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Well hopefully things have settled a bit in the Redskins front office.

So I'm going to take a stab at the draft.

Chances are Kirk plays at least one more year as a Redskin.
That being said it looks like both Garcon and Jackson will be gone. Kirk is going to need some receivers.

I am totally against drafting a WR in the 1st unless it's a can't miss WR who has everything like Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones. I don't see any of those type this year at WR. However tight end OJ Howard jumps off the charts as a can't miss type player.


I know we need help on defense but with the losses of Jackson and Garcon I think we need to draft help on offense to get an impact player who can start day one.
If Fournette, Cook or OJ Howard are there at no.17. Then I think we should draft one of these players. I know we have Jordan Reed but add Howard and we can run a double tight end similar to what New England ran a few years back.

The year that Zeke Elliot had last year makes me think both Cook and Fournette will be gone by no. 17. Also the safties Adams and Hooker will likely be gone as well.

If we go by best player available. I can make a strong argument that at no.17 Howard would be it. In fact O.J. Howard I can argue is the best player in the draft.

Howard is as fast as the best RBs this year while being 6"5" 250. He was also in my opinion the MVP of the National championship last year and was still huge in this year's championship.

Christian Mccaffrey should also be available at no.17. My only concern with Mccaffrey is he is a little light at RB and I wonder about durability. However he can also line up as a WR.

HEROHAMO wrote:Scotts not going to the draft this year.
So really I am horrified at the thought of Danny and Bruce in the draft room.

I usually get really excited during draft time. In all my years as a Skins fan the draft was when hope was renewed.

But now I hear the news that Scott our GM is not attending the most critical event for a talent evaluator?

Was this supposed to say the combine?

The year that Zeke Elliot had last year makes me think both Cook and Fournette will be gone by no. 17. Also the safties Adams and Hooker will likely be gone as well.

I hear you but....................Not so fast with that!

Trent Richardson was/is a BUST...!!! It really depends on the heart of a person: do you live, eat, breathe football?

DarthMonk wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Scotts not going to the draft this year.
So really I am horrified at the thought of Danny and Bruce in the draft room.

I usually get really excited during draft time. In all my years as a Skins fan the draft was when hope was renewed.

But now I hear the news that Scott our GM is not attending the most critical event for a talent evaluator?

Was this supposed to say the combine?

Well yes. I edited it.

High motor is what you want, then we should get J. Peppers.

Is he a LB or Safety?

With all that's happened in this off season. It's imperative to establish a running game this year. That being said to me it's clear we should draft Fournette, Cook or Mccaffrey at no.17.

A legit running game will make this offense even more potent and effective in the red zone. Kirk wants to be traded now but if he made a deep playoff runs I am sure he would stay and the F.O. would pay.

HEROHAMO wrote:With all that's happened in this off season. It's imperative to establish a running game this year. That being said to me it's clear we should draft Fournette, Cook or Mccaffrey at no.17.

A legit running game will make this offense even more potent and effective in the red zone. Kirk wants to be traded now but if he made a deep playoff runs I am sure he would stay and the F.O. would pay.

Agreed. My opinion is killer RB is #1 priority, my money is on Mack but very doubtful if any RB's still available at #17.

I appreciate what you guys are saying, but still too much of a luxury IMO. I'd take a d-line, ILB, even another o-lineman. I'm not sure how anyone watched our defense last year and can say a killer RB is "#1 priority".

riggofan wrote:I appreciate what you guys are saying, but still too much of a luxury IMO. I'd take a d-line, ILB, even another o-lineman. I'm not sure how anyone watched our defense last year and can say a killer RB is "#1 priority".

There are some backs worth taking a chance on in free agency. Anyone think Adrian Peterson or Jamaal Charles on a one year deal would be the worst idea?

hopefully we still draft the BPA - the way we've looked for and added players based on what needs we have is both old fashioned and has not worked - this franchise needs to add as many good YOUNG players as possible - we keep kidding ourselves that we're close to having a roster that only needs a few players to be consistently competitive - that clearly doesn't work in the modern NFL - you need a solid base

I'm hoping to see this franchise add good young players and then by the time we have some guys that know how to manage an NFL franchise and what players and coaches give the franchise the best chance at success, the roster will be stacked

another season of wishing and hoping - but that is who we've been since 1999 - rock on

