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Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:49 pm**

1niksder wrote:You mentioned your WRs but Chad is really all you have Chad Johnson is no sloch but he's no Roy Williams or Jevon Walker either. Rudi might want to mail it in this week because we will shoutdown the passing game.
Gonna be a good game on Sunday to bad you guys cant win on the road

You can't be serious with this statement on Chad Johnson. He's no Roy Williams or Jevon Walker. Wait a minute, you're right because Chad is one of the best recievers in the game. Last year, he led the NFL in most catches of 40 or more yards while he also had the most yards in the AFC. He took on Champ Bailey this year and got 7 catches for 149 yds and a touchdown. Please feel free to try to convince Gibbs and Williams to leave either Smoot or Springs on him one on one. We Bengal fans would appreciate it. :lol:

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:31 pm**

VA Bengal wrote:
At the beginning of your post you say ours is better, but at the end you say yours is. Which one is it man? No one on our team is mentioned. You will find out about TJ on Sunday. Washington has been a bit bipolar, but has had a few good games. It is close but I think our core has a slight edge.

Sarcasm my good man, Sarcasm.

You call yours better I call ours better. Your not backing down, and neither am I. Lets cut the talk, and we'll see whose core is better on Sunday.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 4:38 pm**

Chad is a great receiver but his mouth takes away from his play.

This guy talks before games start. During, and After. And when he is talking he usually is not backing it up.

May I remind you of the Pepto-Bismol incident. Talks all week then gets shut down by mediocre corners.

Our D talks a lot too. But during the games, and after a big play only.

Don't worry about Chad being one on one. He won't be. And while he is double covered tell your by Marvin Lewis to make sure he picks up the blitz.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 5:30 pm**

wow. brunnell's numbers are even with a 'rookie' qb's numbers. that's sad.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:20 pm**

spidey wrote:
1niksder wrote:You mentioned your WRs but Chad is really all you have Chad Johnson is no sloch but he's no Roy Williams or Jevon Walker either. Rudi might want to mail it in this week because we will shoutdown the passing game.
Gonna be a good game on Sunday to bad you guys cant win on the road

You can't be serious with this statement on Chad Johnson. He's no Roy Williams or Jevon Walker. Wait a minute, you're right because Chad is one of the best recievers in the game. Last year, he led the NFL in most catches of 40 or more yards while he also had the most yards in the AFC. He took on Champ Bailey this year and got 7 catches for 149 yds and a touchdown. Please feel free to try to convince Gibbs and Williams to leave either Smoot or Springs on him one on one. We Bengal fans would appreciate it.

Chad is not great..well maybe a great crybaby. Did you see him pout against the pukes?? He had one good year and now he is Jerry Rice...gimme a break. You will find out one good receiver a team does not make. Look at steelers and eagles last week. If you want to highlight his game against Champ I must highlight his total ineptness against the pukes. Consistency makes you great not flashes of brillance.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:47 pm**

How do bengal fans become fans of the bengals? Well ill tell u my story. I'm from vegas and theres no pro sport teams here so my first team i was ever on was in tball the reds. That was in the mid 80's. Thats when the bengals were good. Thats when i started liking them, cuz i was young and i just started liking everything cincy.

moving onto the game. Heres my only smack talk - brunell sucks and so does ramsey. If ramsey was in there u would get more yards, but more turnovers. Brunell is just having a terrible terrible year.

Your defense is tight. Your dline is nice along with our corners and young safeties. Your linebacker core is ok but nothing great cuz lavar is out. We'll only challenge u deep if its in man which i doubt u guys will play. Im guessing only 1-3 deep balls. Perry will be playing most likely and will be a threat out of the backfield on 3rd downs which we havent had all season. Our 3rd down percent is terrible along with our redzone scoring percent. He will help. Our tight ends have been terrible until last week, lets see if they break out of their funk. Chad is having a great year considering the circumstances. We have no other solid Wideout.

Carson isnt being retarded with the deepball any longer and is being more conservative which i think will definately help vs u guys. I see him throwing 1 pick though mb 2. If 2 then we lose big. Our run D is horrible but thats all our D really needs to focus on with ur o...our corners can play man and our safeties and linebackers can pretty much go for the run first. We should contain portis to 130 yds but mostly between the 20's. Brunell will once again be terrible, im guessing 2 picks for our D along with 1 ff. This game will be low scoring and close. We're hungry though.

Bengals 16 - Redskins 10

gotta go with my boys

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:50 pm**

um who are the pukes? cowboys? if so, he had 8 catches for 74 yards. this ineptiveness? Go look at ur receivers avg's and if chad's stat is ineptiveness, whats ur's?

Chad is a top 5 receiver in this league, this year even with a rookie qb he has over 600 yards and 40 catches so far. His TD's are down but thats expected. Wait till later in the year and next season, chad's gonna blow up cuz palmer will be getting better and more confortable.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:32 pm**

jditty47 wrote:um who are the pukes? cowboys? if so, he had 8 catches for 74 yards. this ineptiveness? Go look at ur receivers avg's and if chad's stat is ineptiveness, whats ur's?

