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I totally agree that stats are 'useful' when used properly but a QB's primary job is to find a way to help his team win games through his leadership and his play - Cousins is getting $19M to play and he wanted more

I just want to see Cousins take advantage of this opportunity to show that he's a good QB and fixing his red zone accuracy stat would be a good place to start

good QBs find a way to get it done no matter who is on the field with them

SkinsJock wrote:I totally agree that stats are 'useful' when used properly but a QB's primary job is to find a way to help his team win games through his leadership and his play - Cousins is getting $19M to play and he wanted more

I just want to see Cousins take advantage of this opportunity to show that he's a good QB and fixing his red zone accuracy stat would be a good place to start

good QBs find a way to get it done no matter who is on the field with them

Tell that to 0-3 terrible QB, Drew Brees.

Prowl33 wrote:You can't ONLY blame that on him.

Yes I can. He completed 67% of his passes under those exact same conditions last season. With fewer weapons.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I totally agree that stats are 'useful' when used properly but a QB's primary job is to find a way to help his team win games through his leadership and his play - Cousins is getting $19M to play and he wanted more

I just want to see Cousins take advantage of this opportunity to show that he's a good QB and fixing his red zone accuracy stat would be a good place to start

good QBs find a way to get it done no matter who is on the field with them

Tell that to 0-3 terrible QB, Drew Brees.

No kidding. And this is coming from the poster that said RGIII would be a star once he had adequate support from the players around him....

Cousins doesn't have much support out there other than 2 very good WRs and 1 very good TE. He's got a bad OL and bad RB. We need to fix our OL next year, in particular the C, OG, and RT. Outside of DL, that is the top priority. This team still has a good ways to go.

I agree that Cousins needs to work on his RZ offense, but when you literally don't have a run game, it makes it VERY difficult. We need to commit to the run game. For example, even last week it wasn't effective, but at least it made the NYG DEF stay honest. We are still passing on 69% of our passing plays, which is 3rd in the league and still way too high.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I'll give you a relevant stat: 5-17. Cousin's red zone accuracy thus far this season.

How about this stat Cousins has not won 1 game as a Redskin when the team is favored by 7 or more points. I wonder what will happen if Cleveland wins Sunday. I wonder what will be the excuses for Joe Barry and Gruden then......

markshark84 wrote:Cousins doesn't have much support out there other than 2 very good WRs and 1 very good TE. He's got a bad OL and bad RB. We need to fix our OL next year, in particular the C, OG, and RT. Outside of DL, that is the top priority. This team still has a good ways to go.

I agree that Cousins needs to work on his RZ offense, but when you literally don't have a run game, it makes it VERY difficult. We need to commit to the run game. For example, even last week it wasn't effective, but at least it made the NYG DEF stay honest. We are still passing on 69% of our passing plays, which is 3rd in the league and still way too high.

Cousins has been sacked 4 times in 3 games. He was sacked 26 times last season. He's on pace for under that this season. I don't think we can say he has a bad OL in pass protection.

The run game has been trash but it was trash last season and he performed well enough to get a $19.95MM franchise tag.

To hell with the excuses. Cousins gambled on himself. He needs to deliver.

markshark84 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I totally agree that stats are 'useful' when used properly but a QB's primary job is to find a way to help his team win games through his leadership and his play - Cousins is getting $19M to play and he wanted more

I just want to see Cousins take advantage of this opportunity to show that he's a good QB and fixing his red zone accuracy stat would be a good place to start

good QBs find a way to get it done no matter who is on the field with them

Tell that to 0-3 terrible QB, Drew Brees.

No kidding. And this is coming from the poster that said RGIII would be a star once he had adequate support from the players around him....

Cousins doesn't have much support out there other than 2 very good WRs and 1 very good TE. He's got a bad OL and bad RB. We need to fix our OL next year, in particular the C, OG, and RT. Outside of DL, that is the top priority. This team still has a good ways to go.

