Donovan McNabb a REDSKIN!!!

[VetSkinsFan]

not a fan of this news............

I just heard omg we got Mcnabb,,, wow i like the deal i hope we get three straight superbowls... So Mcnabb goes to the Hall as a Redskins.
This trade , as well as the Haynesworth talks demonstrates that the Skins want the Rings- good moves..

we are better off today than we were a couple of weeks ago BUT we still have a ways to go

HOWEVER - the difference in having a QB like McNabb leading this franchise is huge - yes he will need some help but we were hoping that this franchise could be consistently competitive by 2012 - I think that is much more of a possibility by having someone like this as the "leader" on the field

we need to find a way to get the offense better here but this is a very good addition IMHO




btw - I totally disagree that anything that has happened regarding the players here in the past few months has had any involvement from Dan Snyder at all except to see that this is how it should have been done a long time ago - just keep in the background and enjoy the ride Dan - these guys are doing fine

That's a lot to put on a 36yo (in 2012) QB...statistically dangerous.

[redskins14ru]

This move is not a quick fix. This move is meant to complement the headcoach, the young talent including Jason Campbell.

[VetSkinsFan]

This move is not a quick fix. This move is meant to complement the headcoach, the young talent including Jason Campbell.

How is moving him to another team complimenting him? He's been authorized to seek a trade and work out on his own...

[SkinsJock]

anything we can do to get more for this worthless QB the better

there are some idiots like Al Davis out there, so hopefully, one of them with a top 100 pick, thinks that Campbell is worth it

[Countertrey]

anything we can do to get more for this worthless QB the better

there are some idiots like Al Davis out there, so hopefully, one of them with a top 100 pick, thinks that Campbell is worth it

I'll do my part. I'm posting that Jason Campbell just ran a 4.3 40. We all know how much Al loves speed.

[fleetus]

Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

I would remind you that this is a NEW FO. So the old argument is no longer valid.

Secondly, it shows me that this FO and coach have a clear idea of what they want ... and as I have been arguing FOREVER, they realize the tremendous importance of a top flight QB with play making ability and leadership skills.

Those that argue that the Redskins have no talent are just stuck in the same ridiculous rut they've been in since Jason Campbell became the QB. It's old and tired, as well as dead wrong. In the WR department, we have three promising young players, two outstanding TE, 3 proven RB, and lots of talent on defense.

These guys will get the 0-line fixed up, and McNabb will make that O-line look much better.

Anyone who thinks this wasn't one of the biggest and best trades the Redskins have ever made simply won't accept yes for an answer, and should stick to golf or tennis, cuz football ain't their game.

In one single move .. we went from having the weakest QB in the NFC East, to having the best .... there is NO SINGLE LINEMAN that could make as much an impact as this acquisition, and certainly not a 2nd round pick.

Allen and Shanahan are new, of course, but Snyder is still around and the signing of Parker/LJ and the trade of McNabb have his fingerprints all over them. It's a complete lack of patience and unwillingness to go through a proper rebuilding process. This move might make us 2-3 games better in the short term, but in a few years we'll be back in the same situation we were just in, which is trying to find a qb for the future. We wont be consistently competitive until we stop buying other people's stars and start developing our own talent.

okay, I was in disagreement with you, because I read it like some of Brad's posts. Just negative for the sake of being negative. You know, it is much easier to tear something down, than to build something up. But I digress.

I think I see your point, or part of it. Basically, the jury is still out on the new FO. They've only had a cup of coffee here, haven't seen the results of their moves, the im[pact on next years draft, the impact on team depth etc. So, yes, i agree, we should not give these guys a free pass until they've actuallt earned the respect, based on results on the field and through management.

Okay? But (you knew there'd be a "BUT") I think we can all agree that Shanahan and Allen have proven their skills from past teams. So we all feel like, these are at least football people, as opposed to Danny/Vinny. We don't KNOW that they are making decisions without Snyder, we just assume it, since they have given that appearance. Time will tell.

