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SkinsLaVar wrote:How do you know I was being sarcastic? Maybe that's how I really feel.

Maybe I may not trust your views in the future either. People -earn- each other's respect and honest opinions here. Nothing wrong with your views. Sarcasm can be effective sometimes, particularly when coupled with insight and logic. As it stands, we are left with vented frustration, which leads to more frustration on my end.

You're using a lot of what-ifs, brother. If we win Sunday, it will be because our defense.

Yes, I was. The intention was to find out if you could be motivated to share a more insightful post.

It worked to the extent that it showed that you original message was only sarcasm and nothing else.

I am not going to give anybody unrequested advice. I will only say that I will respond in the future to your posts that have substance whether I agree with them or not.

Being a Gibbs-Skins fan means a positive and constructive attitude. It means principles over quick fixes. It means encouraging the best contributions from your fellow fans.

Insight and Logic from SkinsLaVar is like pulling teeth.
You got two lines out of him thats got to be a record or something

ArmyHog wrote:"I am very confident in what I can do and how I play this game," Brunell said. "I see the field better than I ever have and I feel like I'm making good decisions."

I also have my doubts simply because the OL also plays a role. But I will say one thing:
I will support whoever Joe puts on the field. I will cheer them up and support them 100%. If this is the best personnel that in the opinion of my coach gives us an opportunity toi win, so be it!

So, I may change my mind throughout the game and start chanting RAM-SEY, RAM-SEY but I will give my players and coach the benefit of the doubt at the beginning. So, show me!

Don't get me wrong brother, I'm a die-hard Redskins fan. Our defense and special teams won the game on Sunday, not Mark Brunell. Brunell......well, let's just see how he does tomorrow. If we see him do well, then you'll have the last laugh. Otherwise, I'll continue to stand with the hundreds of Redskins fans shouting: "Ram-sey Ram-sey Ram-sey", like a broken record, baby. Yeah!

hailskins! Welcome to the site and if we were picking teams to debate this topic I would have you on my team.

Redskins in Canada I applaud your patience in trying to show some of our fans that this is all about standing together and believing (as hard as it may be at times) that this group of coaches has a short term and a long term program and it is based on the team aspect and core Redskins.

SkinsLaVar, I do not agree with how you support the team but I am glad that you are able to go to the game and support the Redskins. I agree with you in that cheering for Ramsey may inspire greatness out of Mark. That is what you hope for, right?

Redskin in Canada wrote:
Let me offer some food for thought: What if...

What if after all is said and done, Joe gets the last laugh.
What if the OL starts giving enough time to help Brunell set his feet and throw accurately?
What if Joe ends up proving ALL of us wrong???What if things start working THIS Sunday??

You know, I wait for this to happen every sunday. I lived in jax and saw him play a couple of times, he was a good QB. If brunell can get his stuff togeather it would be great. How many people would jump back on the bandwagon of brunell? I'm a ramsey supporter from the get go, I just think it would be interesting to see what would happen, if brunell threw for 300+ yards w/ 3 TD's today?

some things need to be explained, apparently.

1. first of all, "gibbs seemingly hates ramsey" is not presented as a "rumor". hello? the word "seemingly" is in there- "seems", which inherently implies subjectivity and uncertainty (conjecture!). furthermore, if it was not immediately clear that this was in regards to ramsey's playing as opposed to him personally, this was clarified quite distinctly in subsequent posts.

2. just because someone "says" something doesn't mean it's true, even if the person who said it is in a high position of leadership/authority. it's foolish to say that gibbs MUST like ramsey because he responds with positive remarks when asked about him. aside from being a very diplomatic person, gibbs would never say anything bad about ramsey even if he thinks he's terrible, because this would severely diminish his trade value during the offseason.

3. it is not up to any individual person to decide what being a gibbs-skins fan is about. i have been a gibbs-skins fan basically my whole life. some of you insist it means steadfast, unquestioning loyalty to gibbs's decisions. that is understandable. however, there are a lot of us who feel that as fans, out of love for the team, when there is an individual player who is killing your team (brunell), "loyalty" to him is actuallly destructive- in the games as well as in terms of morale. wouldn't the rest of the team rather WIN with a new QB than continue to be mired down by the old one? so many people have said that switching QBs would signal the end of the season. i see it as the opposite- it would bring the team to life with HOPE.

Ok..Brunnell sucks again.

die cowboys die wrote:some things need to be explained, apparently.

1. first of all, "gibbs seemingly hates ramsey" is not presented as a "rumor". hello? the word "seemingly" is in there- "seems",

Well, it SEEMS to me that Joe made a decision today that shuts up all of those SEEMINGLY senseless guesses based on incomplete and unfounded information.

Time to stand behind Patrick -and- Joe without distractions.

Ramsey came in the game today without any practice, was a little hyper but finnished strong 18 of 37 for 210 yards and keep the team in the game this should be the end of this thread.
Maybe we can start a Ray Brown vs Anybody else thread

1niksder wrote:Ramsey came in the game today without any practice, was a little hyper but finnished strong 18 of 37 for 210 yards and keep the team in the game this should be the end of this thread.
Maybe we can start a Ray Brown vs Anybody else thread

AGREED brother. This is my last post here.