I agree that Cousins needs to work on his RZ offense, but when you literally don't have a run game, it makes it VERY difficult. We need to commit to the run game. For example, even last week it wasn't effective, but at least it made the NYG DEF stay honest. We are still passing on 69% of our passing plays, which is 3rd in the league and still way too high.

Stats prove that we only don't have a run game because Gruden and McVay don't want to run. Jones has a 4.1 YPC and Thompson has a 3.9 YPC that is more than adequate. Perhaps if we ran more in the red zone things would open up.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Cousins has been sacked 4 times in 3 games. He was sacked 26 times last season. He's on pace for under that this season. I don't think we can say he has a bad OL in pass protection.

The run game has been trash but it was trash last season and he performed well enough to get a $19.95MM franchise tag.

To hell with the excuses. Cousins gambled on himself. He needs to deliver.

Yeah I actually agree with you on this comment. The running game obviously could be better, but personally I think Cousins has enough weapons and a decent enough o-line to be successful this year.

I just disagree with SkinsJock's post that seemed to say we can only judge a QB by whether the team wins or loses. Good QBs lose games every week.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Cousins doesn't have much support out there other than 2 very good WRs and 1 very good TE. He's got a bad OL and bad RB. We need to fix our OL next year, in particular the C, OG, and RT. Outside of DL, that is the top priority. This team still has a good ways to go.

I agree that Cousins needs to work on his RZ offense, but when you literally don't have a run game, it makes it VERY difficult. We need to commit to the run game. For example, even last week it wasn't effective, but at least it made the NYG DEF stay honest. We are still passing on 69% of our passing plays, which is 3rd in the league and still way too high.

Cousins has been sacked 4 times in 3 games. He was sacked 26 times last season. He's on pace for under that this season. I don't think we can say he has a bad OL in pass protection.

The run game has been trash but it was trash last season and he performed well enough to get a $19.95MM franchise tag.

To hell with the excuses. Cousins gambled on himself. He needs to deliver.

Oh come on, you know better than to make a statement like that. How often you are sacked tells you VERY LITTLE (to absolutely nothing) about how well the OL is protecting you. Talk about taking a random stat and running with it.

In 2014 RGIII was sacked 13.4% of the time, McCoy 11.7%, Cousins 3.8%. All 3 had at least 125 drop backs. Roughly the same OL.

Last year our run game was better than this year. We are currently passing 10% more than we were last year (and last year was a franchise record).

I agree that Cousins needs to deliver, no question. If he doesn't he'll either get a low offer and have to take it or he'll go to another team that is more desperate. But overlooking the fact your run game is only giving you:
- 65 ypg
- 3.8 ypc
and
- comprises 16% of your entire offensive output....

would be foolish.

I'm not sure what you expected, but the dude is 2nd in the NFL in passing yards, 16th in QBR, 4th in attempts & completions, and 15th in INTs, 19th in TDs. The TDs MUST go up, his RZ play MUST improve ---- but he's not our problem right now.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:
Stats prove that we only don't have a run game because Gruden and McVay don't want to run. Jones has a 4.1 YPC and Thompson has a 3.9 YPC that is more than adequate. Perhaps if we ran more in the red zone things would open up.

I agree with almost all of this. I think our issues with the run game are mostly on the HC/OC in that they need to call more rushing plays. I also agree that this would open up the RZ.

However, I don't think we should blame our QB1 for these coaching decisions. I don't think they are putting him a position to succeed. I also don't think Cousins has proven that he is a franchise QB.

markshark84 wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:
Stats prove that we only don't have a run game because Gruden and McVay don't want to run. Jones has a 4.1 YPC and Thompson has a 3.9 YPC that is more than adequate. Perhaps if we ran more in the red zone things would open up.

I agree with almost all of this. I think our issues with the run game are mostly on the HC/OC in that they need to call more rushing plays. I also agree that this would open up the RZ.

However, I don't think we should blame our QB1 for these coaching decisions. I don't think they are putting him a position to succeed. I also don't think Cousins has proven that he is a franchise QB.