So far, the fallout from their decisions is minimal. The addition of two RB's has little to no effect on the teams future. This is a strange uncapped year, so these moves that might have traditionally raised an eyebrow, are just 2010 moves. We get to provide competition for the RB spot and see where the dust settles. Mostly a positive thing.

So by trading for McNabb, Shan-Allen have given up picks for the first time and they have upgraded our QB position for the near future. We may recoup some of that by trading Campbell.

Let me ask hypothetically, would you have been just as upset if they had traded Campbell and a 2nd and 4th for Mcnabb and a 3rd in return? Because that scenario is quite possible. (except JC will end up somewhere other than Philly.)

[brad7686]

Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

I would remind you that this is a NEW FO. So the old argument is no longer valid.

Secondly, it shows me that this FO and coach have a clear idea of what they want ... and as I have been arguing FOREVER, they realize the tremendous importance of a top flight QB with play making ability and leadership skills.

Those that argue that the Redskins have no talent are just stuck in the same ridiculous rut they've been in since Jason Campbell became the QB. It's old and tired, as well as dead wrong. In the WR department, we have three promising young players, two outstanding TE, 3 proven RB, and lots of talent on defense.

These guys will get the 0-line fixed up, and McNabb will make that O-line look much better.

Anyone who thinks this wasn't one of the biggest and best trades the Redskins have ever made simply won't accept yes for an answer, and should stick to golf or tennis, cuz football ain't their game.

In one single move .. we went from having the weakest QB in the NFC East, to having the best .... there is NO SINGLE LINEMAN that could make as much an impact as this acquisition, and certainly not a 2nd round pick.

Allen and Shanahan are new, of course, but Snyder is still around and the signing of Parker/LJ and the trade of McNabb have his fingerprints all over them. It's a complete lack of patience and unwillingness to go through a proper rebuilding process. This move might make us 2-3 games better in the short term, but in a few years we'll be back in the same situation we were just in, which is trying to find a qb for the future. We wont be consistently competitive until we stop buying other people's stars and start developing our own talent.

okay, I was in disagreement with you, because I read it like some of Brad's posts. Just negative for the sake of being negative. You know, it is much easier to tear something down, than to build something up. But I digress.

I think I see your point, or part of it. Basically, the jury is still out on the new FO. They've only had a cup of coffee here, haven't seen the results of their moves, the im[pact on next years draft, the impact on team depth etc. So, yes, i agree, we should not give these guys a free pass until they've actuallt earned the respect, based on results on the field and through management.

Okay? But (you knew there'd be a "BUT") I think we can all agree that Shanahan and Allen have proven their skills from past teams. So we all feel like, these are at least football people, as opposed to Danny/Vinny. We don't KNOW that they are making decisions without Snyder, we just assume it, since they have given that appearance. Time will tell.

So far, the fallout from their decisions is minimal. The addition of two RB's has little to no effect on the teams future. This is a strange uncapped year, so these moves that might have traditionally raised an eyebrow, are just 2010 moves. We get to provide competition for the RB spot and see where the dust settles. Mostly a positive thing.

So by trading for McNabb, Shan-Allen have given up picks for the first time and they have upgraded our QB position for the near future. We may recoup some of that by trading Campbell.

Let me ask hypothetically, would you have been just as upset if they had traded Campbell and a 2nd and 4th for Mcnabb and a 3rd in return? Because that scenario is quite possible. (except JC will end up somewhere other than Philly.)

I'm not "being negative just to be negative", this is just the same kind of dumb crap that the last regime did. I'm not saying Mcnabb won't help us limp into the playoffs once or twice, in the long run it will go down as a missing 2nd and 3rd round pick.

[Deadskins]

Let me ask hypothetically, would you have been just as upset if they had traded Campbell and a 2nd and 4th for Mcnabb and a 3rd in return? Because that scenario is quite possible. (except JC will end up somewhere other than Philly.)

Man, that would've made this deal even sweeter, if JC had gone to the Smegols.

