherff was the right choice. If he could play well on the left side, he should do even better on the right side.

I don't have a problem with the pick...obviously RT was a problem last year(s). Just saying all the experts say Williams was BEST player in draft and Scott always said BPA...that's usually regardless of position. I understand the basics and that DL in a 3-4 are 2 gap players. Regardless at 290 as you thought, that's what JJ Watt is listed at on team page so.....Also realize Skins couldn't drop too many spots and still get him (Scherff). Typically #5 usually is a LT though and maybe will slide over there after Trent is done due to injuries/cap

RG3peat wrote:Just saying all the experts say Williams was BEST player in draft and Scott always said BPA...that's usually regardless of position.

According to reports, Scot had Scherff above Williams on his board, so in his expert opinion Williams was NOT the best player in the draft. Not even top 3, btw. Just sayin'.

Prowl33 wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Loved the #1 understood the #2 pick and it went down hill for me then. Obviously Scot knows much more than any of us but at least today I'm disappointed. I had hoped our much maligned OL would be addressed with this draft and the #1 pick should be a great addition but then we waited a few rounds for the guard I think we desperately need. When they traded down for more picks I was expecting to get a guard in the fold before scatter gunning the late round picks. I hope the Bama guy is a starter not a project. I hope we are happy with our guys but I'm a little crestfallen after getting really excited when Scot ushered in a new era picking Scherff like cannon shot it was so expected.

Oldschool, just be patient, you just arent gonna pick up 4 starters in a draft. Thatll take a couple more years. Scot goes with the player on the top of his board regardless of position. Filling holes can take years that way, but it ensures that 5 years from now the number of holes you have is VERY limited.

And let's be honest about this. When people say they're disappointed in these late round draft picks, they're basically saying either SM didn't take guys that they knew or guys that didn't match up to Mel Kiper's draft board.

My response to that is that we all applauded bringing in McGloughan. The guy clearly drafted according to his plan. So why don't we give him the benefit of the doubt and see how his draft picks pan out?

If we just want to see the team pick name guys or follow ESPN's big board, we might as well leave the drafting up to Danny and Bruce.

Deadskins wrote:

RG3peat wrote:Just saying all the experts say Williams was BEST player in draft and Scott always said BPA...that's usually regardless of position.

According to reports, Scot had Scherff above Williams on his board, so in his expert opinion Williams was NOT the best player in the draft. Not even top 3, btw. Just sayin'.

Exactly. I don't know why people keep arguing that Williams was the best player in the draft. The Jags went defense and took Dante Fowler over him. The Raiders could have used him, took Amari Cooper instead.

There's no question Williams is a beast. Maybe he will prove to have been the best guy this year, but just because Kiper or McShay say he was the best guy doesn't mean he was. If you don't get that, then I highly encourage you to read the "experts" opinion on the best player available in the 2007 draft:

"JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that Raider nation. That fanbase, that football team, on the practice field, in that locker room."

"Three years from now you could be looking at a guy who's one of the elite, top five quarterbacks in this league."

"The skill level he has is certainly John Elway like."

- Mel Kiper. LMFAO.

riggofan wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Loved the #1 understood the #2 pick and it went down hill for me then. Obviously Scot knows much more than any of us but at least today I'm disappointed. I had hoped our much maligned OL would be addressed with this draft and the #1 pick should be a great addition but then we waited a few rounds for the guard I think we desperately need. When they traded down for more picks I was expecting to get a guard in the fold before scatter gunning the late round picks. I hope the Bama guy is a starter not a project. I hope we are happy with our guys but I'm a little crestfallen after getting really excited when Scot ushered in a new era picking Scherff like cannon shot it was so expected.

Oldschool, just be patient, you just arent gonna pick up 4 starters in a draft. Thatll take a couple more years. Scot goes with the player on the top of his board regardless of position. Filling holes can take years that way, but it ensures that 5 years from now the number of holes you have is VERY limited.

And let's be honest about this. When people say they're disappointed in these late round draft picks, they're basically saying either SM didn't take guys that they knew or guys that didn't match up to Mel Kiper's draft board.

My response to that is that we all applauded bringing in McGloughan. The guy clearly drafted according to his plan. So why don't we give him the benefit of the doubt and see how his draft picks pan out?

If we just want to see the team pick name guys or follow ESPN's big board, we might as well leave the drafting up to Danny and Bruce.

+1

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

RG3peat wrote:Just saying all the experts say Williams was BEST player in draft and Scott always said BPA...that's usually regardless of position.

According to reports, Scot had Scherff above Williams on his board, so in his expert opinion Williams was NOT the best player in the draft. Not even top 3, btw. Just sayin'.

Exactly. I don't know why people keep arguing that Williams was the best player in the draft. The Jags went defense and took Dante Fowler over him. The Raiders could have used him, took Amari Cooper instead.

There's no question Williams is a beast. Maybe he will prove to have been the best guy this year, but just because Kiper or McShay say he was the best guy doesn't mean he was. If you don't get that, then I highly encourage you to read the "experts" opinion on the best player available in the 2007 draft:

"JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that Raider nation. That fanbase, that football team, on the practice field, in that locker room."

"Three years from now you could be looking at a guy who's one of the elite, top five quarterbacks in this league."

"The skill level he has is certainly John Elway like."

- Mel Kiper. LMFAO.

Why do you assume it was Kiper or McShay????....What about Casserly or Pollian??.....According to what reports??? Of course they will say that....Im thinking what offers were there dropped them too far down to get their guy SOOO they drafted BPA that was a need.....ala Raiders and Jaguars

You said all the experts, and I was pointing out that Scot is an expert, and he didn't have Williams in his top three. And just because Jax and Oakland drafted for need (or BPA according to Scot, lol), doesn't mean we did.

Scot deserves a lot of credit - and we had 10 picks ...