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flamethrower wrote:That is a quality class.

Only if they induct this individual who's long overdue

flamethrower wrote: I want Coryell, Warner, Davis, Jacoby, and Tomlinson. That is a quality class.

Drew Pearson, 489 receptions, 7,822 receiving yards, 48 touchdowns, 3x pro bowler, 3x First team All-pro,
second team All - pro, Inducted into the Cowboys ring of honor, NFL all 70's all decade team, NFL
Alumni Career Achievement Award winner and Super bowl champion

snubbed by the Hall of Shame for induction, this is the guy who deserves it more than Tomlinson
Warner and others...and I want in immediately

flamethrower wrote:T Owens only would be worthy if a class has no other quality candidates. Numbers don't mean squat. I would have loved to see T Owens have to deal with the rules of the 70's. I bet he would have quit after 2 games.

I disagree on several points here

Owens antics in the 70's under coaches like Knoll & Landry wouldn't be tolerated!!
He would however thrive IF he had Roger Staubach, Ken Stabler, Bob Griese or
Terry Bradshaw chucking it up to him all the time...Not to mention he'd be a
multi super bowl winning athlete

back to reality!

T.O.'s #'s will mean something in time despite his antics with the popcorn,
pom, pom's, mocking the Patriots cheating by using a camera and yes, his
time for doing this classic which pissed off lots of people, well?? not those
who "hate" us



One day Canton will get their Popcorn Ready!!! it will certainly be a show

Agree on both points TC. Person is well deserving. Play in a era when you could maul the WR. I think he gets in as a Senior inductee.
While I didn't always agree with TO, he was great and he will make the PFHOF, the voters made sure he wasn't a first ballot.

DEHog wrote:Agree on both points TC. Person is well deserving.

No doubt well deserving

DEHog wrote:Played in a era when you could maul the WR.

Not to mention that Quarterbacks had their brains smashed in week
in and out, Dobler created the chop block to piss people off, Butkis
was biting players and guys like Duane Thomas was calling Landry
plastic

DEHog wrote:I think he gets in as a Senior inductee.

Sadly they'll do to him what they did to Bob Hayes, they'll wait
till he dies before he is honored which will be a damn shame

DEHog wrote:While I didn't always agree with TO, he was great and he will make the PFHOF, the voters made sure he wasn't a first ballot.

No doubt he makes the Hall of Fame eventually whether you loved/hated him he made it fun
watching your team trying to stop him (if they could?)

The fun stuff I was OK with is was the locker room that always bothered me.

Hopefully Drew is around for it!!

I hope so...would love to see at his induction the replay of the famous Hail Mary from Roger
as he approaches the podium to speak

TexasCowboy wrote:I already know his story tap dance around the issue all you like
still fails to explain why Norv can't get in?

You are the one tap dancing around facts. I explained it many times - in another thread. We should leave it there.

Contiue with the innuendo's all you want Monk but I'm not the one tap dancing around
anything you are

TexasCowboy wrote:Contiue with the innuendo's all you want Monk but I'm not the one tap dancing around
anything you are

That is precisely what you do - tap dance.

We present data coupled with logical arguments and you do the old soft shoe.

We don't use innuendo at all - rather we post things like ... statistics.

Are you really sure Norv Turner won 2 rings? Maybe that's just a vast conspiracy perpetrated by various big media sources like television and the newspapers.

Every fact we have cited is as definitive as the fact that he won two rings as a coordinator.

Dick LeBeau clearly got it in as a player and all you can do is deny it and call it the exception to the rule.

I have never seen weaker posts then those from you concerning this subject. Your posts have been completely ridiculous and absurd.

If you want to continue with this you should do it in the other thread.

"I eat liars for breakfast."...Judge Judy

More of Monk's innuendo's (debunked)

* falsely claims I've tapped dance

truth - I'm a straight razor as you
will no doubt see

* claims there is no grudge against Norv

Truth - not only is there a grudge, but a
great denial over this grudge..the reason
I know this to be true? Is based on earlier
conversations with them where they have
voiced their disgust over Norv

* claims I only look at his winning
as my only defense/crutch

Truth - I've taken Norv's entire career as
a whole and yes titles do Trump stats even
though to those who are brainwashed sheep
it's the other way around

so you see throw every bit of feces you want!!
nothing is sticking to the wall, You've lost this
rd to once again a "Cowboys fan" of all people
on your very own Message Board

Now hang your head in shame and go away

Your posts are getting worse. Leave if you want because no one is stopping you but yourself.