[fleetus]

Brad, you know, it's not like draft picks are magical pixie dust that solve all problems and stay with the team forever. Draft picks are good because after the first 20 picks or so, they are lower salaried, younger, less injury prone players. If you can stock pile lots of 2nd and 4th round picks, you get cheap depth. Occcasionally you get lucky and a couple become stars.

But if they do become great players, they are asking for a big contract after 4 years or they leave for another team. So, New England and Philly try to keep a heavy rotation of young, cheap depth by acquiring extra 2nd and 3rd rounders.

You do realize that McNabb was once a draft pick too, right? After a few years he was no longer a draft pick any more, but rather a VETERAN!

[KazooSkinsFan]

I'm not "being negative just to be negative", this is just the same kind of dumb crap that the last regime did. I'm not saying Mcnabb won't help us limp into the playoffs once or twice, in the long run it will go down as a missing 2nd and 3rd round pick.

I don't think your posts are negative to be negative, I just don't think they make any sense. JC sucks. McNabb doesn't and he's 33, not 38. He gives us time to find and develop a QB, provides a mentor for one when we find our QB of the future and he helps the rest of our O grow. With JC, when our line provides protection JC throws it in the ground or over the receiver's head anyway. Our receivers need to develop too and getting balls thrown to them that are uncatchable or behind them doesn't do that.

This move gives us a good QB for several years, some time to prepare for the next guy and lets us develop our O with a QB who can deliver. If you have a better plan, please, speak up. But just calling this "the same kind of dumb crap that the last regime did" not even grasping the reason they did it is just unproductive.

[brad7686]

Brad, you know, it's not like draft picks are magical pixie dust that solve all problems and stay with the team forever. Draft picks are good because after the first 20 picks or so, they are lower salaried, younger, less injury prone players. If you can stock pile lots of 2nd and 4th round picks, you get cheap depth. Occcasionally you get lucky and a couple become stars.

But if they do become great players, they are asking for a big contract after 4 years or they leave for another team. So, New England and Philly try to keep a heavy rotation of young, cheap depth by acquiring extra 2nd and 3rd rounders.

You do realize that McNabb was once a draft pick too, right? After a few years he was no longer a draft pick any more, but rather a VETERAN!

Oh, I'm aware he is a veteran. I think everybody knows that. I guess I don't share your optimism that he will win a super bowl here, something he failed to do with Philly teams that were ten times more talented than our current team.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Brad, you know, it's not like draft picks are magical pixie dust that solve all problems and stay with the team forever. Draft picks are good because after the first 20 picks or so, they are lower salaried, younger, less injury prone players. If you can stock pile lots of 2nd and 4th round picks, you get cheap depth. Occcasionally you get lucky and a couple become stars.

But if they do become great players, they are asking for a big contract after 4 years or they leave for another team. So, New England and Philly try to keep a heavy rotation of young, cheap depth by acquiring extra 2nd and 3rd rounders.

You do realize that McNabb was once a draft pick too, right? After a few years he was no longer a draft pick any more, but rather a VETERAN!

Oh, I'm aware he is a veteran. I think everybody knows that. I guess I don't share your optimism that he will win a super bowl here, something he failed to do with Philly teams that were ten times more talented than our current team.

Did you even read my post? This not only isn't what I said it has nothing to do with what I said

[CanesSkins26]

Offseaon winners and in-season losers. Nothing that the team has done so far changes that.

Kind of a silly statement during the off season, when the current FO hasn't had a season here yet. What do you want? Time travel?

I don't expect anything different during the season because this is the same type of nonsense that we see all the time with this team. Burning draft picks to acquire aging veterans instead of developing our own talent. In the short-term this move might help some, but we certainly aren't going to contend consistently until this front office gets a clue and actually tries to build something for once instead of always going for the quick fix. We still finish 4th in the division next year.

I would remind you that this is a NEW FO. So the old argument is no longer valid.

