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chiefhog44 wrote:100% what I’ve been saying. Keep building this team with the mediocre bunch we have. Hiring another head coach from a mediocre pool of candidates to just see the next 10 years be mediocre is not a good solution. Further, I think the run on HC’s around the league has depleted the coaching pool. The up and comers need more time to develop OR hire an unconventional HC hire like Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Brohm, Lincoln Riley. Nobody can win next year with the QB situation that we have. Might as well let the plane crash and burn with the group we have. Next year is the complete rebuild IMO. QB class looks strong. Coaching candidates will be more seasoned. Snyder will have one more year to realize that Bruce Allen is the main reason the stadium is empty....even after he’s reassigned this offseason. Hate to say it and as I’ve been saying....staying the course is our best solution right now. Just hope we don’t lose Kyle Smith in the process. I think he’s the only legitimate talent in the building.

chiefhog44 wrote:

welch wrote:Jerry Brewer article today: "The Redskins keep telling us they’re close. To what?" It's a depressing article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/r ... 0493fed11f

My optimistic thought: ignore the QB spot, Redskins. Draft for WR, TE, fast linebackers and DB's. Draft good players, as mentioned above. If the team wins only four or five games next year, that's OK.

100% what I’ve been saying. Keep building this team with the mediocre bunch we have. Hiring another head coach from a mediocre pool of candidates to just see the next 10 years be mediocre is not a good solution. Further, I think the run on HC’s around the league has depleted the coaching pool. The up and comers need more time to develop OR hire an unconventional HC hire like Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Brohm, Lincoln Riley. Nobody can win next year with the QB situation that we have. Might as well let the plane crash and burn with the group we have. Next year is the complete rebuild IMO. QB class looks strong. Coaching candidates will be more seasoned. Snyder will have one more year to realize that Bruce Allen is the main reason the stadium is empty....even after he’s reassigned this offseason. Hate to say it and as I’ve been saying....staying the course is our best solution right now. Just hope we don’t lose Kyle Smith in the process. I think he’s the only legitimate talent in the building.

riggofan wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:100% what I’ve been saying. Keep building this team with the mediocre bunch we have. Hiring another head coach from a mediocre pool of candidates to just see the next 10 years be mediocre is not a good solution. Further, I think the run on HC’s around the league has depleted the coaching pool. The up and comers need more time to develop OR hire an unconventional HC hire like Jim Harbaugh, Jeff Brohm, Lincoln Riley. Nobody can win next year with the QB situation that we have. Might as well let the plane crash and burn with the group we have. Next year is the complete rebuild IMO. QB class looks strong. Coaching candidates will be more seasoned. Snyder will have one more year to realize that Bruce Allen is the main reason the stadium is empty....even after he’s reassigned this offseason. Hate to say it and as I’ve been saying....staying the course is our best solution right now. Just hope we don’t lose Kyle Smith in the process. I think he’s the only legitimate talent in the building.

Wow. Completely agree with all of this.

I think you're especially on point about the HC situation right now. Just way too many vacancies right now and a really underwhelming pool of coaching candidates. Even if there is a potential star in there, nobody stands out to me as a guy who could come in here and fully take charge the way we need.

With this talk about Bruce Allen being reassigned, I keep hearing about certain guys being given "more authority" or whatever. I just don't get that. We need a GM. An actual general manager who is responsible for this football team.

DEHog wrote:Even so...who here wouldn't take a Arians/Bowles ticket over Gruden and Munasky!!

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:Even so...who here wouldn't take a Arians/Bowles ticket over Gruden and Munasky!!

I mean, I'm sure everyone would say heck yeah to that at this point. But what reason is there to believe Arians/Bowles would be more successful than Mike Shanahan?

DEHog wrote:Not sure I follow, that could be said about any coach. My point is there are coaches out there! My speculation is that Bruce being as connected as he is around the league put out feelers to prospective coaches and got no takers...hence the Gruden era continues!

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:Not sure I follow, that could be said about any coach. My point is there are coaches out there! My speculation is that Bruce being as connected as he is around the league put out feelers to prospective coaches and got no takers...hence the Gruden era continues!

Gotcha, I understand what you're saying. And yeah I'd agree that Arians/Bowles was definitely one of the better coaching hires to be done out there. I've been mostly underwhelmed by the coaching news so far.

I still think Gregg Williams should be a HC personally. If the team were to move on from Jay that would be the guy I'd most like to see here.

Does anyone know the answer to this: was Williams the coach Gibbs wanted to succeed him? I can't really remember how that all went down after Gibbs left.

welch wrote:

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:Not sure I follow, that could be said about any coach. My point is there are coaches out there! My speculation is that Bruce being as connected as he is around the league put out feelers to prospective coaches and got no takers...hence the Gruden era continues!

Gotcha, I understand what you're saying. And yeah I'd agree that Arians/Bowles was definitely one of the better coaching hires to be done out there. I've been mostly underwhelmed by the coaching news so far.