Only worse to liars who just flat out suck at lying...cause no matter which way you go?
I'm right there to debunk everything you've said

TexasCowboy wrote:Only worse to liars who just flat out suck at lying...cause no matter which way you go?
I'm right there to debunk everything you've said

Once again. I present facts and you post insults. You can't even admit you are weighing Norv's OC record more heavily than his HC record when you entire position hinges on it.

Your posts are horrible.

Norv has one of if not the worst HC record in NFL history. I've supported this with undeniable fact. Your response is to call me a tap dancer.

My posts are Mr. Spock. Your posts are Gregory Hines.

You present feces that claim sticks!! but never stuck, you claimed you think for yourself?
yet you present yourself as someone who..is spoon fed, NO, Monk the truth is? your little
grudge with Norv may have gone over with someone else

but it didn't work work with me

You brought up grudges. I've presented cold facts that you have excused away with a litany of insults.

Norv has 2 rings as a coordinator. The rest of his career has been abysmal. You have yet to present any evidence supporting HOF status for such a record. None.

We are still waiting.

Your posts on Norv getting into the HOF:

Yep I did bring up the grudge against him!! guess what? there is the truth/fact you are
searching for...deny it all you like but his less than stellar record in Washington does
not leave Redskins fans with warm fuzzy feelings regarding him

but you keep tap dancing

Truth has spoken

Hardly matters what team he did it for - the point is he sucked as a head coach and that's going to keep him out.

He was one of the worst if not the worst head coach ever regardless of any grudge anyone may or may not have.

I'm happy for you if it makes you feel better to think that I might have a grudge against him so go ahead and keep believing that but you still can't post a fact in support of Norv other than his accomplishments as an OC which again you weigh much more than anything else whether you want to admit it or not.

Again to state the simple fact that no coach has ever gotten into the Hall of Fame based on accomplishments as an OC or DC.

Here come more insults.

Of course it matters what team he did it for what doesn't matter?? is the fact/truth that he never
had to go out and win 10 more titles after (Dallas) That doesn't mean he didn't try! A for effort
but...your asking for a needle in a haystack trying to find the next Aikman, Emmitt and Irvin
on some other team?

Jimmy couldn't even find that in Miami...Indianapolis - Manning, Harrison, Tampa Bay
had issues repeating, New Orleans have had issues repeating, the Giants got close a
time or two, But had to wait till they got Eli before winning another title

you can't expect duplicated success every year! however, when success does come?
you can't dismiss it! Norv's two rings in Dallas count, whether you like it or not!!!!
They matter, to deny this is ignorant plan and simple

TexasCowboy wrote:Only worse to liars who just flat out suck at lying...cause no matter which way you go?
I'm right there to debunk everything you've said

On the other hand you're pretty good at it!!!

Says the man/woman who said...

Dak has thrown for 300 yards every game.
Levy was not a winner.
Norv is going into the PFHOF.
8 teams make the playoffs.
Wildcard teams play each other.
Lebeau in HOF as DC/coach
Hall created special category for Lebeau
SB wins trump any other records
Norv has 3 rings
Jerry Jones instituted Revenue Sharing
Winning isn't a requirement to get into the PFHOF
Turner is every bit as worthy as anyone else who has been enshrined into the PFHOF
Collinsworth, Jaworski, Esiason are in the HOF.
You get in the hall for "Trying your Best" and "Service to the NFL"

* never said Dak throws for 300 every game

* Levy isn't a winner

* Norv will get into the Hall of Fame

* 6 teams make it to the post
season (error) 4 wild, division winner,
+ 1

* wild card teams do play each other

* Never said they created a special
category for LeBeau

* Yes LeBeau is in the Hall (2010)

* Superbowl wins do trump all else

* Norv won 2 not 3 in Dallas

* Jerruh has helped in revenue sharing

* winning isn't a requirement to get in

* Turner is every bit as qualified

* Collinsworth, Esiason, Jaworski weren't
being implied as Hall of Famer's

* Service means something to the NFL

DEHog wrote: On the other hand you're pretty good at it!!!

Says the man/woman who said...