Secondly, it shows me that this FO and coach have a clear idea of what they want ... and as I have been arguing FOREVER, they realize the tremendous importance of a top flight QB with play making ability and leadership skills.

Those that argue that the Redskins have no talent are just stuck in the same ridiculous rut they've been in since Jason Campbell became the QB. It's old and tired, as well as dead wrong. In the WR department, we have three promising young players, two outstanding TE, 3 proven RB, and lots of talent on defense.

These guys will get the 0-line fixed up, and McNabb will make that O-line look much better.

Anyone who thinks this wasn't one of the biggest and best trades the Redskins have ever made simply won't accept yes for an answer, and should stick to golf or tennis, cuz football ain't their game.

In one single move .. we went from having the weakest QB in the NFC East, to having the best .... there is NO SINGLE LINEMAN that could make as much an impact as this acquisition, and certainly not a 2nd round pick.

Allen and Shanahan are new, of course, but Snyder is still around and the signing of Parker/LJ and the trade of McNabb have his fingerprints all over them. It's a complete lack of patience and unwillingness to go through a proper rebuilding process. This move might make us 2-3 games better in the short term, but in a few years we'll be back in the same situation we were just in, which is trying to find a qb for the future. We wont be consistently competitive until we stop buying other people's stars and start developing our own talent.

okay, I was in disagreement with you, because I read it like some of Brad's posts. Just negative for the sake of being negative. You know, it is much easier to tear something down, than to build something up. But I digress.

I think I see your point, or part of it. Basically, the jury is still out on the new FO. They've only had a cup of coffee here, haven't seen the results of their moves, the im[pact on next years draft, the impact on team depth etc. So, yes, i agree, we should not give these guys a free pass until they've actuallt earned the respect, based on results on the field and through management.

Okay? But (you knew there'd be a "BUT") I think we can all agree that Shanahan and Allen have proven their skills from past teams. So we all feel like, these are at least football people, as opposed to Danny/Vinny. We don't KNOW that they are making decisions without Snyder, we just assume it, since they have given that appearance. Time will tell.

So far, the fallout from their decisions is minimal. The addition of two RB's has little to no effect on the teams future. This is a strange uncapped year, so these moves that might have traditionally raised an eyebrow, are just 2010 moves. We get to provide competition for the RB spot and see where the dust settles. Mostly a positive thing.

So by trading for McNabb, Shan-Allen have given up picks for the first time and they have upgraded our QB position for the near future. We may recoup some of that by trading Campbell.

Let me ask hypothetically, would you have been just as upset if they had traded Campbell and a 2nd and 4th for Mcnabb and a 3rd in return? Because that scenario is quite possible. (except JC will end up somewhere other than Philly.)

I agree with you that Allen and Shanahan have proven themselves in the past. Don't get my wrong, even though I'm concerned with the long-term implications of this move for McNabb, I'm still glad that we have them here. My main concern, based mainly on this McNabb deal, is that Shanahan and/or Allen don't have the patience to really build this team for the long-term. Short-term, this is a very solid move. If I thought more highly of the rest of our team, I'd be all for it. As it stands now, though, I don't think that we are close to having the pieces in place to compete for a SB and I doubt that we will that here before McNabb starts to really decline in a few years.

They also said on 980 today that the Skins and McNabb might wait until after this season to extend the contract, which, if true, makes this deal even riskier.

I'm glad that JC isn't the starter anymore, but I primarily want to see us start developing more of our own talent than buying/trading for other team's aging stars, even if they do have something left in the tank, like McNabb.

[CanesSkins26]

Brad, you know, it's not like draft picks are magical pixie dust that solve all problems and stay with the team forever. Draft picks are good because after the first 20 picks or so, they are lower salaried, younger, less injury prone players. If you can stock pile lots of 2nd and 4th round picks, you get cheap depth. Occcasionally you get lucky and a couple become stars.

But if they do become great players, they are asking for a big contract after 4 years or they leave for another team. So, New England and Philly try to keep a heavy rotation of young, cheap depth by acquiring extra 2nd and 3rd rounders.

