Enough with Winslow

Skins71 · Post by **Skins71** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:05 pm

I know I have only been in this group for a bit, but I have been reading all of your post from work, just unable to reply. This cowpuke fan needs to go! Don't you have your own site. And get the stupid cowboy pic off the site I want to throw up.

posse · Post by **posse** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:16 pm

I have been a life-long student of football and fan of Redskins. Just found this site, and though I haven't been here long, I can say with no hesitation that "SkinsFan55" has no idea what he's talking about.

Even if Kellen Winslow was a saint, the Skins STILL did the right thing by choosing Sean Taylor. Add to that Winslow's disrespectful and me-first attitude, and the Taylor pick is unquestionable.

I remember a time when character and integrity mattered a lot to the Redskins organization. It makes me happy to see Gibbs back at the helm and instilling those values in Washington after they were lost under the Turner/Spurrier era.

Sean Taylor is a hard-working and humble family man who wanted to spend draft-day next to his mother and grandmother at home rather than in a $5000 suit in NY. He's passionate about the game (a la Ray Lewis), not about the money and attention like Winslow is. Add to that the fact that everyone agrees that Taylor will be THE best safety for the next 10 years, and I really don't see why you guys are even debating this.

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:23 pm

My point is he also has a soldier mentality Like Winslow......hummm maybe just maybe the miami coaches are teaching that mentalilty to them. I wonder if any of you guys will agree with me or will you just not say anything.

See as an ex-soldier myself I know Winslow did not mean any disrespect when he said what he said. Building a good football team is like building a good military unit in many ways.

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:34 pm

I know a few people in the military who took offense to what he said. Just because you didn't doesn't mean no one did. I don't see that mentality in Taylor. He has also not come across as rude or ungreatful yet. So I think we are safe with his character.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:42 pm

posse wrote:I have been a life-long student of football and fan of Redskins. Just found this site, and though I haven't been here long, I can say with no hesitation that "SkinsFan55" has no idea what he's talking about.

Even if Kellen Winslow was a saint, the Skins STILL did the right thing by choosing Sean Taylor. Add to that Winslow's disrespectful and me-first attitude, and the Taylor pick is unquestionable.

I remember a time when character and integrity mattered a lot to the Redskins organization. It makes me happy to see Gibbs back at the helm and instilling those values in Washington after they were lost under the Turner/Spurrier era.

Sean Taylor is a hard-working and humble family man who wanted to spend draft-day next to his mother and grandmother at home rather than in a $5000 suit in NY. He's passionate about the game (a la Ray Lewis), not about the money and attention like Winslow is. Add to that the fact that everyone agrees that Taylor will be THE best safety for the next 10 years, and I really don't see why you guys are even debating this.

So far in my time on this board the moderators have found it appropriate to have the policy of: "Attack the post, not the poster" it has worked very well and we don't have a lot of problems with jerks coming in and slinging personal insults. Talk like that is reserved for the Smack Talk forum.

That aside there is a big logic gap in your theory that Taylor is so humble and virtueous to stay at home instead of attending the draft. Is Ben Roethisberger a big showoff punk for going to the draft and wearing a fancy suit? What about Roy Williams and Robert Gallery and Larry Fitzgerald? Are they all showboating me first punks for going to the draft? Absolutely not!

How dare you say I don't know what I'm talking about when I lay out exactly why Kellen Winslow would have been an excellent choice and no one has been able to make a similar case for Sean Taylor. Kellen Winslow is one of the rarest and most talented players to appear in the draft for years! Many teams had him #1 on their draft board and rightfully so, he is a player with reciever skills and tight end size. Unbelieveable hands, hardworking blocker and excellent at getting open. I hear people saying "Sean Taylor will be the next Ronnie Lott/Roy Williams/Steve Atwater" You know what? Kellen Winslow Jr is in a class by himself! There is absolutely no one you can compare to past or present that compares to Kellen Winslow Jr. he will be better than his father, the greatest tight end in the history of football. He's an extremely rare talent and there are at least a handful of guys playing today that you can compare to Taylor. We passed up on a very special player to take Taylor who is a little more of a risk and a lot less of a superstar. Only time will tell if this pick is right for us, but Kellen Winslow Jr. will go on to have a Hall of Fame career and he will be the measuring stick for all other tight ends from now until the end of time.

posse · Post by **posse** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:54 pm

^^^

Fine, your POST has no idea what it's talking about. :lol:

And it is very obvious that your post's opinion of Winslow is incredibly over-inflated. That's cool if you like him as much as you do, but you saying he is in a class by himself and will be the best TE ever does nothing but make your post look ignorant and extremely biased.

