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any defensive player the Redskins take in the top 20 will most likely be the best player available and a position we need to get better at

even these 2 bozos can't screw this up ... can they?

SkinsJock wrote:even these 2 bozos can't screw this up ... can they?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:even these 2 bozos can't screw this up ... can they?

Anybody can screw up anything. You shoulda seen my prom date.

DarthMonk wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:even these 2 bozos can't screw this up ... can they?

Anybody can screw up anything. You shoulda seen my prom date.

You should have seen my ex-wife.

My prediction is that the Redskins will

1. Draft a player

2. Trade down and draft players

3. Trade up and draft a player

If any of those three scenarios happen, the F.O. and Snyder will be lambasted on this board for incompetence.

Hooligan wrote:My prediction is that the Redskins will

1. Draft a player

2. Trade down and draft players

3. Trade up and draft a player

If any of those three scenarios happen, the F.O. and Snyder will be lambasted on this board for incompetence.

Bruce Allen is not totally incompetent when it comes to drafting and he probably has Scot McCloughan's draft board in addition. The biggest issue is there's no chance of drafting enough players to fill every need.

Of course someone is going to be unhappy. We're all expert couch GMs just waiting for that phone call from a needy team.

Hooligan wrote:My prediction is that the Redskins will

1. Draft a player

2. Trade down and draft players

3. Trade up and draft a player

If any of those three scenarios happen, the F.O. and Snyder will be lambasted on this board for incompetence.

I see the but ...

1. they could draft a good defensive player with the 17th pick ...

2. hard to find fault with them doing this ...

3. depends on what they give up - I don't like giving up Cousins to get to #2 but we really need a future great defensive player
we're going to lose Cousins after this season and we can't really afford to pay him and add great players

I don't like the fact that Dan & Bruce are making the decisions - they have not shown much to date - they could surprise us but it seems unlikely

SkinsJock wrote:I don't like the fact that Dan & Bruce are making the decisions - they have not shown much to date - they could surprise us but it seems unlikely

What makes you think Dan Snyder is involved in the draft?

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I don't like the fact that Dan & Bruce are making the decisions - they have not shown much to date - they could surprise us but it seems unlikely

What makes you think Dan Snyder is involved in the draft?

Because he doesn't have a clue about owning the franchise and there is no other explanation for making the deal to trade up for RG3

what makes you think that Dan Snyder does not influence which players are drafted?

SkinsJock wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I don't like the fact that Dan & Bruce are making the decisions - they have not shown much to date - they could surprise us but it seems unlikely

What makes you think Dan Snyder is involved in the draft?

Because he doesn't have a clue about owning the franchise and there is no other explanation for making the deal to trade up for RG3

what makes you think that Dan Snyder does not influence which players are drafted?

A lack of empirical evidence.

But I gotta admit now that I've read what some guy wrote on an internet message board, I'm really starting to come around on this...

there's a lack of evidence that Snyder has been involved with the draft or there's a lack of evidence that he's not involved with the draft?

and

this is a Redskins fan site and I'm sure that most here think that Dan Snyder has been involved with the draft - who needs evidence

SkinsJock wrote:there's a lack of evidence that Snyder has been involved with the draft or there's a lack of evidence that he's not involved with the draft?

and

this is a Redskins fan site and I'm sure that most here think that Dan Snyder has been involved with the draft - who needs evidence

I think Snyder signed off on the RGIII trade but I don't think it was his idea. I think it was Bruce Allen's idea.

That should concern you since he's in charge of this draft.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:there's a lack of evidence that Snyder has been involved with the draft or there's a lack of evidence that he's not involved with the draft?
and
this is a Redskins fan site and I'm sure that most here think that Dan Snyder has been involved with the draft - who needs evidence

I think Snyder signed off on the RGIII trade but I don't think it was his idea. I think it was Bruce Allen's idea.
That should concern you since he's in charge of this draft.

whatever - anyone that thinks that Dan Snyder is not involved with all of the decisions involving the FO, the coaching staff and the players is not dealing with reality - all the 'evidence' you need is the current state of this franchise and what has happened here since 1999

Bruce Allen is not making ANY decisions in this draft that Dan Snyder does not want him to make

and you're right - I am V concerned about these 2 bozos and what they will do in this draft

Hope for the best. Httr

SkinsJock wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:there's a lack of evidence that Snyder has been involved with the draft or there's a lack of evidence that he's not involved with the draft?
and
this is a Redskins fan site and I'm sure that most here think that Dan Snyder has been involved with the draft - who needs evidence

