SportsLine: Top corner or star back? Bailey makes it clear

[SkinsJock]

coulda, woulda, shoulda. We have CP they have CB. That is not going to change.
IMO we have the back we needed and they have the corner they needed. They probably feel good about this deal but I think that Joe feels that this deal suits his team better.
Champ was good for us, but I really feel we have a player who could be great for us.

[skins75]

Everytime the 2nd round pick comes up it just makes me a little more angry but the reality is we would have not been able to get it done without it. You better believe there are teams that would have given up alot more for Clinton Portis. Essentially we gave up a 2nd round pick for him. Because of what we were asking for Champ teams were just not biting. He would have played for the tag figure this year and been gone the next without us getting anything in return. So when I look at it like that it makes it easier to swallow.

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

I agree, if all is fair Smoot should have gone to Pro Bowl last year, but I think its based more on the prior season and thats why he'll go this year.

You might think Lavar been up and down but he's been to the Pro Bowl almost every year... so he can't be thet much below Champs level....

The Pro Bowl is basically a popularity contest. Don't most of us just select Redskins when we vote anyhow? I love seeing Skins in the Pro Bowl. Heck, even Lavar can go to the Pro Bowl, so long as he ensures B&G representation in the All-Star game.IMO it's not a proper gauge of the best talent in the leagues; if so, there wouldn't be the lists of "shunned players" made up by the experts.

don't get me wrong champ used to be my favorite player but i'm not going to make excuses for him now...i don't feel bad for guys that play for sub-par teams, if they want to win then MAKE SOME PLAYS!!!

On point, dude. Did you all notice that the article made mention of Champ watching the Colts game at home in January? That had become one of Champ's (and our team, as a whole) annual events because he and his teamates didn't do nearly enough to deliver a post season for this city. He wanted to be paid like a team leader!!!????? He should have performed as such all the way through the end of his contract, bumps, bruies, and all.

[BringThePain!]

You might think Lavar been up and down but he's been to the Pro Bowl almost every year... so he can't be thet much below Champs level....

The Pro Bowl is basically a popularity contest. Don't most of us just select Redskins when we vote anyhow? I love seeing Skins in the Pro Bowl. Heck, even Lavar can go to the Pro Bowl, so long as he ensures B&G representation in the All-Star game.IMO it's not a proper gauge of the best talent in the leagues; if so, there wouldn't be the lists of "shunned players" made up by the experts.

That's not True.... fans votes only count 1/3 of official Pro-Bowl voting.... Coaches and Players make up the other 2/3 ..... If that were true Darrell Green would have been in the Pro Bowl every year.... but out of 20 years.... he only went 7 times.... and his last was 1997.... so there's obviously some actually play on the field judging that's thrown in along with being accepted to the Pro Bowl

[Chris Luva Luva]

can anyone name one game champ won for the skins?? i can sure name few that he lost

Ummm? Im sorry but thats a horrible reason. When at anytime last year was Champ the only player on the field? Name one time and then what you said would have credibility. Our ENTIRE team lost games last year. Not just Champ.

[surferskin]

can anyone name one game champ won for the skins?? i can sure name few that he lost

Ummm? Im sorry but thats a horrible reason. When at anytime last year was Champ the only player on the field? Name one time and then what you said would have credibility. Our ENTIRE team lost games last year. Not just Champ.

uh, do you remember 3 years ago lavar intercepting chis weinke and returning it for a td...sending the game to OT for the skin's first win and completely turning a our season around...or when lavar caused warner to fumble at the end of the skins/rams game sealing the win...that's just two examples of lavar doing something to help us win games and DESERVING to get paid well.

here's some examples of bailey deserving a big contract: getting burned by marty booker for 60+ td vs. the bears...getting burned by amani toomer for 60+ td vs. the giants...pass interfering TWICE in the endzone vs. joe horn and the saints, both leading to saints TD's...guess what, we lost all those games by less than a TD...need i go on...

[Redskins1974]

here's some examples of bailey deserving a big contract: getting burned by marty booker for 60+ td vs. the bears...getting burned by amani toomer for 60+ td vs. the giants...pass interfering TWICE in the endzone vs. joe horn and the saints, both leading to saints TD's...guess what, we lost all those games by less than a TD...need i go on...

