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just read that Cleveland were looking to make Gus Bradley or Gregg Williams the DC - Bradley is apparently 'hoping' to get the DC job at Redskins and Williams has the weekend to decide

Hooligan wrote:

EA7649 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:The NC DB coach should be an upgrade. They lost Norman, and he had 2 rookies playing solid by the end of the year

True. Whoever we get will be an upgrade though

I don't think we're that short on talent. We're a disruptive lineman and a decent free safety away from being pretty solid, talent-wise. Many of the problems came from poor coaching, IMHO.

our defense will NOT improve by just adding a new DC - better players and the new DC might improve the defense

If Gregg Williams wants to come back he's my number one pick. If not then Gus Bradley. Wade Phillips doesn't strike me as that intrested in becoming a Redskin.

apparently others also feel that we need more than just a new DC ...

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-red ... oordinator

"Based on multiple conversations throughout the season, the Redskins know the talent level on defense must improve. They know there’s more work to do aside from just changing coordinators. They just have to now get it done."

SkinsJock wrote:

Hooligan wrote:I don't think we're that short on talent. We're a disruptive lineman and a decent free safety away from being pretty solid, talent-wise. Many of the problems came from poor coaching, IMHO.

our defense will NOT improve by just adding a new DC - better players and the new DC might improve the defense

We do need players, but a real DC like Wade Phillips would make a huge difference, even with the players we have now.

Deadskins wrote:We do need players, but a real DC like Wade Phillips would make a huge difference, even with the players we have now.

MAYBE - we'll never know for sure ......

SkinsJock wrote:apparently others also feel that we need more than just a new DC ...

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-red ... oordinator

"Based on multiple conversations throughout the season, the Redskins know the talent level on defense must improve. They know there’s more work to do aside from just changing coordinators. They just have to now get it done."

Your last post said a change in DC wouldn't make a difference, but now you, and the article you cite, are saying "not just" a change in DC. In other words, a change in DC would make a difference by itself, but there are other pieces necessary to make it a top unit. Not sure why you are winking and acting like you were correct all along.

Also, Hooligan said we needed a couple of players, but the biggest issue was coaching, which basically agrees with everything said.

Jay Gruden thinks that we need better defensive players - hopefully the new DC helps our defense as well

as I posted earlier ...

SkinsJock wrote:I'm not sure that anyone would have done much better - If Jay is OK with Joe Barry, let's just add some players

as Jay Gruden indicated, no matter who the new DC is, it's going to take a little while (2 seasons minimum) to make this defense into a top defensive unit because we need a number of good players + you can't expect a huge turnaround in 1 season by just changing DCs

SkinsJock wrote:as I posted earlier ...

SkinsJock wrote:I'm not sure that anyone would have done much better - If Jay is OK with Joe Barry, let's just add some players

as Jay Gruden indicated, no matter who the new DC is, it's going to take a little while (2 seasons minimum) to make this defense into a top defensive unit because we need a number of good players + you can't expect a huge turnaround in 1 season by just changing DCs

You can if he's good enough. I'm more in the same boat as Hooligan. We have some talent on D, but we need help at a few key positions, and a DC that knows how to put the players in the position to make plays.

A change in DC and 3 quality defensive players and we're a lot better.

Giants did it. Signed 3 good FAs and drafted Eli Apple in first...good d now.

I want a DC that changes back to 4-3.

fredp45 wrote:A change in DC and 3 quality defensive players and we're a lot better. Giants did it. Signed 3 good FAs and drafted Eli Apple in first ... good d now. I want a DC that changes back to 4-3.

you really aught to contact the FO and see if they'd let you have a chat with Jay Gruden

from what I'm hearing, anyone would be an upgrade at DC and going to the 4-3 is a sure-fire way to improve the D

Williams goes to the Brown stains...........

