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Countertrey wrote:What a complete load of rubbish.

Denial at it's finest folks,

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/opinion/falco-italian-immigrants/

CNN

http://xpatnation.com/signs-of-discrimination-irish-americans-had-to-put-up-with/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-German_sentiment

http://www.asian-nation.org/racism.shtml

http://immigrationtounitedstates.org/350-anti-semitism.html

Care to tell us what part is rubbish or are you going to just go on
and babble like a clueless idiot, denying the facts sitting right in
front of you?

1: How does a personal attack make your argument better (last warning, btw).
2: The use of crafted and deliberately slanted opinion as proof is pathetic. Rubbish is rubbish...

So truth is rubbish because in your eyes it fails to prove what you just don't want to accept?

TexasCowboy wrote:So truth is rubbish because in your eyes it fails to prove what you just don't want to accept?

When did fringe opinion become fact? There are places where I cannot go because I appear European. I have been assaulted because I am white. Should I draw general conclusions about a culture or "race" based upon that? Based upon your "evidence", that answer would be yes. That, of course, is rubbish.

Countertrey wrote:There are places where I cannot go because I appear European. I have been assaulted because I am white.

That, of course, should not be the case. But there are a lot more places people of African descent cannot go, or who have been assaulted, just because of their skin color. To make matters worse, it is, too often, the very people who should be offering protection, that are exercising the discrimination, and doing the assaulting. I highly doubt you've ever been stopped and questioned based on your skin color.

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There are places where I cannot go because I appear European. I have been assaulted because I am white.

That, of course, should not be the case. But there are a lot more places people of African descent cannot go, or who have been assaulted, just because of their skin color. To make matters worse, it is, too often, the very people who should be offering protection, that are exercising the discrimination, and doing the assaulting. I highly doubt you've ever been stopped and questioned based on your skin color.

I actually have been... Washington, DC in 1969. Black cop. Near 14th and Euclid, NW. I have heard that there has been some "gentrification" around there now... It was not the case then. I had driven a friend home in my dad's beat up 1955 Buick (a symbol of my white privilege). FTR,I have also been refused an internship because I was white. Assumptions suck... and yours is wrong.

You can't improve things by justifying getting even, or excusing riots, or accepting disrespect towards people who are your customer base. Regardless, I acknowledge the right to protest. I also reserve the right to call out what I perceive to be disrespect and to declare my own right to free political speech, and voice my opinion that these "protests" serve no purpose but to stick a finger in the eye of many thousands of Americans whom had done nothing to warrant it. You even get to declare your "victimization" by my use of free speech... I will not, however, declare my opinion to be fact, nor will I create exaggerations of truth, and state them as fact, in my defense (unlike a few others).

But, you DO NOT get to tell me that Kaepernick's right should in any way be superior to mine, or that this highly privileged young man has somehow experienced a "victimization" that I, in my privileged lower middle class life as the son if a bus driver who worked on average 16 hours a day, have never known. My expressions of contempt for his behavior do not prevent him from exercising his right. Rubbish is rubbish.

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There are places where I cannot go because I appear European. I have been assaulted because I am white.

That, of course, should not be the case. But there are a lot more places people of African descent cannot go, or who have been assaulted, just because of their skin color. To make matters worse, it is, too often, the very people who should be offering protection, that are exercising the discrimination, and doing the assaulting. I highly doubt you've ever been stopped and questioned based on your skin color.

I actually have been... Washington, DC in 1969. Black cop. Near 14th and Euclid, NW. I have heard that there has been some "gentrification" around there now... It was not the case then. I had driven a friend home in my dad's beat up 1955 Buick (a symbol of my white privilege). FTR,I have also been refused an internship because I was white. Assumptions suck... and yours is wrong.

You can't improve things by justifying getting even, or excusing riots, or accepting disrespect towards people who are your customer base. Regardless, I acknowledge the right to protest. I also reserve the right to call out what I perceive to be disrespect and to declare my own right to free political speech, and voice my opinion that these "protests" serve no purpose but to stick a finger in the eye of many thousands of Americans whom had done nothing to warrant it. You even get to declare your "victimization" by my use of free speech... I will not, however, declare my opinion to be fact, nor will I create exaggerations of truth, and state them as fact, in my defense (unlike a few others).

