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Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:30 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:41 pm
by SkinsJock
it's creative thinking from Redskins Park ...
a little over a year ago, Dan & Bruce were trying to figure out what they might get by trading away Gruden and Cousins (maybe a 6th and 7th round pick) so they could get a new HC and start RG3 - Scot persuaded them to get rid of RG3 and let Kirk Cousins play for a year under Jay but with no long term contract because Dan & Bruce thought he was not worth it
a year later, Kirk has shown that he's a good NFL QB and now Dan & Bruce want to 'punish' Scot for costing them a lot of money by not signing Cousins to a LTD in 2015
it looks like Dan & Bruce want to get the most they can for Cousins and try and pin the whole thing on Scot
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:36 pm
by welch
Irn-Bru wrote:What the hell is going on? I'm hoping against the odds that everything straightens out, but as it is, this looks terrible.
Terrible and ugly. Like everything Snyder has brought to the Redskins, except for the four seasons after Joe Gibbs returned.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:50 pm
by SkinsJock
welch wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:What the hell is going on? I'm hoping against the odds that everything straightens out, but as it is, this looks terrible.
Terrible & ugly. Like everything Snyder has brought to the Redskins, except for the four seasons after Joe Gibbs returned.
Agreed - I have been posting for a while now that there is something going on here that does not make sense - Cousins was not being treated in a manner befitting your most important player - having your GM not be involved this week is not encouraging at all and to hear 'reports' that Scot may not have been a part of things for some time now is indicative of an owner meddling in stuff again
I am concerned about the franchise but also for Scot
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:54 pm
by tribeofjudah
Redskins insist GM McCloughan will be back
Speaking in a Thursday radio interview, Redskins president Bruce Allen insisted GM Scot McCloughan would soon be back with the team.
"As soon as the family matters are cleared up, we'll be ok," Allen said, referring to the death of McCloughan's grandmother. Rumors have been running rampant about McCloughan's absence, and Allen was asked point blank about McCloughan's past struggles with alcohol abuse. "You know, Scot's a great guy," was Allen's response. "Anyone who knows him knows he's a great guy." It was a non-answer. McCloughan's future with the team is very much up in the air.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:14 am
by FanofallthatisGibbs
I am sick to my stomach over the mishandling, the mismanagement, and the PR clusterf*ck this has all become. With so much in cap space, this was the year the franchise was set to take the next step to consistent winning. Only these clowns could mess it up so bad.
What's sad for us fans, is why would any player in his right mind come to play in DC? Money? Yes. Outside of that reason, it's hard to answer that question. We will lose out on so many FAs and good players because of these optics.
If SM does go, you might see what was left of the fanbase leave for good. Horrible.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:01 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:a little over a year ago, Dan & Bruce were trying to figure out what they might get by trading away Gruden and Cousins (maybe a 6th and 7th round pick) so they could get a new HC and start RG3 - Scot persuaded them to get rid of RG3 and let Kirk Cousins play for a year under Jay but with no long term contract because Dan & Bruce thought he was not worth it
How in the world would you possibly know this is true?
I always enjoy that you post statements like this as fact, but are so quick to dismiss actual reporters and people who work around Redskins park as knowing nothing, lacking credibility, etc; Highly entertaining.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:04 am
by riggofan
FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:If SM does go, you might see what was left of the fanbase leave for good. Horrible.
Doesn't this depend on the circumstances though? For me personally, I'd be pissed off if it turns out that this is all about some ego trip, control thing in the front office. On the other hand, if it turns out that McCloughan is really having personal issues, I'm not going to blame the team for trying to keep that situation under wraps.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:10 am
by oj
This is what happens when upper management lacks credibility. For all we know Allen might be telling the truth - I doubt it - but they don't have any credibility so they can't make a definative statement that will put all these rumors to rest. In fact, the rumors get greater whenever they make a statement.
This is not an atmosphere a team gets anchored on. I also think there is a linkage between this action and Cousins getting tagged instead of a long term contract. It wouldn't surprise me that Scott is royally pissed off at Allen/Snyder for not committing to Cousins and he had to walk away for a while.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:22 am
by riggofan
DAMN!!!! Its bad enough have to read Chris Russell's made up stories that I don't agree with. I hate it when they also turn out to be factually accurate.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:59 am
by SkinsJock
HOPEFULLY more is being made of this than is actually factual - that's usually the case here - If the franchise is giving Scot some time to get things together, we don't have near as big an issue as we do if Scot is being 'forced' away from what he does so well
It's a big deal that Scot is not at the combine but it's an even bigger deal if that is an indication of his current standing with the team - we can only hope that this is a personal problem and Scot is being given time to work it all out
IF Scot's input is no longer important, we have a huge problem and a typical DC disaster when it comes to the NFL
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:38 pm
by mastdark81
Again until our top brass get on the same page on the majority of things and move in the same direction our organization will never be winners. Fans were actually happy that we won 8 games this year or 9 games the previous year.... = mediocre.
The majority of our fans/coaches don't hold players nor staff accountable and to high standards...and if it wasn't for the media we wouldn't have even had McCloughan in the first place. But as I said before Bruce is the new Vinny, he's just has better relationships around the league but he's Snyder's voice. 2 guys vs 1 guy = winner 2 guys.