I think Snyder signed off on the RGIII trade but I don't think it was his idea. I think it was Bruce Allen's idea.
That should concern you since he's in charge of this draft.

whatever - anyone that thinks that Dan Snyder is not involved with all of the decisions involving the FO, the coaching staff and the players is not dealing with reality - all the 'evidence' you need is the current state of this franchise and what has happened here since 1999

Bruce Allen is not making ANY decisions in this draft that Dan Snyder does not want him to make

and you're right - I am V concerned about these 2 bozos and what they will do in this draft

Snyder has Zero to do with the draft. He won't be sitting at the table and they don't have time to get his approval while they are on the clock. There isn't a scout anywhere watching hundreds of hours of film on prospects just so they can ask Dan Snyder his opinion on draft prospects. Snyder probably couldn't name the top 15 draft prospects on a bet. Your argument makes absolutely no sense and you have no proof Snyder is involved directly with the draft.

He may not know players very well but do you really think he is not going to give his opinion? Like on position or what side of the ball to select? If you want evidence as to his involvement you need look no further than 2012 with Shanahan “in control”. With no real GM in place I think he will have a say!

Anyone that thinks that Dan Snyder does not have anything to do with the draft or that a player is drafted that Dan Snyder does not want is not dealing with reality - we don't have any 'proof' that the earth is affected by global warming either - it's just a fact

WAKE UP - take off the blinders

DEHog wrote:He may not know players very well but do you really think he is not going to give his opinion? Like on position or what side of the ball to select? If you want evidence as to his involvement you need look no further than 2012 with Shanahan “in control”. With no real GM in place I think he will have a say!

No, I do not think Snyder is going to give his opinion. I don't even think Snyder has an opinion. I think he learned his lesson with the RGIII fiasco.

I also don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that Snyder has been involved in the draft process since the RGIII fiasco.

If there is any, I'd love to see it.

SkinsJock wrote:Anyone that thinks that Dan Snyder does not have anything to do with the draft or that a player is drafted that Dan Snyder does not want is not dealing with reality - we don't have any 'proof' that the earth is affected by global warming either - it's just a fact

WAKE UP - take off the blinders

I just think 1) You're vastly overstating his involvement. 2) Every owner in the NFL is 'involved' in the draft. Jack Freaking Kent Cooke was involved in the draft. Doesn't mean Dan Snyder is setting the draft board. 3) If I'm an owner and my GM wants to trade away three first round pick, I would be involved too. 4) I'm also willing to bet that every owner in the league gives an okay to his first round pick. These guys are his future employees and people to whom he has to pay a bunch of money.

If Snyder is ignoring the advice of his scouts and coaches, I've never seen evidence of it.

And yes we do have evidence of global warming. That doesn't mean there is proof of a global cabal to willfully destroy the planet.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: I think he learned his lesson with the RGIII fiasco.

Let's not get carried away....

SJ, that there is a quote you have to save for future reference!

Dan Snyder has shown ZERO capacity to learn from his mistakes

We are so screwed to have this guy as an owner that continues to meddle and refuses to recognize how much of a hindrance he is

it's hard to say who is the worst owner but Dan Snyder is definitely on the short list of that discussion

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:He may not know players very well but do you really think he is not going to give his opinion? Like on position or what side of the ball to select? If you want evidence as to his involvement you need look no further than 2012 with Shanahan “in control”. With no real GM in place I think he will have a say!

No, I do not think Snyder is going to give his opinion. I don't even think Snyder has an opinion. I think he learned his lesson with the RGIII fiasco.

I also don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that Snyder has been involved in the draft process since the RGIII fiasco.

If there is any, I'd love to see it.

I your right...He didn't go to the combine this year did he?

When do they start the draft?

DEHog wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

DEHog wrote:He may not know players very well but do you really think he is not going to give his opinion? Like on position or what side of the ball to select? If you want evidence as to his involvement you need look no further than 2012 with Shanahan “in control”. With no real GM in place I think he will have a say!

No, I do not think Snyder is going to give his opinion. I don't even think Snyder has an opinion. I think he learned his lesson with the RGIII fiasco.

I also don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that Snyder has been involved in the draft process since the RGIII fiasco.

If there is any, I'd love to see it.

I your right...He didn't go to the combine this year did he?

If he did I heard nothing of it. As far as I know, the Skins had no one in upper management at the combine. We know McCloughan didn't make it. Maybe Doug Williams? Not sure.