But, you DO NOT get to tell me that Kaepernick's right should in any way be superior to mine, or that this highly privileged young man has somehow experienced a "victimization" that I, in my privileged lower middle class life as the son if a bus driver who worked on average 16 hours a day, have never known. My expressions of contempt for his behavior do not prevent him from exercising his right. Rubbish is rubbish.

I have never tried to abridge your rights, nor anyone else's. I also never suggested you had a privileged upbringing, only that you might possibly consider that others, who are non-white, have faced far more discrimination than you. I'd love to hear you explain how I'm "justifying getting even, or excusing riots." And, how exactly, am I declaring my "victimization" by your use of free speech? When did I tell you "that Kaepernick's right should in any way be superior to [yours]?" Forgive me if I don't share your opinion that these protests' purpose is to stick a finger in anyone's eye or disrespect any group of Americans.

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:There are places where I cannot go because I appear European. I have been assaulted because I am white.

That, of course, should not be the case. But there are a lot more places people of African descent cannot go, or who have been assaulted, just because of their skin color. To make matters worse, it is, too often, the very people who should be offering protection, that are exercising the discrimination, and doing the assaulting. I highly doubt you've ever been stopped and questioned based on your skin color.

I actually have been... Washington, DC in 1969. Black cop. Near 14th and Euclid, NW. I have heard that there has been some "gentrification" around there now... It was not the case then. I had driven a friend home in my dad's beat up 1955 Buick (a symbol of my white privilege). FTR,I have also been refused an internship because I was white. Assumptions suck... and yours is wrong.

You can't improve things by justifying getting even, or excusing riots, or accepting disrespect towards people who are your customer base. Regardless, I acknowledge the right to protest. I also reserve the right to call out what I perceive to be disrespect and to declare my own right to free political speech, and voice my opinion that these "protests" serve no purpose but to stick a finger in the eye of many thousands of Americans whom had done nothing to warrant it. You even get to declare your "victimization" by my use of free speech... I will not, however, declare my opinion to be fact, nor will I create exaggerations of truth, and state them as fact, in my defense (unlike a few others).

But, you DO NOT get to tell me that Kaepernick's right should in any way be superior to mine, or that this highly privileged young man has somehow experienced a "victimization" that I, in my privileged lower middle class life as the son if a bus driver who worked on average 16 hours a day, have never known. My expressions of contempt for his behavior do not prevent him from exercising his right. Rubbish is rubbish.

I have never tried to abridge your rights, nor anyone else's. I also never suggested you had a privileged upbringing, only that you might possibly consider that others, who are non-white, have faced far more discrimination than you. I'd love to hear you explain how I'm "justifying getting even, or excusing riots." And, how exactly, am I declaring my "victimization" by your use of free speech? When did I tell you "that Kaepernick's right should in any way be superior to [yours]?" Forgive me if I don't share your opinion that these protests' purpose is to stick a finger in anyone's eye or disrespect any group of Americans. As you said, "Rubbish is rubbish."

Pretty cool that Chip Kelly sent Kap in to "kneel" on the last series in week 1.

IMO Kap can kneel all he wants. I hope he doesn't expect me to care though I couldn't care less whether he expects me to care or not.

I stand for the anthem. I have sung it for a game but when not performing it I'm usually silent. I generally do not put my hand over my heart.

A much more unpatriotic act than kneeling or not putting one's hand over one's heart is to surgically deny the voting rights of minorities in several southern/swing states - an action from which many republicans seem to derive great glee.

Deadskins wrote: I have never tried to abridge your rights, nor anyone else's. I also never suggested you had a privileged upbringing, only that you might possibly consider that others, who are non-white, have faced far more discrimination than you. I'd love to hear you explain how I'm "justifying getting even, or excusing riots." And, how exactly, am I declaring my "victimization" by your use of free speech? When did I tell you "that Kaepernick's right should in any way be superior to [yours]?" Forgive me if I don't share your opinion that these protests' purpose is to stick a finger in anyone's eye or disrespect any group of Americans. As you said, "Rubbish is rubbish."

OTOH, you certainly did assume that I would have no experience as a "victim" of racism. You have no idea, beyond what I shared above, what I have experienced... (enough to know that, despite all, most Americans have no idea what actual poverty is) I have made a number of assumptions about your intent... perhaps going overboard. I imagine I lumped your response in with a few others. I apologize for that...