You do realize that McNabb was once a draft pick too, right? After a few years he was no longer a draft pick any more, but rather a VETERAN!

You make a good pick about draft picks. Some of our recent drafts show just how hard it is to be successful in the draft. That is why, though, you see the top teams invest significant resources in scouting and why they try to stockpile picks.

Obviously, there isn't one model for winning in the NFL. However, generally speaking, the teams that are consistently competitive build through the draft, develop their own players, trade aging vets for picks while they still have value, and stockpile picks. A perfect example of that is what New England did with Seymour. Trading him for a first rounder in 2011 now gives them two first rounders next year. They knew that they weren't likely to win it all last season so they got some significant value for an aging star. The Eagles now have 11 picks in this year's draft. The Colts last season, had 9 or 10 (I cant remember which but I think it's 9) offensive starters that were either drafted by the team or signed as undrafted free agents.

Compare that to what the Skins tend to do, which is pretty much the exact opposite. Instead of trading our aging vets for picks, we trade picks for other team's veterans...2 picks for Duckett, 2 for Taylor, and 2 for McNabb. I just don't see how a team can be successful over the long term with this type of philosophy. You end up with an aging team that has a few front line stars but no real depth, which is what we've had here pretty much since Snyder first bought the team.

[grampi]

I hope McDrabb's still got his legs. He's gonna need 'em with our O-line....

[funbuncher]

Apparenlty, you guys would be OK with us putting stars on our helmets if you thought it might get us into the playoffs. I've read through these 18 pages and it appears that the fact that Donovan McNabb is a Philadelphia Eagle icon is not even a relevant point in this debate.

I thought this was the one place where my Redskins ridiculousness would be validated. is this not where grown men (and maybe 1 or 2 women, probably uglos) go to debate the minutia of every transaction, real and imagined, regarding this perpetually stupid team (that we love in spite of this) that we have absolutely zero control over? shouldn't you guys be a bit more unstable. a little less logical about this whole thing? pretty crappy when you can't even get other message board dorks riled up about this distasteful mess. I say fan the flames of rivalry. I have a thirst for Eagles blood, and I spit in the face of this idea that we need THEIR players to be good. all of you need to stop being such pussies.

[The Hogster]

Apparenlty, you guys would be OK with us putting stars on our helmets if you thought it might get us into the playoffs. I've read through these 18 pages and it appears that the fact that Donovan McNabb is a Philadelphia Eagle icon is not even a relevant point in this debate.

I thought this was the one place where my Redskins ridiculousness would be validated. is this not where grown men (and maybe 1 or 2 women, probably uglos) go to debate the minutia of every transaction, real and imagined, regarding this perpetually stupid team (that we love in spite of this) that we have absolutely zero control over? shouldn't you guys be a bit more unstable. a little less logical about this whole thing? pretty crappy when you can't even get other message board dorks riled up about this distasteful mess. I say fan the flames of rivalry. I have a thirst for Eagles blood, and I spit in the face of this idea that we need THEIR players to be good. all of you need to stop being such pussies.

Former Eagle.

[RayNAustin]

Brad, you know, it's not like draft picks are magical pixie dust that solve all problems and stay with the team forever. Draft picks are good because after the first 20 picks or so, they are lower salaried, younger, less injury prone players. If you can stock pile lots of 2nd and 4th round picks, you get cheap depth. Occcasionally you get lucky and a couple become stars.

But if they do become great players, they are asking for a big contract after 4 years or they leave for another team. So, New England and Philly try to keep a heavy rotation of young, cheap depth by acquiring extra 2nd and 3rd rounders.

You do realize that McNabb was once a draft pick too, right? After a few years he was no longer a draft pick any more, but rather a VETERAN!

You make a good pick about draft picks. Some of our recent drafts show just how hard it is to be successful in the draft. That is why, though, you see the top teams invest significant resources in scouting and why they try to stockpile picks.