Williams to join Browns as defensive coordinator
Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports the Browns will hire Gregg Williams as their defensive coordinator.
Ray Horton is out as DC after only one season. Williams was unlikely to keep his job in Los Angeles under the team's new head coach (whoever it may be) and will now move cross-country to coach one of the league's worst defensive units. It will be interesting to see how the Browns configure their defense next season. They used a 3-4 scheme under Horton but Williams has traditionally coached 4-3 defenses.

good luck to Gregg - he'll be fine - a good DC will make even bad players play better and the Browns players are not that bad

I would imagine that a new DC would want a head coach that has a contract lasting more than this year. I think a QB signing a long term deal would want the same. Both lead me to believe Gruden will be extended soon.

chiefhog44 wrote:I would imagine that a new DC would want a head coach that has a contract lasting more than this year. I think a QB signing a long term deal would want the same. Both lead me to believe Gruden will be extended soon.

They might want that, but I doubt that either would demand it as a condition oF signing a contract. Even if they did, I don't think the Redskins would ever agree to that. For the new DC, there is too much competition for jobs to ever make such a demand, especially considering they might be the new HC candidate if Gruden got canned. For Kirk, they could just franchise him again and he would have no say. The Redskins may well extend Gruden, but it won't be to appease and incoming DC, or the current QB.

chiefhog44 wrote:I would imagine that a new DC would want a head coach that has a contract lasting more than this year. I think a QB signing a long term deal would want the same. Both lead me to believe Gruden will be extended soon.

This is the reason I think the Skins would look at Manusky.

fredp45 wrote:A change in DC and 3 quality defensive players and we're a lot better.

Giants did it. Signed 3 good FAs and drafted Eli Apple in first...good d now.

I want a DC that changes back to 4-3.

They line up in a 4-3 most of the time. I really haven't seen much of a 3-4 in DC anyways.

Had they lined up in a 3-4 one gap style rather than the normal two gap style only the nose being two gap I bet our defense would of at least been better at stopping the run. That just shows how bad Barry was. He was a 3-4 guy but chose to line up in a 4-3.

We would of had 3 d lineman instead of 2 that would of helped against the run. Kerrigan would still be on the edge opposite side same.

I watched many a time where our Dline would get pushed back 3 to four yards.

A good coach would make adjustments right away. For example against Dallas. We are getting killed against the run with our base defense.
A good coach would try beefing up the formation. Like adding an extra line backer with one high saftey.
Or adding an extra DT and linebacker with one saftey. Many things a good coach would try.

SkinsJock wrote:

fredp45 wrote:A change in DC and 3 quality defensive players and we're a lot better. Giants did it. Signed 3 good FAs and drafted Eli Apple in first ... good d now. I want a DC that changes back to 4-3.

you really aught to contact the FO and see if they'd let you have a chat with Jay Gruden

from what I'm hearing, anyone would be an upgrade at DC and going to the 4-3 is a sure-fire way to improve the D

How so? They were already lined up mostly with 2 Dts and 2 DEs. They rarely lined up in a 3-4.

Regardless of the defense that's ran a good coach and a few more players are needed.

I feel that having a few better players would have helped our defense a lot - at the end of the day, the HC is responsible and we need to do a much better job defensively or there may be more coaching changes next January

Wade Phillips is my #1 pick. Wouldn't mind Bradley either.

We may have lined up in a 4-3 a lot but we sure don't have 4-3 Lbs.

A 4-3 where we always rush 2 DEs -- Kerrigan/Murphy and Gallette/Smith AND 2 DT's like Baker/Hood and a new guy. DON'T make Kerrigan, Murphy, Smith, Gallette cover anyone. Find 3 LBS that can cover...that's the difference between the two defenses...

It isn't how many hands are in the dirt! Our Lbs are way too slow to cover anyone, that includes Compton and Foster. Compton or Foster might be an okay MLB in a 4-3. I've never liked taking a smallish DE from College and turning him into an OLB in a 3-4.

Could be Mike Pettine?

Redskins interview Mike Pettine for DC job
The Redskins interviewed Mike Pettine for their defensive coordinator job.
Fired by the Browns one year ago, Pettine spent all of 2016 out of football and is now looking to get back in. 50-year-old Pettine is a Rex Ryan disciple who coordinated the Bills' defense in 2013 and the Jets' defense in 2009-2012. Although we haven't heard Pettine's name much in a while, he would be an exciting hire for a Redskins defense that underachieved in 2016.

Pettine could turn The Redskins defense around.