SkinsJock wrote:hopefully we still draft the BPA - the way we've looked for and added players based on what needs we have is both old fashioned and has not worked - this franchise needs to add as many good YOUNG players as possible - we keep kidding ourselves that we're close to having a roster that only needs a few players to be consistently competitive - that clearly doesn't work in the modern NFL

I don't think we've drafted need in at least three years, but I still agree with your comment. Heard somewhere the other day that the team was still going off McCloughan's draft board btw! haha.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:hopefully we still draft the BPA - the way we've looked for and added players based on what needs we have is both old fashioned and has not worked - this franchise needs to add as many good YOUNG players as possible - we keep kidding ourselves that we're close to having a roster that only needs a few players to be consistently competitive - that clearly doesn't work in the modern NFL

I don't think we've drafted need in at least three years, but I still agree with your comment. Heard somewhere the other day that the team was still going off McCloughan's draft board btw! haha.

It's certainly a bit late to change very much, I'd think. And maybe — one can hope — his philosophy made a big impact on the scouting department while he was here. I would love to see the Skins continue that legacy, at least.

I totally understand that we all are almost conditioned to look at where we are lacking talented players and evaluating who would best fit that need and be a good complement to who we already have - that's just the way it is PLUS it's what happens at this time of year

I hope that we continue to build and that we do have people already in place that can help the clueless bozos who are in charge here:
step 1 - you have to have a good QB
step 2 - you need good big men (both lines) and have good depth along both lines
step 3 - almost all skill position players are talented at this level - having good depth is a plus

it'd be nice to have solid leadership from both the FO and the coaching staff

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:hopefully we still draft the BPA - the way we've looked for and added players based on what needs we have is both old fashioned and has not worked - this franchise needs to add as many good YOUNG players as possible - we keep kidding ourselves that we're close to having a roster that only needs a few players to be consistently competitive - that clearly doesn't work in the modern NFL

I don't think we've drafted need in at least three years, but I still agree with your comment. Heard somewhere the other day that the team was still going off McCloughan's draft board btw! haha.

Since the team is without a GM at the moment I'm not sure they're left with any options, although that is subject to change between now and the draft.

riggofan wrote:I appreciate what you guys are saying, but still too much of a luxury IMO. I'd take a d-line, ILB, even another o-lineman. I'm not sure how anyone watched our defense last year and can say a killer RB is "#1 priority".

If you ask yourself how can this team improve?

1. Defense Dline, Lb, FS
2. Red zone efficiency get a killer running game. Rb and maybe a one more good run blocking guard.

Our defense was close to last in most categories. Consider the fact that we have a new DC in Manusky. We just lost our GM in Scott.

The reality is now Allen and Snyder are making the picks. Do I believe Allen and Snyder can draft rounds 1-7 to remake this defense? Considering the defense needs 2 Dt, 2 to 3 lbs and 1 to 2 dbs FS maybe another cornerback. I honestly don't trust the current front office to rebuild even a top 15 defense.
If Scott or any other proven GM were making the picks I would have more confidence in going best available defensive player in which there are plenty in the draft. However it's highly unlikely the defense is going to be a top unit next season with all the unknowns.
I'm not saying ignore defense. I would like to draft defense rounds 2-7.

With the current front office. I think taking a chance on one of the 3 best RB prospects to add to an already solid unit vs drafting to fix a very bad defense. I think chance for success favors going RB.

Let's say we draft Caleb Brantley or Solomon Thomas? Which is still possible for Brantley in the 2nd round. How much does the team improve? Maybe top fifteen defense if that player pans out? Big maybe.

Now let's say we draft Fournette. That's just taking a chance on one pick vs trusting this front office to make several over 7 rounds to improve the defense.
If Fournette, Cook or Mccaffrey are drafted they will play behind a solid Oline. Red zone efficiency should improve. This offense would become truly elite with a good rushing attack.

All I'm saying is the possible return on investment in the 1st round of going RB vs defense is far greater for Rb then going defense.

The chances of hitting on one of the 3 best RB prospects is far stronger then let's say even if we drafted 7 consecutive defensive players. If Scott were making the choices then maybe.

Let's say we draft defense in all rounds. Let's say our defense improves to top 15. Let's say our offense performs the same as last season.
Do we beat the Cowboys, Giants or Eagles?