I tend to agree - I saw this happen in the endzone I sit in too many times last year. Every time it happened I was thinking to myself - 'oh, done deal, champ will stop him." Next thing I know champ's flat on his face with his hands on his helmet knowing he got burnt. I like that fact we got Portis and think Springs and backup Walt Harris will be fine, especially with great coaching. Plus, Denver is supposed to make it far into the playoffs every year under Shannahan and they always choke. I'll take our coaching staff and our team right now over Denver w/ champ any day of the week.

[cj17]

A bad deal for the skins, and a bit of a slap in the face about not having any direction. I don't know about putting too much faith into Joe Gibbs either. It is a totally different league than when he left. Maybe he'll come in and work wonders, but maybe he won't. Time will tell. I will tell you this much, if Gibbs fails, Danny Boy is going to have a lot of feed up fans on his back.

[fleetus]

I think that is mostly perception. We don't eleveate good CB's like we do with RB's. Same thing with QB's. There are many star QB's out there, but that is mostly because QB is the most visible position in the game. Followed by RB. It doesn't mean good CB's are more rare than good QB's and RB's. It's just that you must be one of the top 5 CB's in the league for the average fan to even know your name! While we know all of the starting QB's and RB's. If you're not one of the top 5 CB's then you have to either make an interception or get toasted for a TD to get noticed on television.

Quick test (without looking it up): who's the best CB for the Bengals? Who is their starting RB? I bet most of you know that the Bengals traded Dillon because they have Rudi Johnson, right? How many of you know how they acquired Deltha O'neal and who their #1 CB was last year?

As for Bailey vs. Portis, I find it strange that everyone keeps leaving out the 2nd round pick! I think Portis is definitely more valuable to a team than Bailey, which is why the 2nd rounder was included. Denver and washington both knew it too!!! Portis is younger, and has already, in my opinion, proven himself as much or more than Champ. Two 1500 yard seasons with 13-15 TD's is amazing! Champ might take away his receiver most of the game. Still that same receiver, even on his best day might catch 7 or 8 passes. Portis will catch 4-5 passes PLUS run the ball 25 times! So Champs contibution is important but he simply doesn't affect enough of the game to compare to a star RB like Portis. You might say Bailey is more rare and I'd say, "Who's the star CB for the Bengals again?"

[Scooter]

HA! Now I'm respected? You just made my day BTP - :0)

[BringThePain!]

HA! Now I'm respected? You just made my day BTP - :0)

Well your "mug" is on the site staff list... you gotta get a little respect

We'll remove that "I" from "runnng back".... We'll still know what you meant

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

If that were true Darrell Green would have been in the Pro Bowl every year.... but out of 20 years.... he only went 7 times.... and his last was 1997....

Hello??? "POPULARITY CONTEST"??!!! Of course Darrell didn't make it every year. Haven't you read on thehogs.net how much of a JERK he is????? There's definitely more than one thread that proves that point, eh, budddy?

Back on topic: Glad that the team has moved on from the whole Champ thing. Looking forward to the fans doing the same.

(Hmmmmm... this gives me a good idea for a possible SHTICK topic: Why, oh why, did we ever get rid of Brad --- I just CAN'T get over it. )

[BringThePain!]

If that were true Darrell Green would have been in the Pro Bowl every year.... but out of 20 years.... he only went 7 times.... and his last was 1997....

[color=orange]Hello??? "POPULARITY CONTEST"??!!! Of course Darrell didn't make it every year. Haven't you read on thehogs.net how much of a JERK he is????? There's definitely more than one thread that proves that point, eh, budddy?

Uh.... that's only a few people who met him... there hundreds of thousands of people out there that haven't met him... and think he's a "Saint"..... and they would vote for him... but the main point was the fans only count 1/3 of the vote.... so there is some validity that the athlete preformed well that year... when they go to the pro bowl

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

uh, do you remember 3 years ago lavar intercepting chis weinke and returning it for a td...sending the game to OT for the skin's first win and completely turning a our season around...or when lavar caused warner to fumble at the end of the skins/rams game sealing the win...that's just two examples of lavar doing something to help us win games and DESERVING to get paid well.