Dak has thrown for 300 yards every game.
Levy was not a winner.
Norv is going into the PFHOF.
8 teams make the playoffs.
Wildcard teams play each other.
Lebeau in HOF as DC/coach
Hall created special category for Lebeau
SB wins trump any other records
Norv has 3 rings
Jerry Jones instituted Revenue Sharing
Winning isn't a requirement to get into the PFHOF
Turner is every bit as worthy as anyone else who has been enshrined into the PFHOF
Collinsworth, Jaworski, Esiason are in the HOF.
You get in the hall for "Trying your Best" and "Service to the NFL"

Tell me when did they have an 16 team playoff. I am going with the 8 teams make the playoffs as per conference.
How did Norv get that 3rd one? He was the Head Coach of the Redskins when the turds beat the steelers. Does that mean that Wannstedt also got a ring for Super Bowl 30? Seeing that he was the Head Coach of the Chicago Bears.
Really is Norv Turner as deserving as Vince Lombardi? Or, Chuck Noll? Anyone with any sense would disagree.
When do the Wild Card teams play each other? Since the 4 divisional alignment. It can't happen. Ever. Unless the NFL expands to 36 teams and goes back to a 3 division alignment. Which probably won't ever happen.
Collinsworth, Esiason, and Jaworski are not in the Hall of Fame. Anyone with google can google the NFL Hall of fame and see who is in. Takes all of 30 seconds.
Prescott threw for 3,667 yards. Divide that by 16. You get 229.1875 yards per game. Someone can't even do simple math.

All these have been answered so stop repeating yourself

2016 NFL Playoffs
Wild Card round
Home team AFC South Division Champion Houston Texans vs Wild Card team Oakland Raiders.
How can a Divisional champ be a Wild Card?
Home Team NFC West Division Champion Seattle SeaHawks vs Wild Card team Detroit Lions.
Again How can a Divisional Champion be a Wild Card ?
Home team AFC North Division Champion Pittsburgh Steelers vs Wild Card Team Miami Dolphins.
Again How can a Divisional Champion be a Wild Card team?
Home team NFC North Division Champion Green Bay Packers vs Wild Card team New York Giants
Again explain how can a Divisional Champion be a Wild Card Team?
The NFL Has 8 Divisions. Each crowns it's own Division Champion. Those 4 teams get at least 1 home game during the playoffs.
The other 4 teams. Who by the way are the road teams during the playoffs. Are the Wild card teams. That goes back to when the NFL merged with the AFL.

Very good...6 made up of? 4 wild card team, 2 division leaders one of which has H.F.
through out (home field) those of you who didn't know

next

TexasCowboy wrote:* never said Dak throws for 300 every game

Yes you implied it.

* Levy isn't a winner

Can you provide his record?

* Norv will get into the Hall of Fame

Jimmy's not even in yet?

6 teams make it to the post
season (error) 4 wild, division winner,
+ 1

* wild card teams do play each other

Not in the first round like you said...

* Never said they created a special
category for LeBeau

And I quote...

The Hall decided to create a
special category so that he could be enshrined ahead of their own rules

* Yes LeBeau is in the Hall (2010)

As a DB

* Superbowl wins do trump all else

And yet Levy went in on his first year and Jimmy still waits!

* Norv won 2 not 3 in Dallas

We had to educate you!

* Jerruh has helped in revenue sharing

Didn't invent it!

* winning isn't a requirement to get in

Show me one coach with a losing record who is in the PFHOF?

* Turner is every bit as qualified

This might be your most ignorant post, and that's saying a lot!!

* Collinsworth, Esiason, Jaworski weren't
being implied as Hall of Famer's

Again I quote...

Levy, Marino, Cunningham, Tarkenton, Jaworski, Esianson, Collinsworth,
Non super bowl winners in the Hall of Fame

Service means something to the NFL

You said the Hall...if that was the case the Hall would need a bigger building!!

That building would be the largest building ever built if they did. It would be 1000 times larger than the current building that the HOF is in right now.
Not to mention all those head statues that are made out of Bronze. That would more than likely make a serious shortage of bronze. Seeing as how some moron thinks that Service to the NFL trumps all. Well then all former players, coaches, etc deserve to be in. Let's make equipment managers, and concession stand attendants if they work at a stadium for more than 5 years serving patrons that are watching nfl games in an nfl stadium be admitted into the nfl. Because they "Served the NFL". Just to show how stuuuupid this argument actually is. You been a fan of the NFL for 20 years, and have been to at least 4 games a year during this span. Do you qualify as "Service to the NFL"?