Chad is a top 5 receiver in this league, this year even with a rookie qb he has over 600 yards and 40 catches so far. His TD's are down but thats expected. Wait till later in the year and next season, chad's gonna blow up cuz palmer will be getting better and more confortable.

Youre bragging about 80 yards when the cowpukes let Schobel go for 80 all by himself. With that secondary Johnson should have had 180 yards. He will have a much more difficult time against Smoot, Taylor, and Springs.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:40 pm**

jditty, no pics in sigs, please remove.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:02 pm**

are u serious about the pics?

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:46 pm**

jditty47 wrote:How do bengal fans become fans of the bengals? Well ill tell u my story. I'm from vegas and theres no pro sport teams here so my first team i was ever on was in tball the reds. That was in the mid 80's. Thats when the bengals were good. Thats when i started liking them, cuz i was young and i just started liking everything cincy.
Bengals 16 - Redskins 10

gotta go with my boys

From Reds to Bengals mmmm...

Bengals had ONE good season in the 80's. Boomer and A. Munoz have been the most memorable Bengals in my mind. The list of frustrated players leaving the organization for greener pastures elswhere is enormous over the last twodecades. Takeo Spikes and Corey Dillon are only the latest group out of Cinci.

Marvin is a great coach. I like him a lot. He will introduce a TEAM spirit which was sorely lacking.

As to liking all things Cinci, there was this drop-dead gorgeus Cinci girl I once met that ...

Ooops this is a PG board. :oops:

Not all things are bad in Cinci, and I am not talking about Marvin only.

And naaaahhhh, the Skins will have no problem RUNNING over the Bengals.

Washinton 24
Bengals 10

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 10:48 pm**

[quote="VA Bengal"]Let's break this down...

These are the top 3 receivers for each team. We have the edge here. You're lucky Warrick's out.

We are LUCKY Warrick is out ????

A stiff breeze could put Peter out for a month. If Sean Taylor looked at him the wrong way he would need an ice pack. He and Santana Moss are a couple of the most brittle Wr's in the game.

I can't see your team scoring over 10 points all game. So pray for a windy game to hamper Ola from kicking Fg's.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:23 pm**

u need to pray for some wind with graham kicking the way he is. Peter is a very good redzone and 3rd down receiver which we sorely lack. U guys wont run all over us, not with no passing attack whatsoever. U have the edge in the top 3 receivers on roster...wow, too bad u have no qb to throw to them, mb clinton can pass again

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:24 pm**

Johnson is no sloch but he's no Roy Williams or Jevon Walker either.

You're kidding right. You obviously don't know much about football.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:26 pm**

lol if u think johnson isnt a top 5 receiver. U obviously think hes not as good as he is cuz hes on the bengals. He makes great corners look like chumps in man. I hope the skins do man on him...oooooooooooooh i hope so. Hes the only receiver that needs to be covered every play in double or blanket defense. Not even moss garners that.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:34 pm**

Redskin in Canada wrote:
VA Bengal wrote:We beat 2....and I didn't say we scored a lot against all of them. I said we moved the ball fairly well. Listen I don't care how much we score as long as we win.

I only have ONE question:

How does one get to become a Bengals fan???

I mean, my heart goes to you guys. Talk about fan loyalty in the face of total and abysmal hopeless circumstances over their entire history. I have to respect that!!!

But, really, What made you become a Cinci fan?
The name? The uniforms? A. Munoz? Are you from Cinci? I mean, there has to be something.

Well, a little bit of everything. I'm from Central Ohio which is pretty much Browns country and I've always loved their uniforms. I don't know....they've just been my team ever since my first year as a football fan in the 88-89 season, when I was 6 years old.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:34 pm**

i definately think johnson is one of the best in the league, but i must say randy moss will catch the ball with 3 men on him. anyways, i dont think johnson will dominate like you think he will against the redskins, we're #5 against the pass and thats pretty darn good if you ask me

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:37 pm**

hkHog wrote:
SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0 wrote:You've played better Defenses, who? I'll tell you who nobody. Go to espn.com and look it up. Total defense we're #1.

It's funny that you should say that Brunell is going to turn it over when Carson Palmer has 10 int's as apposed to Brunell's 5. Do the math that's twice as many.

Hey Guys guess what There is a QB with a worse rating that Mark Brunell. Carson Plamer.

Your Defense is last against the run.Playing better my butt. Ask Detroit fans, who happened to be doubting CP last week, the kid is no joke.

I repeat you guys are 3-5. So you can keep throwing your damn stats out there, but the bottom line is you have the same record as we do.

BTW Your 3-5 too. And You happen to 0-4 on the road. And if you have yet to look at the schedule. This weeks game is at Fed Ex field.

Good points, these all show how silly this argument is. Also, just so VA Bengal hears this again, PATRICK RAMSEY is NOT the 'Skins QB, MARK BRUNELL is! If Ramsey was, you'd be toast.

BTW, your offense, as great as it is in your eyes, is ranked 25th in the league, that's almost as bad as ours. You have some good young players but they don't always put it together. At least our D is #1. They're going to blitz Palmer a lot and make him throw a few more ints. If you're last against the rush, Portis is going to have a field day, too. For every argument you make, there is an equally valid one we can, so what's the point?