I personally don't think Winslow will overshadow Tony Gonzolez or Jeremy Shockey. But he'll probably edge out Todd Heap, so that accounts for something.

posse · Post by **posse** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:57 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:we don't have a lot of problems with jerks coming in and slinging personal insults. Talk like that is reserved for the Smack Talk forum.

You aren't calling me a "jerk" are you? If so, that would fall under the category of "slinging personal insults" and that is reserved for the Smack Talk forum.

Thanks....

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:02 pm

The only way Winslow is going to have a HOF career is if he leaves Cleveland. THAT is why he's so ticked about us not picking him. I wouldn't want to go to a frahcise that is only a shadow of a playoff team. I know we have stunk up the joint the past several years as well, but it seems obvious to me that we are doing something about it...ala GIBBS!
I recognize Winslow as a very talented player with great playmaking skills. I do think he has very great potential. However, I can also make those exact statements about Taylor. Since I am able to do that, I then look at our team and see that we really don't need to bolster our offense with anymore playmakers, just guuys that can get it done. Our defense is what has killed us for years and bring in the best safety in the draft will help that.
I don't know why we insist on arguing about this (I won't name names) since Winslow isn't here. You yourself have said that you are willing to move on and be happy about Cool

ey (but not Taylor) yet you continue to wave Winslow's flag. Are you in fact, Winslow himself?
I am just saying let's look at who we got, not who we didn't and see what they can do to help us win.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:04 pm

posse wrote:
Skinsfan55 wrote:we don't have a lot of problems with jerks coming in and slinging personal insults. Talk like that is reserved for the Smack Talk forum.

You aren't calling me a "jerk" are you? If so, that would fall under the category of "slinging personal insults" and that is reserved for the Smack Talk forum.

Thanks....

Were you acting like a jerk? If you think that applied to you I can only assume that's your own guilt at work.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:06 pm

posse wrote:^^^

Fine, your POST has no idea what it's talking about.

And it is very obvious that your post's opinion of Winslow is incredibly over-inflated. That's cool if you like him as much as you do, but you saying he is in a class by himself and will be the best TE ever does nothing but make your post look ignorant and extremely biased.

I personally don't think Winslow will overshadow Tony Gonzolez or Jeremy Shockey. But he'll probably edge out Todd Heap, so that accounts for something.

Kellen Winslow is OBVIOUSLY better than Jeremy Shockey, he's faster and has better moves than any other tight end in history. It is no stretch whatsoever to say that he will probably become the best tight end of all time. I am not the only one making these claims. The fact is he is an extremely rare talent and Sean Taylor is not nearly as rare.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:07 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:
posse wrote:^^^

Fine, your POST has no idea what it's talking about.

And it is very obvious that your post's opinion of Winslow is incredibly over-inflated. That's cool if you like him as much as you do, but you saying he is in a class by himself and will be the best TE ever does nothing but make your post look ignorant and extremely biased.

I personally don't think Winslow will overshadow Tony Gonzolez or Jeremy Shockey. But he'll probably edge out Todd Heap, so that accounts for something.

Kellen Winslow is OBVIOUSLY better than Jeremy Shockey, he's faster and has better moves than any other tight end in history. It is no stretch whatsoever to say that he will probably become the best tight end of all time. I am not the only one making these claims. The fact is he is an extremely rare talent and Sean Taylor is not nearly as rare.

Shockey has one thing over K2 and that is he is NFL proven :wink:

milkbone · Post by **milkbone** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:12 pm

Sf55, WE DRAFTED TAYLOR - NOT WINSLOW, GET OVER IT!!!not everything in life goes your way. stop whining.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:15 pm

Who's whining?

