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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

hanburgerheel wrote:Just watching the elite teams of the NFL makes me realize how far removed Washington is from any of them.

In all of the years Snyder has been owner, not a single team was ever, remotely, Super Bowl worthy.

We were never gonna be SB worthy this year. We're still aiming towards consistency and competency. This is only year 2 of the McCloughan rebuild. It's going to take EVERY BIT of 4-5 years and the next step will be getting in a HC that he likes.

I wasn't really referring to THIS year, specifically. That's why I said "In all of the years Snyder has been owner..."

hanburgerheel wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

hanburgerheel wrote:Just watching the elite teams of the NFL makes me realize how far removed Washington is from any of them.

In all of the years Snyder has been owner, not a single team was ever, remotely, Super Bowl worthy.

We were never gonna be SB worthy this year. We're still aiming towards consistency and competency. This is only year 2 of the McCloughan rebuild. It's going to take EVERY BIT of 4-5 years and the next step will be getting in a HC that he likes.

I wasn't really referring to THIS year, specifically. That's why I said "In all of the years Snyder has been owner..."

Sure, you don't specify this year but you were inclusive of it. Hence my response.

IMHO, there are 5 games left on the schedule where the 'Skins might be either favored or reasonably expected to win. This offseason should be a great opportunity for McCloughan to have a killer draft and acquire a competent HC.

Yes, I'm saying "we'll get 'em next year". We are the Cleveland Browns.

I had NO delusions of this year's team being anywhere CLOSE to a Super Bowl team. This team will be worse than last year's (already is).

why are the Kirk Cousins fans not posting here - c'mon guys, let's hear something ... we're hearing words like poised and composed when talking about the pukes rookie QB and not Cousins who many here thought would prove to be a really good QB

is there any doubt that one of the better things this FO did was to NOT sign Cousins to any sort of contract that would have kept him here any longer than we need to confirm that he is just a good QB and not worth very much at all

YOU LIKE THAT ....

I did not see the game -- it started at 2 a.m. in my time zone, so I just checked the box score when I woke up. The first things that jumped out were that Matt Jones averaged 4.7 yards per carry(!), but that he only ran 13 times. Cousins had another 300+ game, but he threw 46 times. So why did we pass more than 3x more than we ran? Does that mean we were playing catch up the whole game? Doesn't look like it. It was a 3 point game at halftime and we had the lead going into the fourth quarter.

That looks like bad play calling to me.

Snout wrote:I did not see the game -- it started at 2 a.m. in my time zone, so I just checked the box score when I woke up. The first things that jumped out were that Matt Jones averaged 4.7 yards per carry(!), but that he only ran 13 times. Cousins had another 300+ game, but he threw 46 times. So why did we pass more than 3x more than we ran? Does that mean we were playing catch up the whole game? Doesn't look like it. It was a 3 point game at halftime and we had the lead going into the fourth quarter.

That looks like bad play calling to me.

Jay Gruden refusing to run the ball as usual. Running the ball with a yard to go without Jones but Thompson.

The biggest reason we lost this particular game is there were three occasions when Kirk Cosins had a receiver wide open behind the defense and two times he threw it over that guys head and the third time he was so worried about doing it again that he made the guy stop and turn around in order to catch the ball.

He then compounded that final terrible throw by throwing a pick in the end zone while moving backwards and to his left.

Gruden may not be a viable head coach in the NFL as many have said but he did call plays that got guys wide open behind a defense that should have resulted in 21 points but for the poor execution of Kirk Cousins.

DarthMonk wrote:The biggest reason we lost this particular game is there were three occasions when Kirk Cosins had a receiver wide open behind the defense and two times he threw it over that guys head and the third time he was so worried about doing it again that he made the guy stop and turn around in order to catch the ball.

He then compounded that final terrible throw by throwing a pick in the end zone while moving backwards and to his left.

Gruden may not be a viable head coach in the NFL as many have said but he did call plays that got guys wide open behind a defense that should have resulted in 21 points but for the poor execution of Kirk Cousins.

^^^Truth^^^

Cousins cost us the game.

The regressions of Kirk Cousins and Bashaud Breeland are what is killing this team so far. I'll be the first to admit that Cousins blew that game yesterday with the 2 over throws and that pick in the end zone, but I still think he'll right the ship and turn around a more consistent and better season.

