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SkinsJock wrote:

grampi wrote:I don't have a problem with players protesting. I have a problem with them using the NFL as a platform for their protests. When they are wearing their uniform and standing on a football field, they are representing the NFL. They are paid to play, therefore they are an employee of the NFL. If I protest at work, I would get fired. Why should players be allowed to protest at work? They should do their protesting on their own time, off the field, and not in uniform.

I don't think any of the owners is stupid enough to fire any player over this, but it would be fun to see the ramifications if one did do that

what do you think would be a more effective way for those players that want to bring attention to social injustice?

How about if they direct their protests in the right direction? If they're protesting against our so called oppressive police forces, why not go stand in front of a police station and protest? Kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful to ALL Americans, and since when is the flag a symbol of our police forces?

not sure that is going to get the attention they want or that they feel that is the best way to make their appeal for dialogue ...

I'm sure they do not mean to dis-respect the flag or the anthem but it does not surprise me that some think that is what they are trying to do

communication is a great thing and the current political situation has very little of it that makes any sense - especially from the top

I am encouraged to hear reports that some of the players that are involved are considering a more pro active career in politics or the like after their playing days are done - sounds like a good thing to me

SkinsJock wrote:not sure that is going to get the attention they want or that they feel that is the best way to make their appeal for dialogue ...

I'm sure they do not mean to dis-respect the flag or the anthem but it does not surprise me that some think that is what they are trying to do

communication is a great thing and the current political situation has very little of it that makes any sense - especially from the top

I am encouraged to hear reports that some of the players that are involved are considering a more pro active career in politics or the like after their playing days are done - sounds like a good thing to me

I doubt if I used the excuse that protesting on my own time and not using my job as platform to get my message out would not convey my message would get me off the hook, so why should they be able to use the NFL as their platform? People don't want to see politics during sporting events...not the proper time or place to protest...

there's a lot of anger out there right now and some players are using their position to try and get some dialogue going - responses from Trump, Jones and McNair are actually encouraging more 'reaction' from the players

grampi wrote:People don't want to see politics during sporting events...not the proper time or place to protest...

Protesting social injustice is not "politics." Mike Pence going to, and leaving a game, for the sole purpose of denouncing the protests is politics. But I bet you had no problem whatsoever with that stunt. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable, only proves that it is exactly the right time and place. In fact, any time or platform that can be used to protest social injustice, is the right time and place.

Deadskins wrote:

grampi wrote:People don't want to see politics during sporting events...not the proper time or place to protest...

Protesting social injustice is not "politics." Mike Pence going to, and leaving a game, for the sole purpose of denouncing the protests is politics. But I bet you had no problem whatsoever with that stunt. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable, only proves that it is exactly the right time and place. In fact, any time or platform that can be used to protest social injustice, is the right time and place.

What social injustice? You mean when a black guy gets killed after committing a crime and then fighting with police?

grampi wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

grampi wrote:People don't want to see politics during sporting events...not the proper time or place to protest...

Protesting social injustice is not "politics." Mike Pence going to, and leaving a game, for the sole purpose of denouncing the protests is politics. But I bet you had no problem whatsoever with that stunt. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable, only proves that it is exactly the right time and place. In fact, any time or platform that can be used to protest social injustice, is the right time and place.

What social injustice? You mean when a black guy gets killed after committing a crime and then fighting with police?

Wow! Just wow.

There is a forum where political discussions are appropriate. This is NOT it. By definition, a protest is political, and demonstrating resolve against a protest is political, so no matter how you view it... take it to the lounge.

Countertrey wrote:There is a forum where political discussions are appropriate. This is NOT it. By definition, a protest is political, and demonstrating resolve against a protest is political, so no matter how you view it... take it to the lounge.

I agree about this being the wrong forum here at THN, but not about a protest being political by definition. Regardless, this is my last post on the subject.

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There is a forum where political discussions are appropriate. This is NOT it. By definition, a protest is political, and demonstrating resolve against a protest is political, so no matter how you view it... take it to the lounge.

I agree about this being the wrong forum here at THN, but not about a protest being political by definition. Regardless, this is my last post on the subject.

Your definition of politics is clearly, quite narrow. Ultimately, it is the art of influencing others to your way of thinking... clearly, that is the intention of any protest...

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There is a forum where political discussions are appropriate. This is NOT it. By definition, a protest is political, and demonstrating resolve against a protest is political, so no matter how you view it... take it to the lounge.

I agree about this being the wrong forum here at THN, but not about a protest being political by definition. Regardless, this is my last post on the subject.

Your definition of politics is clearly, quite narrow. Ultimately, it is the art of influencing others to your way of thinking... clearly, that is the intention of any protest...

Does this surprise you? He obviously buys into the false narrative of the protesters, so him thinking that protesting is not political doesn't surprise me...