I don't blame Cousins for this. Cousins to me is successful with a ground game. I believe Gruden and McVay think that Cousins is good enough to put the team on is shoulders in the RZ another flaw of this coaching staff IMHO.

markshark84 wrote:Last year our run game was better than this year. I'm not sure what you expected, but the dude is 2nd in the NFL in passing yards, 16th in QBR, 4th in attempts & completions, and 15th in INTs, 19th in TDs. The TDs MUST go up, his RZ play MUST improve ---- but he's not our problem right now.

It was? Didn't we average 3.8 yards per carry for the entire 2015 season?

I expected to be 3-0 and a serious contender for the conference championship game. Or at least to run away with the division with Blomo out again.

I did not expect to be behind the Philadelphia Eagles in the division at any point this season. Nor to lose to the Dallas "Who In The Hell Is Dak Prescott's?"

Thus far the defense has been what I expected. They didn't do enough on that side of the ball.

The offensive side, where they made almost all of their moves, has been a complete *sh$t* show, especially in the red zone.

They went out and got Doctson, Davis, they had Reed, Paul, Jones. All big targets.

18th in the league in scoring is complete crap.

No one cares if the QB is Dan Marino during the regular season if he's also Dan Marino in the playoffs.

I don't think I can blame the playcalling or the other players when I see the throws in the red zone going nowhere near the intended receivers and being nowhere near catchable.

We're the only team in the NFC East under .500 and it's pissing me off. The guy making $19.95MM is getting the blame whether it's all his fault or not, because he's getting paid the highest base salary in the league to win games.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I totally agree that stats are 'useful' when used properly but a QB's primary job is to find a way to help his team win games through his leadership and his play - Cousins is getting $19M to play and he wanted more - I just want to see Cousins take advantage of this opportunity to show that he's a good QB and fixing his red zone accuracy stat would be a good place to start - good QBs find a way to get it done no matter who is on the field with them

Tell that to 0-3 terrible QB, Drew Brees.

nice try - Drew Brees has proven himself to be an elite QB - the ONLY similarity between Brees and Cousins is that they are both QBs

one is very good and the other has not proven anything except that he's better than RG3

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I totally agree that stats are 'useful' when used properly but a QB's primary job is to find a way to help his team win games through his leadership and his play - Cousins is getting $19M to play and he wanted more - I just want to see Cousins take advantage of this opportunity to show that he's a good QB and fixing his red zone accuracy stat would be a good place to start - good QBs find a way to get it done no matter who is on the field with them

Tell that to 0-3 terrible QB, Drew Brees.

nice try - Drew Brees has proven himself to be an elite QB - the ONLY similarity between Brees and Cousins is that they are both QBs

one is very good and the other has not proven anything except that he's better than RG3

Nice try yourself.

You wrote: "good QBs find a way to get it done no matter who is on the field with them". Brees has lost eight of his last eleven games. If what you wrote is true, why didn't this elite QB he find a way to get it done in those games? Hell, he's making $5m more this year than Kirk. Shouldn't he be winning more games than Cousins?

Your statement is either true, or its not. (Tip: its not, so quit trying to defend it.)

And no, I don't think Cousins is in the same league as Brees. I know this because I've seen a large sample of Drew Brees playing over many seasons and getting it done more often than not.

the current stats can be used many ways - the only thing that matters is the play on the field ...

Kirk Cousins indicated by his desire to not sign a very good deal, that he was going to come out and prove that he's worth a lot more

he has been a disappointment is all - he has 13 games to go and maybe he's going to prove to be a lot better

it's just frustrating that we have seen him playing OK at times but, he's also made bad decisions and made a lot of bad passes

coaches and players need to do better - Cousins wanted this, he needs to do a lot better

I could care less what Drew Brees is doing - he's proven he's an elite QB - Cousins wanted to prove that he's worth $20M+

Cousins is letting himself and this offense down by not playing better

I'm certain that Brees will play QB well again - I am not sure that Cousins will

I know that we'd be better off with Drew Brees playing with the same people than with Cousins

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Last year our run game was better than this year. I'm not sure what you expected, but the dude is 2nd in the NFL in passing yards, 16th in QBR, 4th in attempts & completions, and 15th in INTs, 19th in TDs. The TDs MUST go up, his RZ play MUST improve ---- but he's not our problem right now.

