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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:29 pm
by Irn-Bru
JSPB22 wrote:I think Gibbs handling of this is genius. By excusing Sean from practice, it make Gibbs seem as if he is looking out for Sean's best intersts. And he is. But this also should get Sean's attention and compell respect for his coach (we would hope), especially in light of how Sean has handled the offseason to this point. This sends a powerfull message to the rest of the team that Joe has their back, while at the same time removing the distraction from the team during those practices. He also gains power over Sean in future contract negotiations. Finally, he lays the punishment of Sean off on the NFL. Brilliant!



:hmm:

Is there an echo in Hogwash?

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=60


;)

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:09 pm
by SkinsJock
Speaking of echoes! I'll say it again - I think JP is right and the decision by Gibbs is very clever. It removes any pressure from the team and sends a very strong signal to ST.

I hope he sees the light from all this. The NFL is going to wait and see and then decide the appropriate amount of whatever. Then the Skins will make their decision. If ST has anything to learn from this hopefully he will apply himself to the "game" and to his team and "come back" like Ray Ray did after his "issue"!

I do not think at this stage that we should consider "if" he plays for us but just hope that things get straight enough that he will be allowed to play for us and soon. There is going to be some retribution and hopefully he does some fast growing up and learns that he will pay for his mistakes in judgement.

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:17 pm
by air_hog
WshSkins22 wrote: I truly believe he is better than Roy Williams,


Roy Williams isn't even the 3rd best safety in the NFC East. I can name about 15 Safeties better than Williams.

The only reason people think Roy Williams is because he has a cheap tackle named after him, "The Roy Williams Tackle". All Williams does is hit dirty, whether it's his helmet or horsecollaring.

He can't cover for a lick, he has no run coverage abilities, and did you see him get stiffarmed on the MNF Pre Season game against Chris Brown, Chris Brown!

Sure Sean is dirty too, but at least he has "Football Talent". He can cover like a corner, play the run like a LB, and is a striaght up Ball Hawk.

The only characteristic that Williams has over Taylor is is his off the field appearence.

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:19 pm
by WshSkins22
^, thank you thats exactly what I meant

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:01 pm
by 1fan4ramsey
Being the Christian man that Gibbs is, I think he looks at this as a chance to turn a person that is heading down the wrong road back into te right direction. I really think he is thinking of ST the human being and not ST the football player. I'd be shocked if the team just got rid of him.

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:23 pm
by FiveWidez
Thank god for the Nationals. It makes all this a little easier.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:53 am
by General Failure
washington53 wrote:Yeah i really hope he turns that head 360 degrees


:lol: Those are the best kinds of character changes.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:33 am
by hatsOFF2gibbs
Redskins' Taylor Still Silent
Gibbs Has No Plans to Suspend Safety for Off-Field Actions

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 8, 2005; E07



Washington Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs said yesterday he has not spoken with Sean Taylor since the safety was arrested on felony assault charges in Miami over the weekend and has no plans to suspend Taylor for his off-field actions.

Taylor, 22, is accused of pulling a gun on two people he believed stole his all-terrain vehicles, and then assaulting one of them with his fist. Taylor is scheduled to be arraigned in Miami on June 24 on two felony counts of aggravated assault with a firearm and a charge of simple battery, a misdemeanor.

The Redskins announced Monday that Taylor would be excused from the team's June 17-19 minicamp, but is expected to be at Redskins Park when players report for training camp on July 31.

Gibbs said that should Taylor's legal issues drag into the season the team would not consider suspending him. "We have no plans for anything like that," Gibbs said. "What we're hoping right now is that Sean gets his personal situation squared away, and we're giving him time to do that and hopefully that's what's going to happen. We're hoping Sean gets it worked out for him and hopefully by the time we start the season."

Gibbs and his coaching staff have been trying to phone Taylor for much of the offseason, but he has not returned their calls. Gibbs said he has not attempted to call Taylor since this incident occurred last Wednesday, although he said he has been in regular contact with Taylor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus. Gibbs said Taylor has not called him.