Top 15 defense is not stopping the pies. The Giants just got stronger with Brandon Marshall. The Eagles also improved with Alshon Jeffrey.

So I say it's urgent,imperative of the utmost importance to the future of this franchise to draft a game changing Rb.

Furthermore the Defensive tackle prospects this year are considered weak compared to the RBs.
An argument can be made that the defensive backs are great prospects. But like I said previously adding one piece to an already solid offensive unit vs adding one piece to a highly unknown. I'd rather us take a huge step forward with Rb.

oj wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:With all that's happened in this off season. It's imperative to establish a running game this year. That being said to me it's clear we should draft Fournette, Cook or Mccaffrey at no.17.

A legit running game will make this offense even more potent and effective in the red zone. Kirk wants to be traded now but if he made a deep playoff runs I am sure he would stay and the F.O. would pay.

Agreed. My opinion is killer RB is #1 priority, my money is on Mack but very doubtful if any RB's still available at #17.

I know this will be a controversial pick but Joe Mixon in the 4th would be an option to explore.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:hopefully we still draft the BPA - the way we've looked for and added players based on what needs we have is both old fashioned and has not worked - this franchise needs to add as many good YOUNG players as possible - we keep kidding ourselves that we're close to having a roster that only needs a few players to be consistently competitive - that clearly doesn't work in the modern NFL

I don't think we've drafted need in at least three years, but I still agree with your comment. Heard somewhere the other day that the team was still going off McCloughan's draft board btw! haha.

I read that report as well - I think that there's some good people here ...

the thing is, the 2 bozos don't know what it takes or where to look for information
we're a lot like the Trump administration, we have zero credibility and nobody with any sense is going to want to negotiate with us

i think if a player like Dalvin Cook, or McCaffrey for that matter, is still available at 17, then how can you pass them up? i agree with what HERO said about the return on a RB being greater then the return on say a DL. at 17 we wont get the definite impact player like Myles Garret, but Cook or McCaffery would make an immediate impact. No offense to what we have already at RB as i love Thompson. Jones and Fat Rob cant offer what Cook could. hes an every down back, doesnt have to come off the field. hell you can even line him up at a slot coming out of the backfield. he has great hands and so does McCaffrey, who also gives you a weapon in the return game if needed. I agree that we need defensive help more so than any other position, but if a player like that is available then you draft him. all the experts have said this is a very deep defensive draft, and i agree we should spend 3/4 of our picks on those needs.

NC_Skins_82 wrote:i agree with what HERO said about the return on a RB being greater then the return on say a DL. at 17 we wont get the definite impact player like Myles Garret, but Cook or McCaffery would make an immediate impact.

Wouldn't be my preference, but I think the point you are making about drafting an impact player at 17 is more valid than saying "we should draft a RB". If an elite running back is truly the BPA, best value at that pick, I wouldn't be disappointed.

I don't think you can ever go into a draft saying, "We need one of these and one of those and one or two of those." I think you always have to take the best talent on the board, at least in the first three rounds. After that, maybe you take a chance on a Kirk Cousins or a Keith Marshall. I really haven't done much videotape watching of any of these players yet but a few names stand out as players I'd be happy with the Skins drafting.

These are players expected to be on the board when the Redskins draft, according to one source. Don't @me about how someone won't be there when the Skins pick.

S JAMAL ADAMS - LSU
TE O.J. HOWARD - ALABAMA
EDGE DEREK BARNETT - TENNESSEE
EDGE TACO CHARLTON - MICHIGAN
RB CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY - STANFORD
OT CAM ROBINSON - ALABAMA
WR JOHN ROSS - WASHINGTON
EDGE HAASON REDDICK - TEMPLE
CB GAREON CONLEY - OHIO STATE
EDGE TAKKARIST MCKINLEY - UCLA
QB DESHONE KIZER - NOTRE DAME
DL MALIK MCDOWELL - MICHIGAN STATE
LB JABRILL PEPPERS - MICHIGAN
OT FORREST LAMP - WESTERN KENTUCKY
CB QUINCY WILSON - FLORIDA
S OBI MELIFONWU - CONNECTICUT
OT RYAN RAMCZYK - WISCONSIN

Even though you shouldn't draft for need I'm going to eliminate a few of these players based on the fact that you always draft for need in the 1st round unless you're loaded at every position. The Skins aren't.
I'm positive Jamal Adams won't make it to #17 but even if he did the Skins are set at safety.
John Ross is a pure speed receiver but they just signed Terrell Pryor.
Still, I doubt they pass on either of these two if they are on the board.