REDEEMEDSKIN'S INNER MONOLOGUE: Must......not...look. Must.....avert...eyes. REDEEMEDSKIN..........you...must...NOT....be......fooled. Must.......stay the course. Need....to....bash....#56....but....somehow.....CANNOT!!! Arrrrrrgh!!!!!!!

[Chris Luva Luva]

uh, do you remember 3 years ago lavar intercepting chis weinke and returning it for a td...sending the game to OT for the skin's first win and completely turning a our season around...or when lavar caused warner to fumble at the end of the skins/rams game sealing the win...that's just two examples of lavar doing something to help us win games and DESERVING to get paid well.

Thats still a ridiculous comment. Lavar COULDN'T have changed the face of that game as you say IF it wasn't for his teammates. IF it wasn't for his COACHES. Lavar was in the right place at the right time with the RIGHT circumstances. If LAVAR was soo good at turning the team around what happened last year? If Lavar is the one man army why is anyone else out on the field? It takes a team to win.

O and how easily we forget Lavar blew an assignment and lost us a game also trying to be the SUPERMAN you pump him up to be.

here's some examples of bailey deserving a big contract: getting burned by marty booker for 60+ td vs. the bears...getting burned by amani toomer for 60+ td vs. the giants...pass interfering TWICE in the endzone vs. joe horn and the saints, both leading to saints TD's...guess what, we lost all those games by less than a TD...need i go on...

Where was our pass rush? Where was his safety help?
Sometimes he just got beat. BUT OM MY GOD I HAD A THOUGHT, HE'S ONLY HUMAN.

I remeber the 3 times we got burned in one game with the same play. Remeber Champ isn't calling the plays. Why no hate for that loser Edwards? Champs hand was in the cookie jar too, but it was obvious that Edwards got beat by the same play 3 times in one game, and by the same play by another team a week later.

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[REDEEMEDSKIN]

...so there is some validity that the athlete preformed well that year

...only "SOME"

[surferskin]

i never said lavar was superman but i can actually recall him making plays that have changed games...let me hear one good example of bailey ever doing this...and sorry chris, you can't blame the defensive cordinator when you get beat deep. i never said bailey was terrible BUT HE ABSOLUTELY ISN'T WORTH 9 MIL A YEAR!!

[REDEEMEDSKIN]

Lavar COULDN'T have changed the face of that game as you say IF it wasn't for his teammates. IF it wasn't for his COACHES. Lavar was in the right place at the right time with the RIGHT circumstances. If LAVAR was soo good at turning the team around what happened last year? If Lavar is the one man army why is anyone else out on the field? It takes a team to win. ...O and how easily we forget Lavar blew an assignment and lost us a game also trying to be the SUPERMAN you pump him up to be.

Uh-oh.
It looks like someone's been drinking the REDEEMEDSKIN Kool-Aid.

Speak it, brother, and let the TRUTH set you free!!!

[Chris Luva Luva]

you can't blame the defensive cordinator when you get beat deep.

You can and you can't. It all depends on the play called. We don't know the play so we don't know if an assignment was blown on the safety or the CB. You can blame the DC when we get burned by the same freaking play 3 times in ONE GAME!

let me hear one good example of bailey ever doing this

Thats not a fair question. Thats like asking when has a RT made a big difference. His difference is made in every play, just like Baileys. If Bailey was getting burned as much as you said we wouldn't have had the close games that we had. How man times was he thrown at and how many times was he scored on, if we saw that ratio I believe it'd be low. Then take into consideration he was playing with a broken bone, average safeties, no pass rush, and poor coaching.

bailey was terrible BUT HE ABSOLUTELY ISN'T WORTH 9 MIL A YEAR!!

As far as Im concerned NONE OF THEM ARE. Not Lavar not Ramsey, not Eli. None. Our teachers should be making big money not overgrown kids playing a kids game. BUTthis is reality and they do. This is the reality of the game and their salaries and that being said Bailey is good enough to earn top dollar. If HE WASN'T WE WOULD HAVE NEVER TRIED to sign him.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Uh-oh.
It looks like someone's been drinking the REDEEMEDSKIN Kool-Aid.

Speak it, brother, and let the TRUTH set you free!!!

Im free, and Im speaking. Im glad you agree with me.