I still think Gregg Williams should be a HC personally. If the team were to move on from Jay that would be the guy I'd most like to see here.

Does anyone know the answer to this: was Williams the coach Gibbs wanted to succeed him? I can't really remember how that all went down after Gibbs left.

Yes, Gregg W. was the guy that Joe Gibbs intended to take over the Redskins. Gibbs had also brought Al Saunders to be Offensive Coordinator. Saunders was an offensive "advisor" this season at Cleveland. However, Dan Snyder knows more about football than Amos Alonzo Stagg, Vince Lombardi, and Joe Gibbs combined. The Redskins got Vinnie Cerrato version 2 and Jim Zorn.

DEHog wrote:Did the Skins really bring in Todd Bowles to interview him for a position coach spot??

riggofan wrote:I would love to have brought in Todd Bowles, but I'm not sure I'd characterize this as "inexcusable" on the part of the Redskins not to make a contract offer. It sounds like they reached out to him to gauge interest, see what his plans were. There are two dozen great reasons why the Tampa DC job is better than anything the Skins might have offered.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:I would love to have brought in Todd Bowles, but I'm not sure I'd characterize this as "inexcusable" on the part of the Redskins not to make a contract offer. It sounds like they reached out to him to gauge interest, see what his plans were. There are two dozen great reasons why the Tampa DC job is better than anything the Skins might have offered.

Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer. Obviously that didn't happen. Knowing this organization they probably brought him in to interview for the special teams coaching job vacated by Kotwica. They certainly didn't bring him in to replace Manusky or he'd have at least been made an offer.

DEHog wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:I would love to have brought in Todd Bowles, but I'm not sure I'd characterize this as "inexcusable" on the part of the Redskins not to make a contract offer. It sounds like they reached out to him to gauge interest, see what his plans were. There are two dozen great reasons why the Tampa DC job is better than anything the Skins might have offered.

Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer. Obviously that didn't happen. Knowing this organization they probably brought him in to interview for the special teams coaching job vacated by Kotwica. They certainly didn't bring him in to replace Manusky or he'd have at least been made an offer.

Do we even have a opening? Only one I know of is ST... So if you're Manusky how are you feeling today?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.

I don't know man. It just seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about this. The only reporting I've seen about this is that the team "met with" Bowles. They could have had lunch in NY for all I know.

Anyway, none of this strikes me as a particularly big deal. If I was Todd Bowles: 1) I wouldn't be that upset about meeting with any NFL team to discuss a very rare and lucrative job and more importantly 2) that meeting gives his agent leverage in negotiating his salary and contract with Tampa. I guarantee you he was in a much better position talking with them because he had interest from the Redskins.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:What strikes me as a "big deal" is how the Redskins seems to be content to sit with their collective thumbs up their collective asses collectively watching the coaching carousel go 'round. Todd Bowles is just a symptom of the larger problem that the team apparently has *f$ck* all intention of making any coaching changes.

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:What strikes me as a "big deal" is how the Redskins seems to be content to sit with their collective thumbs up their collective asses collectively watching the coaching carousel go 'round. Todd Bowles is just a symptom of the larger problem that the team apparently has *f$ck* all intention of making any coaching changes.

Right on.

Man, I'm not sure if they no intention of making any changes. I'm kind of worried that these guys just have no idea wtf to do. Is having no plan worse than having a bad plan??

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.

I don't know man. It just seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about this. The only reporting I've seen about this is that the team "met with" Bowles. They could have had lunch in NY for all I know.

Anyway, none of this strikes me as a particularly big deal. If I was Todd Bowles: 1) I wouldn't be that upset about meeting with any NFL team to discuss a very rare and lucrative job and more importantly 2) that meeting gives his agent leverage in negotiating his salary and contract with Tampa. I guarantee you he was in a much better position talking with them because he had interest from the Redskins.

DEHog wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Couldn't they have asked him that over the phone? Why waste his time? That kind of business practice wouldn't make me rush to work for anyone. It was fairly widely known Bowles was a top candidate for and interested in the Tampa Bay job so the only reason he would interview with the Redskins is if they gave him the impression they could make him a better or at least a competitive offer.

I don't know man. It just seems like you're making a lot of assumptions about this. The only reporting I've seen about this is that the team "met with" Bowles. They could have had lunch in NY for all I know.

Anyway, none of this strikes me as a particularly big deal. If I was Todd Bowles: 1) I wouldn't be that upset about meeting with any NFL team to discuss a very rare and lucrative job and more importantly 2) that meeting gives his agent leverage in negotiating his salary and contract with Tampa. I guarantee you he was in a much better position talking with them because he had interest from the Redskins.

Ok but why make that public when you don't have a opening?? Think about finding out your boss is conducting interviews for your job. This just tells me that the Skins still don't have a clue about how to conduct business! The sad part is the league is watching...I stand by my statement that the Skins couldn't get the coach they wanted to replace Gruden so they kept him. The last thing the Skins need is a "public" repeat of the process that lead to the Zorn hire.