While there are no plans for a face-to-face meeting with Taylor or his representatives, Gibbs said, it remains a possibility. "I've made no plans like that but I certainly wouldn't rule something like that out," Gibbs said. "At some point I'm sure we're going to get together here."

Gibbs said the team had no immediate plans to bolster its depth at Taylor's position because of his legal circumstances, but reiterated that the Redskins have been looking at safeties already -- free agent safety Cory Hall was signed recently, only to retire a few days later -- and would continue pursuing players at all positions. "I wouldn't say it specifically because of Sean's deal, but I wouldn't rule out anything at any spot and we have looked at safeties," Gibbs said.

While the Redskins practiced yesterday for the first time since Taylor's arrest, prosecutors began what a source in the Dade County State Attorney's Office called "the early evaluation stage" of the case.

The felony screening department of the State Attorney's Office will conduct a pre-file conference next Tuesday in which police involved in the arrest as well as witnesses will be interviewed to determine if there is sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Taylor committed the crimes he is charged with. Roughly one-third of all felony charges in Dade County are dropped before going to trial, according to the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

If Taylor were convicted of a felony count of aggravated assault with a firearm, certain three-year or 10-year minimum mandatory sentences from Florida's 10-20-LIFE Law potentially could be applicable in his case.

Redskins Notes: Free agent cornerback R.W. McQuarters, who was offered a contract by Washington and several other clubs, should choose his team in the next few days, Gibbs said. The Redskins have no other free agent visits planned for this week, Gibbs said. . . .

Gene Upshaw, the executive director of the NFL Players Association, spoke to Gibbs about the Redskins' reported violations in the organized team activity practices at Redskins Park yesterday. Gibbs said Upshaw agreed that one-on-one drills were allowed, but the intensity of Washington's practices is being investigated.

"We thought we were doing what we should do," Gibbs said.

"We're still gathering information," Upshaw said. . . .

Running back Clinton Portis, who has been in close contact with Taylor this offseason and spoke on his behalf on several occasions, said he was out of the country last weekend and has not talked to Taylor or any of their mutual acquaintances since the arrest. "I don't know nothing about nothing," Portis said. . . .

Bubba Tyer, the team's director of sports medicine, said injured linebacker Mike Barrow (knee) will return to Redskins Park next week for testing in hope of being cleared to participate in minicamp. Tyer said linebacker LaVar Arrington (knee surgery) is advancing in his rehabilitation, including treadmill and lateral training, and defensive lineman Brandon Noble (knee infection) must remain on oral antibiotics for two more weeks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 39_pf.html

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:16 am
by Deadskins
FanfromAnnapolis wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:I think Gibbs handling of this is genius. By excusing Sean from practice, it make Gibbs seem as if he is looking out for Sean's best intersts. And he is. But this also should get Sean's attention and compell respect for his coach (we would hope), especially in light of how Sean has handled the offseason to this point. This sends a powerfull message to the rest of the team that Joe has their back, while at the same time removing the distraction from the team during those practices. He also gains power over Sean in future contract negotiations. Finally, he lays the punishment of Sean off on the NFL. Brilliant!



:hmm:

Is there an echo in Hogwash?

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=60


;)

:lol: :oops: Busted!
No, I got no response in the other thread, so I copied it here. Cheap post, but I wasn't doing it to pad my numbers. I'm way past that point.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:19 am
by Deadskins
General Failure wrote:
washington53 wrote:Yeah i really hope he turns that head 360 degrees


:lol: Those are the best kinds of character changes.

Very Linda Blair.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:22 am
by air_hog
General Failure wrote:
washington53 wrote:Yeah i really hope he turns that head 360 degrees


:lol: Those are the best kinds of character changes.