[surferskin]

You can and you can't. It all depends on the play called. We don't know the play so we don't know if an assignment was blown on the safety or the CB. You can blame the DC when we get burned by the same freaking play 3 times in ONE GAME!

chris all i can say about that, is that if you watched the games last year when bailey got burned by guys like marty booker and amani toomer...it was DEFINITELY his fault...remember he's a "shutdown corner", george wasn't calling the let's not cover for the deep ball play.

Thats not a fair question. Thats like asking when has a RT made a big difference. His difference is made in every play, just like Baileys. If Bailey was getting burned as much as you said we wouldn't have had the close games that we had. How man times was he thrown at and how many times was he scored on, if we saw that ratio I believe it'd be low. Then take into consideration he was playing with a broken bone, average safeties, no pass rush, and poor coaching.

so basically you're telling me that you can't name one play where champ bailey ever changed a game for the skins...yeah, me neither.

As far as Im concerned NONE OF THEM ARE. Not Lavar not Ramsey, not Eli. None. Our teachers should be making big money not overgrown kids playing a kids game. BUTthis is reality and they do. This is the reality of the game and their salaries and that being said Bailey is good enough to earn top dollar. If HE WASN'T WE WOULD HAVE NEVER TRIED to sign him.

we obviously didn't think he was worth the money he wanted that's why he's playing in denver.

[box8276]

whoever believes this garbage bailey is talkin needs to be smacked....u think gibbs is a step in the wrong direction? u think bailey is gonna get a ring in denver with plummer at qb? ha .....u think everyone in the nfl was laughin at carolina 2 yrs ago at 1-15, or how about the patriots......or the rams....i remember about 4 or 5 yrs ago i was watchin st.louis and philly playin and both of their offenses set records for futility..now look at them.This is the NFL where changes happen overnight. It would serve bailey for the skins to rise and broncos to fall, which i think is a real possibility. Imagine if Plummer gets hurt and they struggle, there already talks in denver about change, who is to say that next coach wants to rebuild his team.......anyways the point is bailey is full of u know wut...its all about the benjamins!!!

[surferskin]

whoever believes this garbage bailey is talkin needs to be smacked....u think gibbs is a step in the wrong direction? u think bailey is gonna get a ring in denver with plummer at qb? ha .....u think everyone in the nfl was laughin at carolina 2 yrs ago at 1-15, or how about the patriots......or the rams....i remember about 4 or 5 yrs ago i was watchin st.louis and philly playin and both of their offenses set records for futility..now look at them.This is the NFL where changes happen overnight. It would serve bailey for the skins to rise and broncos to fall, which i think is a real possibility. Imagine if Plummer gets hurt and they struggle, there already talks in denver about change, who is to say that next coach wants to rebuild his team.......anyways the point is bailey is full of u know wut...its all about the benjamins!!!

thankyou...very well spoken...guess what mr. bailey, if the broncos don't make the playoffs this year there is a very good chance you'll have to learn a new system under a new coach...sound familiar? but champs not going worry about that though, he'll have 9 million reasons why he won't lose any sleep over it.

[DEHog]

Not sure what you guys want from a player. Champ played 5 years here, never missed a game. 4 Pro Bowls, never had his name on the police blotter. All that while having to watch DS throw buckets of money at has beens. Stop blaming Champ for not winning games, last time I checked football was a team sport. Someone mentioned that CP has a better tude then Champ? Your kidding right!!

[Chris Luva Luva]

chris all i can say about that, is that if you watched the games last year when bailey got burned by guys like marty booker and amani toomer...it was DEFINITELY his fault...remember he's a "shutdown corner", george wasn't calling the let's not cover for the deep ball play.

And like I said, he's a human being. Who doesn't mess up and get burned. U can't say Deoin never got burned. That Deoin never had a down year.

so basically you're telling me that you can't name one play where champ bailey ever changed a game for the skins...yeah, me neither.

No because he saved the game in his every down play. Smoot saved games in his every down play. Sorry I can't remeber Bailey juking out an entire team on his hands while singing the "beat it". Maybe Bailey didn't have that chance because they never threw to his side enough which is one reason Smoot has sooo many INT's.

we obviously didn't think he was worth the money he wanted that's why he's playing in denver.

Im not going to fight this anymore. If you want a response to that read back a few pages to my previous posts. It was more than the money and he said it himself. That is a fact, and if you believe otherwise than thats ur opinion. What I belive was verified by him.