Obviously, there isn't one model for winning in the NFL. However, generally speaking, the teams that are consistently competitive build through the draft, develop their own players, trade aging vets for picks while they still have value, and stockpile picks. A perfect example of that is what New England did with Seymour. Trading him for a first rounder in 2011 now gives them two first rounders next year. They knew that they weren't likely to win it all last season so they got some significant value for an aging star. The Eagles now have 11 picks in this year's draft. The Colts last season, had 9 or 10 (I cant remember which but I think it's 9) offensive starters that were either drafted by the team or signed as undrafted free agents.

Compare that to what the Skins tend to do, which is pretty much the exact opposite. Instead of trading our aging vets for picks, we trade picks for other team's veterans...2 picks for Duckett, 2 for Taylor, and 2 for McNabb. I just don't see how a team can be successful over the long term with this type of philosophy. You end up with an aging team that has a few front line stars but no real depth, which is what we've had here pretty much since Snyder first bought the team.

I think you are really leap frogging over the "context" issue here. The McNabb deal isn't remotely similar to Duckett (which was knee jerk reaction that was senseless, baseless, and inexplicable) or Taylor which didn't pan out due to a combination of injury and misuse of his skills.

Secondly, you completely ignore reality with the Good Short term-bad long term claim as if we traded two 1st's for the guy. We traded this year's 2nd which might have been a project QB that wouldn't even have an effect at all now, nor even the future.

What we got out of the deal is a QB that can lead this team to wins now and in the future ... at least for the next 3-4 years.

Maybe you'd prefer to lose now, in hopes of winning in 2018, but I don't believe (nor does it seem that our GM and Coach does) you have to make such an unpalatable choice.

This is one of the best trades the Redskins have made since they got Sonny from Philly, and low and behold, the son of George Allen pulled it off. Apparently all that fatherly advice from dad about "The Future is Now" stuck with him, thank goodness.

Everyone around the league are scratching their heads trying to figure out how the Redskins were able to pull this one off ... the Texas boys to the north of me are saying that "they are the losers" in this deal because it immediately strengthens the Redskins, while giving the Eagles another early pick. The only people that seem to be questioning the deal are some Redskin fans who refuse to accept yes for an answer, and some Philly fans who have had their heads stuck in their rear ends so long, it now feels natural to them.

The bottom line is that the there are many ways to build a team, and I think the Redskins are now focused on utilizing every tool they have to deliver a winning product using FA, Trades, and the draft.

Let me remind you how we got ourselves into the mess we're in now ... that was wasting two 1st's and a 2nd on Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell in 2005, followed by another 1st on Laron Landry in 2007 .. this has done more to set back the team than anything else that has happened over the past 5 years ... with not one of those players delivering that type of production, and none of them worth a 2nd rounder in a trade today.

[KazooSkinsFan]

My main concern, based mainly on this McNabb deal, is that Shanahan and/or Allen don't have the patience to really build this team for the long-term. Short-term, this is a very solid move. If I thought more highly of the rest of our team, I'd be all for it. As it stands now, though, I don't think that we are close to having the pieces in place to compete for a SB and I doubt that we will that here before McNabb starts to really decline in a few years

Let's analyze this "long term." We have three choices, which is the best long term option do you suppose to solve our QB problem? I'm agreeing that long term is the way to look at it. Here are our QB choices:

1) #4 pick: No McNabb trade. Now we have either a rookie or JC to start, we can't use the #4 pick on the line and our other choices are probably not first year starters. How are we developing our QB getting them killed and being tutored by a QB who sucks? Our top pick now is the second rounder.

2) McNabb: Solve the QB problem for likely 3-5 years and keep the #4 pick in the draft on Okung. The coaching staff starts looking for QB's to groom and they get to be mentored by a guy who went to 5 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl and is still young enough to be a very good QB.

3) No QB. JC, 2nd round plus, Grossman, waiver wire. They all suck and I hope you're not advocating this.