I have gone on record as saying I am happy with the way the draft went down, and have shown that I am VERY pleased with the addition of Chris Cool

ey to the team.

Your post is completely inappropriate.

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:17 pm

I'm sick of people even still talking about Winslow. He's not on our team and not in our division. We got a great player in Taylor so 'nuff said. Cleveland can have fun with his lovely 'tude while we have a team player in the mix.

I'm just going to keep repeating myself. It's not even worth getting into anymore. We got an impact player on D, where we needed more work - who will make people think twice. We got a solid TE that will fit into Gibbs' system just fine. Forget about Winslow... the draft is over.

posse · Post by **posse** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:20 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:has better moves than any other tight end in history. It is no stretch whatsoever to say that he will probably become the best tight end of all time. I am not the only one making these claims..

wow, you have me laughing out loud over here. How old are you by the way?

BTW- the only other people who say he WILL become the best TE of all time are the Poston Brothers. Are you the long lost third Poston brother nobody has heard of?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:20 pm

SF55 said:

I would immagine he feels very hurt about all of this, in his opinion he thinks that the Redskins messed up the greatest day of his life. That's not an easy thing to forgive... all this over a miscommunication

WHAT???? Are you serious? First of all, if he's really that sensitive, then WHY ON EARTH would he hire the Postons, a duo which is currently at war with the 'skins front office over their OWN screw up? Secondly, what does HE have to forgive? Miscommunication? I think it has far more to do with the messages HE was sending... hiring the Postons (message to skins: "just forget about any reasonable negotiation or easy signing"), showing up extremely late for a meeting with the HC (message to Gibbs: "Yeah... maybe I can find time for you"). Whatever.

I'm just hoping that Sean Taylor finds it important to open a new and hard hitting phase of his relationship with KW2. Could be an interesting reintroduction... heh, heh, heh.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:29 pm

I'm sorry I log onto the wrong site

you see I was looking for TheHogs.net WE talk about REDSKINS there ...I dont know how I got to the Browns site

My Bad

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:31 pm

Exactly 1niksder, Cool

ey's our man now!

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:35 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Exactly 1niksder, ey's our man now!

You said that yesterday and :?:

they're still on you :?:

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:58 pm

Ok I am only saying one more thing about this. Winslow has NOT played in the NFL. We all saw how very well college translates to NFL. Look at our lovely ex-coach. I do not think you can make claims like that Skinsfan55, without any proof what so ever. The reason we are still on him niksder is because he won't let it go. This post was about Winslow's attitude towards the skins and Gibbs, not his ability.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:50 pm

NikiH wrote:Ok I am only saying one more thing about this. Winslow has NOT played in the NFL. We all saw how very well college translates to NFL. Look at our lovely ex-coach. I do not think you can make claims like that Skinsfan55, without any proof what so ever. The reason we are still on him niksder is because he won't let it go. This post was about Winslow's attitude towards the skins and Gibbs, not his ability.

Oh my God, let...it...go.

I have been in FULL support of Chris Cool

ey since he was drafted, in fact I don't care to ever hear the name Kellen Winslow Jr. again... just drop it.

I feel that I sufficiently rebuked you on Kellen Winslow's "attitude about the Skins" you're seeing it in a purely negative light and you can really put whatever spin on it you want to, but the actual evidence is on my side.

I do not care to discuss this subject ever again and I am extremely happy to have an excellent player like Chris Cool

ey on the squad. Can we start talking about HIM now, COOLEY will be wearing the B&G next season, NOT Winslow!

posse · Post by **posse** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:45 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:I feel that I sufficiently rebuked you on Kellen Winslow's "attitude about the Skins" you're seeing it in a purely negative light and you can really put whatever spin on it you want to, but the actual evidence is on my side.

No, the evidence is simply not on your side. Not even a little bit.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:50 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:I do not care to discuss this subject ever again and I am extremely happy to have an excellent player like Chris ey on the squad. Can we start talking about HIM now, COOLEY will be wearing the B&G next season, NOT Winslow!

NUFF Said

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:51 pm

How many TE got drafted anyway?

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:42 pm

Just curious, but I was wondering why skinsfan55, you didn't respond at all to anything I said? Must not have liked it very much and just maybe it was all fact.

HTTR