What was expected honestly. I don't care about the argument of the coaches know more about football than you do. Jay Gruden has no business being a HC and Joe Barry has no business being the DC. This coaching staff along with Sean McVay are laughable. If Scot was worth his weight he would be looking for replacements. This team won't win 4 games this year. I see 2-14 or maybe 3-13. Kirk Cousins is nothing but a backup. 20 million wasted on him and we could have used that money on a center and nose tackle. Can someone call Snyder and have him fire Barry and have Fewell as interim DC. Man I thought this defense was bad under Jim Haslett and they hired someone that is even worse! This organization never ceases to amaze me with it's bass ackwards signings and coach choices. Who does the Redskins whiff on next draft? I see the number pick by the Redskins!

StorminMormon86 wrote:The regressions of Kirk Cousins and Bashaud Breeland are what is killing this team so far. I'll be the first to admit that Cousins blew that game yesterday with the 2 over throws and that pick in the end zone, but I still think he'll right the ship and turn around a more consistent and better season.

Regression of Cousins? Cousins is who he is. What were you one of the fooled sheeple last year because of the last 7 games? News Flash my friend, Kirk Cousins is the same player that always throws picks. He got lucky last year as did the Redskins winning the division. Breeland is fine, it's the play calling and lack of preparation by this incompetent defensive coordinator. Joe Barry calls pathetic plays, doesn't properly prepare his team and then tells the media they can't cover 1 on 1 because it's too difficult. So he basically is saying his secondary is too stupid. Do you really think this defense is going to want to play for this fool who shouldn't be a DC in the first place? What has he done to prove he is DC material? Was his tenure in Detroit a reason? Was his Linebacking unit in San Diego tops in the league? I mean the Redskins could have hired Wade Phillips who is now running his defense in Denver. But nope again the front office is showing how utterly terrible it is. All these holes to fill and we pick a WR with our first pick. He looks real good huh? Our Center is terrible YET AGAIN. We have no pure NT to run a 3-4 and the penalties are also very telling. This coaching staff is about as incompetent as Jim Zorn's staff was.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Regression of Cousins? Cousins is who he is. What were you one of the fooled sheeple last year because of the last 7 games? News Flash my friend, Kirk Cousins is the same player that always throws picks. He got lucky last year as did the Redskins winning the division.

And...

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Breeland is fine, it's the play calling and lack of preparation by this incompetent defensive coordinator.

Got it. Breeland is fine, it's Barry's fault he sucks. Cousins just sucks because he sucks. You mean to tell me that if McVay actually called something other than a fade to Doctson in the red zone, and we scored this discussion is totally null and void?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Regression of Cousins? Cousins is who he is. What were you one of the fooled sheeple last year because of the last 7 games? News Flash my friend, Kirk Cousins is the same player that always throws picks. He got lucky last year as did the Redskins winning the division.

And...

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Breeland is fine, it's the play calling and lack of preparation by this incompetent defensive coordinator.

Got it. Breeland is fine, it's Barry's fault he sucks. Cousins just sucks because he sucks. You mean to tell me that if McVay actually called something other than a fade to Doctson in the red zone, and we scored this discussion is totally null and void?

It is Barry's fault that he isn't putting Breeland in the best possible position to win. Do you think we would have the same results with Bill Belichick? Jay Gruden and his Arena League Offense sucks just like him. He is only in the NFL because of his brother. Jay couldn't make it as a NFL player and his sorry ass isn't making it as a HC either. However I deduce that there are too many fools who can't see the forest for the trees. Cause hey giving a QB 20 million for 1 year because he stopped throwing interceptions to teams without a winning record was and is warranted right? I mean heck we don't need a center, or a pure nose tackle for this 3-4 defense we run. I mean that first round pick of a WR when we have arguably one of the best receiving corps in the league is also a issue that doesn't warrant discussion cause hey Jay Gruden and Joe Barry know so much right? Seems to be the only thing they know is how to lose and how not to be a good coaches. Cincinnati has gotten better since he left doesn't that tell you anything? San Diego's linebackers have gotten better since Barry left. Doesn't that also tell you something? Or do you still love wearing your burgundy colored homer glasses?

Breeland never once checked Dez at the line. Norman did it every time. A few times Breeland moved up like he was going to, but then backed out just before the snap. Cousins was no more accurate this week than he was last week. He is still throwing high or low, and behind receivers. It doesn't help that we also have to beat the refs every game. Garcon had a TD taken away when he got undressed in the endzone. We settled for a FG. That proved to be the difference in the final score.

Deadskins wrote:Garcon had a TD taken away when he got undressed in the endzone. We settled for a FG. That proved to be the difference in the final score.

I missed that play, but just saw the replay. That too would have changed the discussion this week.