Also as I keep pointing out and those arguing against McNabb keep ignoring, McNabb is going to help develop the rest of our O for the kid we get to transition into. WR's need a guy who can deliver the ball to them to get better, and JC has proven he can't do that even when he has time.

This deal makes perfect sense and in the long term, not just the short term. And McNabb is very good. The history of second rounders is very mixed, we got a guy who's giving us a healthy transition period and is actually a good QB while he does it.

[CanesSkins26]

1) #4 pick: No McNabb trade. Now we have either a rookie or JC to start, we can't use the #4 pick on the line and our other choices are probably not first year starters. How are we developing our QB getting them killed and being tutored by a QB who sucks? Our top pick now is the second rounder.

Best case scenario (assuming trade hadn't happened) Bradford falls to 4, sits a year, and we draft olinemen this year and next year if need be.

2) McNabb: Solve the QB problem for likely 3-5 years and keep the #4 pick in the draft on Okung. The coaching staff starts looking for QB's to groom and they get to be mentored by a guy who went to 5 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl and is still young enough to be a very good QB.

2-3 years is FAR more likely than 3-5 years. You can't rely on a guy to be effective at 36, 37, 38 years old. Just because Brett Favre is a freak of nature doesn't mean other qb's, especially one that's played as long as McNabb, are going to perform well as they get older.

At this point we dont even know if McNabb will be with the team beyond 2010. 980 is reporting that Eagles offered, and the Skins passed, on negotiating an extension with McNabb before the trade was completed. They are also reporting that the two sides might wait until after this year to work on a deal.

3) No QB. JC, 2nd round plus, Grossman, waiver wire. They all suck and I hope you're not advocating this.

Not advocating that at all.

[KazooSkinsFan]

1) #4 pick: No McNabb trade. Now we have either a rookie or JC to start, we can't use the #4 pick on the line and our other choices are probably not first year starters. How are we developing our QB getting them killed and being tutored by a QB who sucks? Our top pick now is the second rounder.

Best case scenario (assuming trade hadn't happened) Bradford falls to 4, sits a year, and we draft olinemen this year and next year if need be

What if Bedford doesn't fall to #4? Now we're to the scenario you aren't "advocating at all." What do we do then?

And what if it does, here's your OL solution "we draft olinemen this year and next year if need be."

And here's what you have to work with this year: A second rounder and fourth rounders plus. So that's your plan to build the line? A second rounder not knowing who will fall to us or if they will even be a starter ever much less by the second year (as a typical second rounder) and late rounders. You're hoping our first next year nets us another OL who can start immediately. Seriously? That's your plan?

And you don't see why a lot of people would actually think McNabb is a better option then that for the reasons I stated?

[chiefhog44]

I tell you what. McNabb, even if he doesn't win one game, will help these younger WR's develop like Farve did with the WR's in Minnesota this year.

[brad7686]

I tell you what. McNabb, even if he doesn't win one game, will help these younger WR's develop like Farve did with the WR's in Minnesota this year.

I wouldn't give Favre all the credit. Those guys were first round picks and Rice is extremely talented.

[CanesSkins26]

And here's what you have to work with this year: A second rounder and fourth rounders plus. So that's your plan to build the line? A second rounder not knowing who will fall to us or if they will even be a starter ever much less by the second year (as a typical second rounder) and late rounders. You're hoping our first next year nets us another OL who can start immediately. Seriously? That's your plan?

A player drafted with the 5th pick of the 2nd round should be starting Day 1.

We could have drafted Okung in the first and gone with someone like McCoy in the 2nd round. If Bradford had fallen to 4 we could have attempted to trade into the first round, like the Eagles are now trying to do with our pick, to get Claussen. There are a ton of different scenarios that could have happened.

[SkinsJock]

I wonder why the Eagles are considering using those 2 picks to get to Claussen? could it be because they are not really sure about the 2 QBs they have now?

The McNabb deal was not a good trade for them, really - they had to do something to get some value for McNabb but this is not going to work very well if Kolb does not become a super QB