:lol:

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:41 am
by oafusp
Taylor likely OK to play in 2005

By Jody Foldesy
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published June 8, 2005


Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor appears likely to play the 2005 season without suspension unless coach Joe Gibbs changes his mind and benches Taylor before his criminal charges are adjudicated.
Taylor's case, which involves two third-degree felony charges and a first-degree misdemeanor charge, is scheduled to receive an initial felony screening by the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office on Tuesday. The office will determine at that point whether to prosecute. If it does, a tentative court date would be set at the June 24 arraignment.
Ed Griffith, a spokesman for the state attorney's office, said the court date is "quite flexible." NFL players facing trial commonly request continuances until after the season, and Griffith said it wouldn't be wrong to expect the trial ultimately to occur next January or February.
Griffith stressed that "preliminary hurdles," such as gathering enough evidence, are the immediate issue and that a continuance "ultimately ... is a judge's decision." But he noted that failure to grant a continuance can boost the odds of an appeal, something judges try to avoid.
The likelihood of a continuance is significant given Gibbs' statement Monday that placed the burden of Taylor's punishment on the NFL. Gibbs dismissed Taylor for the remainder of the offseason program and prominently referenced the league's personal conduct policy.
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello yesterday made clear the league won't punish a player who hasn't been convicted of a crime. In some circumstances, he said, a team will suspend a player before the case is adjudicated, as Gibbs did following Taylor's DUI arrest in October.
Asked whether the Redskins might suspend Taylor if the case hasn't been resolved by season's start, Gibbs replied, "We haven't talked about anything like that. We have no plans for anything like that. What we're hoping is that Sean can get his personal situation squared away, and we're giving him time to do that."
Thus, barring a significant turn of events, Taylor is in line to join the team July 31, when players report to training camp.
The question of suspension is one of several lingering issues in the wake of a June 1 incident in which police said Taylor pointed a gun at two victims and physically assaulted one. On Saturday, he was charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a firearm and one count of simple battery.
Still uncertain is the exact nature of the incident's second phase, which was first reported yesterday in The Washington Times. After Taylor attacked the two victims, there was a retaliation in which shots were fired at him, two sources familiar with the investigation said. Police still have not made any arrests in connection with this phase.
At next week's initial felony screening, the state attorney's office will determine whether there is enough evidence to prosecute. If not, the case will be dropped. If so, the office will name one of three prosecutors in Judge Mary Barzee's division to handle the case.
The prosecutor ultimately would decide critical matters like whether to apply Florida's "10-20-Life" law, which dictates stiff mandatory minimum sentences. Based on the charges, Taylor could face a mandatory term of at least three years in prison.
Redskins players in recent days have expressed a mixture of disappointment in Taylor and a reluctance to say much before the situation plays out.
"Obviously, you have to be disappointed," quarterback Patrick Ramsey said. "But also you've got to hope for the best and hope it's not as bad as you hear."
Notably, running back Clinton Portis declined comment on his former University of Miami teammate. In recent weeks Portis defended Taylor's decision to train in South Florida and spurn the Redskins' offseason workout program.
"I don't know nothing about nothing," Portis said. "I just got in from out of the country. I didn't even know what happened."

Notes -- An NFL source said the Redskins likely will have to keep players out of Redskin Park for several days as punishment for last week's apparent violation of "organized team activity" rules. However, it does not appear that Washington will lose any actual OTAs, of which there are five left between today and June 15.
Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association, met with Gibbs at Redskin Park. Gibbs later said teams are permitted to conduct one-on-one blocking drills -- one of two key questions about Washington's practice regimen -- but the union and league remain concerned about the level of contact they saw on redskins.com.
"We're still gathering information," Upshaw said as he exited. "I can't talk about it until we resolve it." ...
The Redskins expect cornerback R.W. McQuarters, who has visited about a half-dozen teams since being cut by the Chicago Bears, to decide where to sign in coming days.
http://washtimes.com/sports/20050608-122820-4145r.htm


Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:30 pm
by Irn-Bru
JSPB22 wrote: :lol: :oops: Busted!
No, I got no response in the other thread, so I copied it here. Cheap post, but I wasn't doing it to pad my numbers. I'm way past that point.