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:39 pm**

SkinFan 0-16 or 16-0 wrote:
VA Bengal wrote:
At the beginning of your post you say ours is better, but at the end you say yours is. Which one is it man? No one on our team is mentioned. You will find out about TJ on Sunday. Washington has been a bit bipolar, but has had a few good games. It is close but I think our core has a slight edge.

Sarcasm my good man, Sarcasm.

You call yours better I call ours better. Your not backing down, and neither am I. Lets cut the talk, and we'll see whose core is better on Sunday.

gotcha

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:44 pm**

VA Bengal wrote:Well, a little bit of everything. I'm from Central Ohio which is pretty much Browns country and I've always loved their uniforms. I don't know....they've just been my team ever since my first year as a football fan in the 88-89 season, when I was 6 years old.

So I hope you know the history of Paul Brown and all ...
Ohio is a State with a great and long football tradition.

One thing is for sure, nobody can call Bengals fans, bandwagon fans. I take my hat off to loyalty and perseverance. Marvin will take you to the promised land, just not this coming Sunday...

I wish you well but Steelers and the AFC are playing the best football in the league right now. Marvin is a good man.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:49 pm**

Redskin in Canada wrote:
VA Bengal wrote:Well, a little bit of everything. I'm from Central Ohio which is pretty much Browns country and I've always loved their uniforms. I don't know....they've just been my team ever since my first year as a football fan in the 88-89 season, when I was 6 years old.

So I hope you know the history of Paul Brown and all ...
Ohio is a State with a great and long football tradition.

One thing is for sure, nobody can call Bengals fans, bandwagon fans. I take my hat off to loyalty and perseverance. Marvin will take you to the promised land, just not this coming Sunday...

Thanks man. I know we're not ranked high in offense or defense but we're getting better. You guys are in for a surprise if you writing us off.

I wish you well but Steelers and the AFC are playing the best football in the league right now. Marvin is a good man.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:50 pm**

i never said johnson will go off vs u guys, i think he will have a solid game, 8 catches, 80 yards, mb a TD.

Posted: **Thu Nov 11, 2004 11:57 pm**

VA Bengal wrote:Johnson is no sloch but he's no Roy Williams or Jevon Walker either.

Look at the numbers ...
Johnson 8 games 14.2 Avg. ypc 2 TDs
Walker.. 6 games 17.0 Avg. ypc 7 TDs
Williams 5 games 14.6 Avg. ypc 5 TDs
I could rest my case here seeing as Johnson has less TDs than both Walker and Williams but you'd say something like well his avg ypc is lower because he's played more games but then shouldn't his number of TDs be higher than theirs?
But I'll play along let's compare him to someone that has played the same number of games he has, even better lets compare him to a Redskin
Johnson 8 games 14.2 Avg. ypc 2 TDs
Gardner 8 games 14.7 Avg. ypc 5 TDs
Not bad for a guy who "doesn't have a QB to throw it to him"

VA Bengal wrote:You're kidding right. You obviously don't know much about football.

You obviously don't know 1niksder

Posted: **Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:39 am**

jditty47 wrote:Chad is a top 5 receiver in this league, this year even with a rookie qb he has over 600 yards and 40 catches so far.

Not bad numbers but NOT top 5 numbers
YARDS
1. J.Walker GB 783
2. J.Smith JAX 703
3. T.Owens PHI 750
4. I.Bruce StL 694
5. A.Johnson Hou 693
Maybe a top 5 reciever in the AFC but not in the league he ain't
CATCHES
1. A.Gates SDG 54
2. D.Mason TEN 52
3. H.Ward PIT 51
4. E.Moulds BUF 47
5. A.Johnson HOU 45
And that's ONLY the AFC 44 catches wouldn't put Chad in the top 10 in the league

You obviously don't know ...

Posted: **Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:52 am**

1niksder wrote:Look at the numbers ...
Johnson 8 games 14.2 Avg. ypc 2 TDs
Walker.. 6 games 17.0 Avg. ypc 7 TDs
Williams 5 games 14.6 Avg. ypc 5 TDs
I could rest my case here seeing as Johnson has less TDs than both Walker and Williams but you'd say something like well his avg ypc is lower because he's played more games but then shouldn't his number of TDs be higher than theirs?
But I'll play along let's compare him to someone that has played the same number of games he has, even better lets compare him to a Redskin
Johnson 8 games 14.2 Avg. ypc 2 TDs
Gardner 8 games 14.7 Avg. ypc 5 TDs
Not bad for a guy who "doesn't have a QB to throw it to him"
You obviously don't 1niksder

Could it be that his numbers are down because of
a) a 1st year qb is throwing to him.
b) Warrick as a possesion reciever was vastly underrated and did not allow teams to double and triple team him consistently.
c) both

Champ Bailey who is considered the BEST cover corner in the league couldn't contain him and even stated after the game that he was one of the best recievers that he has ever faced.

On a side note, how's Sean Taylor working out for your team?

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