BTW... most of my impression of Kaepernick stems from the fact that, initially, he was just sitting, slouched, during the Anthem. Had he actually stood with team mates, and took a knee at the time of the Anthem, my opinion of his behavior would be much different. Once called out, he came up with the "protest" and assumed the much less disrespectful pose... but, to start, made no announcement. He was simply being a disrespectful ass, IMO.

DarthMonk wrote:Pretty cool that Chip Kelly sent Kap in to "kneel" on the last series in week 1.

IMO Kap can kneel all he wants. I hope he doesn't expect me to care though I couldn't care less whether he expects me to care or not.

I stand for the anthem. I have sung it for a game but when not performing it I'm usually silent. I generally do not put my hand over my heart.

A much more unpatriotic act than kneeling or not putting one's hand over one's heart is to surgically deny the voting rights of minorities in several southern/swing states - an action from which many republicans seem to derive great glee.

The falsehood, here is that Gerrymandering only happens in the south... but, maybe that's none of my business...

^^^ I was not referring to gerrymandering and also I was very careful to write southern/swing states.

So no mention of gerrymandering and no limiting myself to the south.

No falsehood.

DarthMonk wrote:^^^ I was not referring to gerrymandering and also I was very careful to write southern/swing states.

So no mention of gerrymandering and no limiting myself to the south.

No falsehood.

Yep. Google "ChoicePoint 2000 election" for an example of what Darth is referring to.

Before I address the quotes - Let me just say that part of society's "issues" Is that whenever
Hollywood makes a movie about real life events involving "race" or "religion" we immediately
take it to heart and find someway to implement it whenever we do something wrong and we
know we're going to get caught, Rather than the alternative which is owning up to what we've
done wrong and facing the consequences of our actions like men, Just because man may not
have forgiveness in their hearts doesn't mean there isn't forgiveness, So perhaps it's time we
stopped worrying about what others think of us! and start worrying about the 1 whose opinion
does matter the most

Countertrey wrote:When did fringe opinion become fact?

You say they're opinion perhaps digging further reveals more?

Countertrey wrote:There are places where I cannot go because I appear European. I have been assaulted because I am white. Should I draw general conclusions about a culture or "race" based upon that? Based upon your "evidence", that answer would be yes. That, of course, is rubbish.

Never been assaulted for color of skin, but I never said draw any conclusion about culture or race,
I am addressing the elephant in the room! the part that is wrong, We are called to love one another
however free will is still in play, So that decision is yours and yours alone...However saying what's
wrong is in no way a judgement against the person, just the action itself, however society is so
afraid now because we've been brainwashed into believing that we're judging people, we find all
the excuses including the use of race as our get out of trouble free card!! Well it doesn't fly esp
when we blame everyone else for our own life troubles

Morgan Freeman as Joe Clark said it best in Lean on Me

My motto is simple: If you do not succeed in life, I don't want you to blame your parents. I don't want you to blame the White Man. I want you to blame yourselves. The responsibility is yours!

Nobody is in charge of your life but you!!! your parents raised you best they could,
"education"/"government" is a failure on many levels but nobody is responsible for
the actions of your ways but you, plain and simple, You can either be a victim or
someone who pushes past it all and overcomes

Many athletes, movie stars, grew up poor as dirt, oppressed and managed
a life only 1 can imagine..so if they can do it, then why can't we?

DarthMonk wrote:^^^ I was not referring to gerrymandering and also I was very careful to write southern/swing states.

So no mention of gerrymandering and no limiting myself to the south.

No falsehood.

Really? WTH are you talking about?

TexasCowboy wrote:Before I address the quotes - Let me just say that part of society's "issues" Is that whenever
Hollywood makes a movie about real life events involving "race" or "religion" we immediately
take it to heart and find someway to implement it whenever we do something wrong and we
know we're going to get caught, Rather than the alternative which is owning up to what we've
done wrong and facing the consequences of our actions like men, Just because man may not
have forgiveness in their hearts doesn't mean there isn't forgiveness, So perhaps it's time we
stopped worrying about what others think of us! and start worrying about the 1 whose opinion
does matter the most

Countertrey wrote:When did fringe opinion become fact?

You say they're opinion perhaps digging further reveals more?

Countertrey wrote:There are places where I cannot go because I appear European. I have been assaulted because I am white. Should I draw general conclusions about a culture or "race" based upon that? Based upon your "evidence", that answer would be yes. That, of course, is rubbish.