Let the meltdown begin!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:This team has been undisciplined under Gruden from the start. Amongst a myriad of other reasons... I think there's a strong possibility he isn't back next week.

Fixed.

Hahahaha. I wasn't expecting that. Can you imagine if this losing streak continues past next week... It might just happen. At least we'll have a real GM conducting a search this time. I bet you Jim Harbaugh will get courted.

If the Skins go 0-3 there is zero chance Gruden is around to go 0-4.

SkinsJock wrote:why are the Kirk Cousins fans not posting here - c'mon guys, let's hear something ... we're hearing words like poised and composed when talking about the pukes rookie QB and not Cousins who many here thought would prove to be a really good QB

is there any doubt that one of the better things this FO did was to NOT sign Cousins to any sort of contract that would have kept him here any longer than we need to confirm that he is just a good QB and not worth very much at all

YOU LIKE THAT ....

OK, I was a fan. I made the case, as well as others, that he was the better choice over RG3. He still is better than RG3 -- even when that prima donna is healthy. That being said, Cousins doesn't have the mental strength to overcome adversity. Whether that adversity is a tough defense or simply high expectations, he doesn't seem well adept to handling the pressure. No one can fix that for him.

Even with his flaws, though, Cousins is still a better quarterback than RG3. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to be our long term answer. LOL at that.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:If the Skins go 0-3 there is zero chance Gruden is around to go 0-4.

Zero chance? I'd bet the odds are closer to 99% that he'd still be here. Scot doesn't seem like the type to cut bait mid-season, much less three games in.

Deadskins wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:If the Skins go 0-3 there is zero chance Gruden is around to go 0-4.

Zero chance? I'd bet the odds are closer to 99% that he'd still be here. Scot doesn't seem like the type to cut bait mid-season, much less three games in.

Me either but you might see a DC go??

DEHog wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:If the Skins go 0-3 there is zero chance Gruden is around to go 0-4.

Zero chance? I'd bet the odds are closer to 99% that he'd still be here. Scot doesn't seem like the type to cut bait mid-season, much less three games in.

Me either but you might see a DC go??

One can only hope. However I see too much of the same. Barry should have never been hired.

DEHog wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:If the Skins go 0-3 there is zero chance Gruden is around to go 0-4.

Zero chance? I'd bet the odds are closer to 99% that he'd still be here. Scot doesn't seem like the type to cut bait mid-season, much less three games in.

Me either but you might see a DC go??

Barry wasn't given jack crap to work with on the front seven. Yes, he was given Norman but that does nothing for the lack of a pass rush or the inability to stop an A gap run. At least Cravens is a beast.

Gruden's quarterback was paid $20MM and he was given every weapon he could possibly want or need. Even role players like Vernon Davis and Josh Doctson made Dallas look silly when Cousins actually got them the damn ball, as someone once infamously said. Matt Jones averaged 4.7 yards a carry in that game, so you can't blame the lack of an effective running game. Between a head coach who always seems to make the wrong call and a quarterback who was guaranteed $20MM it seems absolutely unfathomable the team would bench the starting QB before they can the head coach. Sean McVay couldn't possibly coach the team any worse than this. And he might be more qualified than Gruden to be an NFL head coach.

Let's remind ourselves for a moment what the expectations were for this season. Ten or eleven wins, some were predicting. This is a six win team. Maybe. Someone is going to pay for it.

Agreed I just think it would be a Gruden move....much like Rex firing his OC after the Jets game?

Your kidding right? Barry wasn't given jack crap? Kerrigan, Smith, Cravens, Hood, Baker shall I go on? The issue is this isn't a qualified DC and he doesn't prepare his team correctly. There is more than enough talent on the defense, however when you have a DC that can't adjust and doesn't properly get his players prepared and then calls them out and say that covering 1 on 1 is too complicated is or should be his death sentence as it relates to being the DC here. This team went and hired someone worse than Haslett! Would you be claiming this if we hire Wade Phillips LIKE A QUALIFIED FRONT OFFICE WOULD HAVE? Nope you hire a DC with a 0-16 record in Detroit and to actually think he was a good choice shows me how dysfunctional this team is. How about Gruden drafting a WR in the first round knowing we need a center and or a nose tackle. Why draft a WR with all these glaring holes to fill when you have one of the top receiving corps in the league? Why because they are backwards thinking fools. Sean McVay, Gruden and Barry are pathetic and don't give me that they are very well respected bullcrap! They are remedial at best and this team will always lose with these fools here. That is just fact.