More realistically, I'd like to see them take Jabrill Peppers. Thanks to Trent Murphy being a druggie they need another pass rusher.

Good stuff man. Not sure about Murphy being a "druggie" but I'd be happy to see Peppers drafted. I like McDowell and Taco Charlton too.

Man. This stuff DC Sports Bog put up on Twitter this am is rough. I think he's kind of poking fun at the Redskins' spin, but still there is a point to be made about McCloughan's draft picks:

https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/ ... 1639479296

I think a few more of these guys will end up being OK, but its not exactly a genius haul out of those 17 picks. Its not wildly more successful than the Allen/Gruden 2014 draft. Out of eight picks they got five: Murphy, Moses, Long, Breeland and Grant. And they did that with no first round pick.

Maybe that means nothing but its worth looking at the actual results. The two McCloughan drafts are looking a bit shaky right now IMO.

riggofan wrote:

NC_Skins_82 wrote:i agree with what HERO said about the return on a RB being greater then the return on say a DL. at 17 we wont get the definite impact player like Myles Garret, but Cook or McCaffery would make an immediate impact.

Wouldn't be my preference, but I think the point you are making about drafting an impact player at 17 is more valid than saying "we should draft a RB". If an elite running back is truly the BPA, best value at that pick, I wouldn't be disappointed.

thats mainly what i was getting at. not saying we def should draft RB first round, but if a guy like that is still there then its a steal and you should jump on it. i read today where one the "experts" actually had Cook falling to us at 17. I would be happy if they took say Peppers or another defensive player at 17, as long as he's ready to contribute. i always liked Scot's "football player" approach.

If you draft BPA at #17, that would NOT be a nose tackle. So who is BPA at #17?

If you draft for NEED..........wow, so many options: LB, Foster or Cunningham; Safety...who? NT....who?

riggofan wrote:Good stuff man. Not sure about Murphy being a "druggie" but I'd be happy to see Peppers drafted. I like McDowell and Taco Charlton too.

Man. This stuff DC Sports Bog put up on Twitter this am is rough. I think he's kind of poking fun at the Redskins' spin, but still there is a point to be made about McCloughan's draft picks:

https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/ ... 1639479296

I think a few more of these guys will end up being OK, but its not exactly a genius haul out of those 17 picks. Its not wildly more successful than the Allen/Gruden 2014 draft. Out of eight picks they got five: Murphy, Moses, Long, Breeland and Grant. And they did that with no first round pick.

Maybe that means nothing but its worth looking at the actual results. The two McCloughan drafts are looking a bit shaky right now IMO.

You know what I mean. His suspension means the team needs another pass rusher. Not sure Preston Smith is "that guy." Maybe Junior Galette will finally be healthy but I certainly wouldn't hold my breath on it.

I've got to be honest though. At this point I expect this team to take several steps backwards. If Allen and company knew what they were doing they never would have brought McCloughan in to begin with.

I like Doug Williams as a possible GM, who has a ton of scouting experience, and I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt if I knew the front office would hire him and leave him the hell alone. But they won't. They have to *f$ck* with everyone and everything.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:You know what I mean. His suspension means the team needs another pass rusher. Not sure Preston Smith is "that guy." Maybe Junior Galette will finally be healthy but I certainly wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Yeah I wouldn't either.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I've got to be honest though. At this point I expect this team to take several steps backwards. If Allen and company knew what they were doing they never would have brought McCloughan in to begin with.

I like Doug Williams as a possible GM, who has a ton of scouting experience, and I would probably give him the benefit of the doubt if I knew the front office would hire him and leave him the hell alone. But they won't. They have to *f$ck* with everyone and everything.

I'd be happy to see Doug Williams get his opportunity. I could be wrong but I have the perception though that this is a power thing where Allen wants to continue to exert control over player signings and the draft. Maybe I'm wildly mistaken, but if that's the case just seems like what's the point hiring a GM at all.

Not sure about several steps backwards, but it seems like the rest of the division has made improvements this offseason. I'm not sure we're keeping pace at all.