:lol: Well, nowadays it's my job to read each and every single post. . .I got a kick out of it and thought you made some good points. . .twice. . . ;)

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:03 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
Wait, I'm confused. JGibbs excused ST for the remainder of the offseason. Does that mean he's excused for training camp also? What about preseason?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:05 pm
by Irn-Bru
From oafusp's article:

Thus, barring a significant turn of events, Taylor is in line to join the team July 31, when players report to training camp.



I'm guessing that, if he's in camp, he'll play in preseason. Please stay out of trouble, ST. . . [-o<

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:09 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
FFA, thanks for clearing that up. Hehehee...as you can see...I was too lazy to read the whole article....a little depressing.
So training camp is not considered an offseason program? Interesting....

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:26 pm
by Irn-Bru
I think that being excused from "off-season" is synonymous with "voluntary" programs, which are only voluntary in the technical definition of the workout.

Anything that Taylor would normally be required to attend, he'll attend. That is, he won't be excused for not attending.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:30 pm
by 1niksder
The Jun 17th -19th Mini-Camp is not voluntary and Taylor WOULD have been required to be there.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:42 pm
by Irn-Bru
Ah, yes, minicamp. Thanks for the clear up, 1niksder.

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:21 pm
by Punu
Drew Rosencrap tried to break it down for us on PTI today...
basically Said taylor wasnt doing anything wrong and still hasnt broken any real rules...
is he an idiot?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:54 am
by thaiphoon
I had the same response to the news as the column in the Washington Times earlier this week ...

CUT ...

HIM ...

NOW ...

He's too good to call back a Hall of Fame coach ??
Too good to work out with his teammates ??
The poor baby has had a miserable life this past year getting paid millions of dollars to play a game so he has to spend extra off-season time away from where he should be ??

If he hadn't stayed in Florida and instead had been here doing workouts with his teammates he wouldn't have gotten into this mess in Florida (maybe some other mess but not THIS one).

Cut him now ... I'm tired of prima donnas headcases like Taylor, Randy Moss, et al. In fact I'll be happy if the Redskins never draft another Miami alum again.

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:39 am
by JPFair
To keep him "in the plans" for the 2005 season is a BRILLIANT tactical ploy by Gibbs. It keeps him from other teams, it keeps his potential on the Redskins, it reduces his leverage in negotiations, and it will allow Gibbs to deal with it in a way that allows for Taylor to show signs of improvement. Gibbs is handling this things BRILLIANTLY!!!

A lot of people might say why is he excusing himself from off season workouts, yet he's o.k. for July 31st. What a brilliant tactic by Gibbs. We OWN Sean Taylor, and by going this route, not only will we own him, but we'll own him at a good price. The only place he'll be going if he doesn't shape up is down on the depth chart. In any scenario, he'll be with the Redskins and it'll be dealt "in house". Gibbs is working his magic again!!

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:43 am
by gay4pacman
He has to handle it some way...i guess this is brilliant considering he was punched in the mouth by a 22 year old punk and had to react.

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:43 am
by Redskins4life 16-0
im not sure if this was posted already.
Sean Taylor is unlikely to miss the 2005 season because his trial would likely be next winter. His arraignment is June 24th. The court date is ''quite flexible'' and players usually seek a date after the season. Unless the Redskins slap their own sanctions on Taylor, which seems unlikely, Taylor should show up for training camp. His agent promised Taylor would be there on Tuesday.

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:08 am
by thaiphoon
His agent promised Taylor would be there on Tuesday.


Sure ... now that he has legal and PR problems he shows up.

Anyone wanna wager that had this gun incident not happened that he'd still be sulking in Florida about God knows what instead of returning to work out with his teammates and get ready for next season ??