And from a football stand point, McCloughan STILL and I cannot stress this enough have Scott Campbell under pay roll and didn't bring his own guys in. He can have a great eye but if you do not have a great team around you, you will not succeed and the same goes for Jay Gruden and his lack of hiring.
**vent**
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:42 pm
by StorminMormon86
riggofan wrote:yeah let's keep blaming Chris Russell. I'm sure he's out there just making stuff up.
So Scot's agent, his wife, and other sources are making stuff up? All of them have refuted the "sent home Jan. 20th" initial report...by Russell.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:47 pm
by SkinsJock
Cousins is NOT & should not sign a long term deal here if Dan Snyder is a part of the decision making - not even for $30M a year - NO WAY
No matter who is on the roster, this franchise is going nowhere under Snyder's guidance & input
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:39 pm
by mastdark81
StorminMormon86 wrote:riggofan wrote:yeah let's keep blaming Chris Russell. I'm sure he's out there just making stuff up.
So Scot's agent, his wife, and other sources are making stuff up? All of them have refuted the "sent home Jan. 20th" initial report...by Russell.
The problem is the non-clarity of the situation by the Redskins. Whether it is true or not, there should be clarity on McCloughan or this leads to speculation/rumors/lies/investigating. The PR staff always leave room for one of the four. We haven't even heard from Scot in months it seem. I mean that in itself is bad when he has presented himself to be available in the past.
Refuting on twitter doesn't count haha. Our organization have to be more professional about the way they handle stories and can nip alot of stuff in the bud.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:00 pm
by riggofan
mastdark81 wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:So Scot's agent, his wife, and other sources are making stuff up? All of them have refuted the "sent home Jan. 20th" initial report...by Russell.
The problem is the non-clarity of the situation by the Redskins. Whether it is true or not, there should be clarity on McCloughan or this leads to speculation/rumors/lies/investigating. The PR staff always leave room for one of the four. We haven't even heard from Scot in months it seem. I mean that in itself is bad when he has presented himself to be available in the past.
Refuting on twitter doesn't count haha. Our organization have to be more professional about the way they handle stories and can nip alot of stuff in the bud.
I must have missed the original message, but I'm kind of laughing about Scot's agent and his wife refuting the original report. Good stuff.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:36 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
From all the chatter this is all because Scott was supposedly against Cousins getting a long term deal last year and now that he had another good year and the front office has no power to sign him to a decent contract they are throwing SM under the bus. I know it sounds stupid but it sounds just like what is the truth dealing with the Redskins. I now understand that video of Cousins rubbing SM's hair in that video after they beat the Packers last year. My only issue is if they pay Cousins all that money and sign him to a long term deal what sense does that make when they will most likely let Garcon and Jackson go? Reed is one concussion or serious injury from being out the league, Vernon Davis is about to get an AARP Card what will this offence look like???
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:44 am
by StorminMormon86
mastdark81 wrote:Whether it is true or not, there should be clarity on McCloughan or this leads to speculation/rumors/lies/investigating.
If this is complete BS, why do the Redskins need to do anything at all? Let the media speculate. Who cares? Why even bother acknowledging something that is a total fabrication? I think the Skins are doing things differently for the first time in a long time and the media has no idea how to react.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:32 am
by SkinsJock
I'm not sure what the real story is or what the facts are ...
The important thing is that this franchise has got to have a GM that can manage the FO so that Bruce and Dan are not making decisions
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:28 pm
by markshark84
riggofan wrote:I must have missed the original message, but I'm kind of laughing about Scot's agent and his wife refuting the original report. Good stuff.
That wife is a loose cannon. First the whole BJ thing and now the rings tweet.
She's got to know she's not helping her husband...... And honestly, she has no clue whether he was asked to leave or not --- unless she was present at the time the conversation between Allen/Snyder/Scot occurred (or never occurred), which I am sure she wasn't.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:32 pm
by DEHog
markshark84 wrote:riggofan wrote:I must have missed the original message, but I'm kind of laughing about Scot's agent and his wife refuting the original report. Good stuff.
That wife is a loose cannon. First the whole BJ thing and now the rings tweet.
She's got to know she's not helping her husband...... And honestly, she has no clue whether he was asked to leave or not --- unless she was present at the time the conversation between Allen/Snyder/Scot occurred (or never occurred), which I am sure she wasn't.
But she does sleep with the guy...
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:13 pm
by Burgundy&GoldForever
DEHog wrote:markshark84 wrote:riggofan wrote:I must have missed the original message, but I'm kind of laughing about Scot's agent and his wife refuting the original report. Good stuff.
That wife is a loose cannon. First the whole BJ thing and now the rings tweet.
She's got to know she's not helping her husband...... And honestly, she has no clue whether he was asked to leave or not --- unless she was present at the time the conversation between Allen/Snyder/Scot occurred (or never occurred), which I am sure she wasn't.
But she does sleep with the guy...
You think they actually sleep? I hope I never get that old.
Re: Scot McCloughan is not with the team at the NFL Scouting
Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:22 pm
by DEHog
Should have said "sleep"