What will the board have to talk about? J/k, lol

Redskin in Canada wrote:AGREED brother. This is my last post here.

good.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Well, it SEEMS to me that Joe made a decision today that shuts up all of those SEEMINGLY senseless guesses based on incomplete and unfounded information.

you seem to need to keep your mouth shut. god. the fact that he waited til it was THAT BAD before he put ramsey in is pretty clear evidence to anyone with a rudimentary grasp of reason that he didn't think much of ramsey. idunno, maybe canada uses "Metric Reason" or something and it just doesn't convert well, like trying to use a metric wrench on a standard nut.

not that michael wilbon is god or anything but here is a quotation from his article for today's washington post, regarding ramsey:

Michael Wilbon wrote:The coaches have been disappointed in his practice performance, which is part of the reason Gibbs hadn't brought him in from the bullpen before now

so stop insulting people when you don't know what you're talking about.

ramsey came in and sucked..he threw 2 picks in less than 2 quarters, I am not a brunell fan, don't get me wrong, but ramsey needs more time..PUT IN HASSELBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!1

spudstr04 wrote:ramsey came in and sucked..he threw 2 picks in less than 2 quarters, I am not a brunell fan, don't get me wrong, but ramsey needs more time..PUT IN HASSELBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Is this sarcasm?

i think the better term would be a mentally challenged post.

And I thought this was the QB thread? But the response from dcd to Redskins in Canada would lead me to believe it could also be a place for the mentally challenged.

Redskins in Canada has as much right to his opinion as we all do and I have some respect for his viewpoints.

I am glad that we finally have made the QB switch and hope for good things from Patrick now that he will have some more time with both Joe and the receivers.

This team is growing and progressing under Joe's leadership and I am sure it will continue to do so.

SkinsJock--i'm mentally challenged for being irritated that someone is insulting me? someone who insults my opinion, even though it is A) based on solid reason, and B) the same assessment that the majority of posters and sports journalists had come to?

i'm going to try to be diplomatic here and overlook the fact that you basically called me a retard. perhaps you should look back over the posts that led up to that one and reconsider your opinion.

first, note that you are being inconsistent in the application of your ideals. RedskinsInCanada is allowed to have his opinion, but not me? his "opinion" consisted of nothing but specifically insulting an opinion i previously put forth (he quoted it and responded sarcastically to it). so i felt obliged/inclined to defend it- especially since he offered absolutely no rationale in support of his, whereas i have offered consistent logical support of mine.

so he is allowed to insult my opinion, but it's wrong for me to defend this insult? no, i'm sorry. he can have whatever opinion he wants but if he mocks my intelligently-formulated opinion and offers no intelligent basis for his disagreement, i'm going to tell him to shut up, and he SHOULD shut up. why on earth would we want this message board to clogged up by mindless derision? if you don't have something intelligent to say, you should keep your mouth shut.

since this is the QB thread, go ramsey! it's about frickin' time.

spudstr04 wrote:ramsey came in and sucked..he threw 2 picks in less than 2 quarters, I am not a brunell fan, don't get me wrong, but ramsey needs more time..PUT IN HASSELBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!1

If he came in midway though the 2nd quarter and played the rest of the game How is that less than 2 quarters


Trying to figure that out should give him a headache


DCD you wrote that Gibbs "seemingly" hates Ramsey because he wouldn't play him instead of Brunell
then RIC responded
You pointed out that you had said seemingly but no reason behind Gibbs hating Ramsey, worst of all you took it personal .... you shouldn't we will all disagree with each other at one point or another while posting here. It's one of the ways we learn from each other.
We're trying to teach spudstr04 our to count but don't whole your breath for that one

actually i have consistently given my reasoning, over and over, and i know that Redskin In Canada has seen it.

once again, it is simple deductive reasoning based on the following evidence:

a) brunell was playing abhorrently
b) gibbs says "brunell gives us the best chance to win"

i mean, this is straight out of a math text book, the "transitive property".

if A (brunell) sucks, and gibbs says A is better than B (ramsey), then clearly gibbs thought that ramsey sucked! i'm having a hard time understanding why this is so hard to grasp.

Maybe you meant Gibbs felt that Ramsey wasn't ready or not prepared to lead the team, and said he seemingly hated him.
But he had hated him don't you think he would have gotten rid of him. If he felt that he sucked why would he keep him on the team?

I have created a second official thread for the Brunell/Ramsey discussions. It is for posting any articles that you may want to post that pertain to the topic of this thread.

... please continue to discuss this matter in this thread, and only post the links in the other thread.

Hopefully this will allow us to filter all Ramsey/Brunell discussion into just two threads.

Thanks.

even if gibbs had a very low opinion of ramsey, he wouldn't just cut him, he would wait til the offseason and try to get a good trade for him.

die cowboys die wrote:even if gibbs had a very low opinion of ramsey, he wouldn't just cut him, he would wait til the offseason and try to get a good trade for him.

If he hated him he wouldn't have him on the team. If hed a very low opinion on him he would have had him inactive, practice squad or gone Gibbs wouldn't have ANYONE on the roster he felt couldn't help the team