Never been assaulted for color of skin, but I never said draw any conclusion about culture or race,
I am addressing the elephant in the room! the part that is wrong, We are called to love one another
however free will is still in play, So that decision is yours and yours alone...However saying what's
wrong is in no way a judgement against the person, just the action itself, however society is so
afraid now because we've been brainwashed into believing that we're judging people, we find all
the excuses including the use of race as our get out of trouble free card!! Well it doesn't fly esp
when we blame everyone else for our own life troubles

Morgan Freeman as Joe Clark said it best in Lean on Me

My motto is simple: If you do not succeed in life, I don't want you to blame your parents. I don't want you to blame the White Man. I want you to blame yourselves. The responsibility is yours!

Nobody is in charge of your life but you!!! your parents raised you best they could,
"education"/"government" is a failure on many levels but nobody is responsible for
the actions of your ways but you, plain and simple, You can either be a victim or
someone who pushes past it all and overcomes

Many athletes, movie stars, grew up poor as dirt, oppressed and managed
a life only 1 can imagine..so if they can do it, then why can't we?

Interesting... other than continued efforts to turn opinion into fact, you reinforce my points...

What did we think about the 4 Redskins raising their fists?

DEHog wrote:What did we think about the 4 Redskins raising their fists?

I think they should be allowed to raise their fists, or their middle fingers, or kneel, or have their dicks out for Harambe, or use any other non-violent means of protest.

DEHog wrote:What did we think about the 4 Redskins raising their fists?

During the Anthem? Or do you mean when Norman bumped the ref? 'Cause that was to signify 4th down, not to protest.

Countertrey wrote:Interesting... other than continued efforts to turn opinion into fact, you reinforce my points...

In actuality you reinforce mine...see you think it's my job to prove the point, when in fact it's your job
to do the research and find out the facts for yourself, but in your eyes only the media speaks the gospel
truth because they have been educated by a lying system, all the rest just speak opinion...Which tells me
all I need to know

TexasCowboy wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Interesting... other than continued efforts to turn opinion into fact, you reinforce my points...

In actuality you reinforce mine...see you think it's my job to prove the point, when in fact it's your job
to do the research and find out the facts for yourself, but in your eyes only the media speaks the gospel
truth because they have been educated by a lying system, all the rest just speak opinion...Which tells me
all I need to know

When you post opinion pieces as fact, you are simply claiming opinion to be fact. That is... rubbish.

And... when you make an argument... it's not my job to prove it for you. If your argument is weak, that's on you, not me.

Countertrey wrote:When you post opinion pieces as fact, you are simply claiming opinion to be fact. That is... rubbish.

And... when you make an argument... it's not my job to prove it for you. If your argument is weak, that's on you, not me.

What's rubbish is your not disputing the claims, all your doing is dismissing them which again tells me a lot!
you don't want to be bothered by doing the actual leg work instead you just want to blurt out "rubbish" all he's
doing is throwing out opinions and being argumentative which is a weak attempt to discredit

TexasCowboy wrote:

Countertrey wrote:When you post opinion pieces as fact, you are simply claiming opinion to be fact. That is... rubbish.

And... when you make an argument... it's not my job to prove it for you. If your argument is weak, that's on you, not me.

What's rubbish is your not disputing the claims, all your doing is dismissing them which again tells me a lot!
you don't want to be bothered by doing the actual leg work instead you just want to blurt out "rubbish" all he's
doing is throwing out opinions and being argumentative which is a weak attempt to discredit

This from a man who can't recognize an incomplete pass...

I actually proved in fact it was a completed pass but once again all you wanted to believe
was the lie that it wasn't

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:^^^ I was not referring to gerrymandering and also I was very careful to write southern/swing states.

So no mention of gerrymandering and no limiting myself to the south.

No falsehood.

Really? WTH are you talking about?

I am talking about literally taking away voting rights for nefarious reasons. Pennsylvania and Ohio are not in the south but they are swing states.

If your name is Jose Garcia and you wait in line for 4 hours in Cleveland or Pittsburgh you may be challenged at the booth (all because there are other Jose Garcia's and you are likely to vote Democrat and you "look" immigrant-ish) and have no way to vote - even with good ID.

Gerrymandering is a manipulating of boundaries which I never mentioned.