It was? Didn't we average 3.8 yards per carry for the entire 2015 season?

I think we actually averaged less, but our yards per game were significantly higher.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I expected to be 3-0 and a serious contender for the conference championship game. Or at least to run away with the division with Blomo out again.

I did not expect to be behind the Philadelphia Eagles in the division at any point this season. Nor to lose to the Dallas "Who In The Hell Is Dak Prescott's?"

Well then there you go. I didn't see us as being one of the top 5 team in the NFL after 3 games. I also didn't see us running away with the NFCE. My expectations were in the 8-8 to 9-7 range at best. I thought we'd be 1-2 (losing to PIT and NYG) at this point in the year.

PHI is a surprise team. I don't think anyone could have predicted Wentz would be doing what he's doing right now. What Dak is doing right now couldn't have been predicted either, but that is life in the NFL. Teams go from worst to first in their divisions every year.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Thus far the defense has been what I expected. They didn't do enough on that side of the ball.

I didn't expect our DEF to be a bottom 2 or 3 DEF. Not at all. We didn't address as much as we should have, outside of Norman, and I was critical of that (especially with DL) --- but we went from a average/mediocre DEF to one of the 2 or 3 worst. I am not sure how anyone could have expected that.

We can't win games if our DEF continues to play the way it is. If it stays this way, I see us at 5 wins max. Our OFF can't be expected to score 30 every week. For example, we only scored >30 points in a game 5 times last year.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:The offensive side, where they made almost all of their moves, has been a complete *sh$t* show, especially in the red zone.

They went out and got Doctson, Davis, they had Reed, Paul, Jones. All big targets.

18th in the league in scoring is complete crap.

I wouldn't say that any of these were big time moves. We spent a 1st rounder on Doctson. Davis wasn't a big acquisition. Nobody wanted him and we signed him to a 1 year deal. The thing that bothered me is that we didn't improve in the areas we need to: the OL. We aren't that much "improved" from last year and we are WORSE in the run game (with no Morris).

RZ scoring is our OFF's #1 issue, no doubt.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I don't think I can blame the playcalling or the other players when I see the throws in the red zone going nowhere near the intended receivers and being nowhere near catchable.

Disagree big here --- at least in that our RZ playcalling has been very bad. But I agree that Cousins has had at least 1 RZ INT that was inexcusable. He also has been making bad decisions in the RZ. I think it has gotten to his head --- but he's a professional and needs to work that out.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:We're the only team in the NFC East under .500 and it's pissing me off. The guy making $19.95MM is getting the blame whether it's all his fault or not, because he's getting paid the highest base salary in the league to win games.

Disagree. The people that should get blamed are the ones no performing. Not sure how ANYONE ON THE PLANET could sit here and say that our #1 issue is DEF. You can't win consistently if the DEF doesn't get off the field and our OFF has to spot 30 a game.

Cousins isn't the coach. He may be paid a bunch, but all QBs are. The only people that can be blamed for other peoples performance is coaches/GMs.

And we are 3 games into the year. Relax a bit.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Last year our run game was better than this year. I'm not sure what you expected, but the dude is 2nd in the NFL in passing yards, 16th in QBR, 4th in attempts & completions, and 15th in INTs, 19th in TDs. The TDs MUST go up, his RZ play MUST improve ---- but he's not our problem right now.

It was? Didn't we average 3.8 yards per carry for the entire 2015 season?

I think we actually averaged less, but our yards per game were significantly higher.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I expected to be 3-0 and a serious contender for the conference championship game. Or at least to run away with the division with Blomo out again.

I did not expect to be behind the Philadelphia Eagles in the division at any point this season. Nor to lose to the Dallas "Who In The Hell Is Dak Prescott's?"

Well then there you go. I didn't see us as being one of the top 5 team in the NFL after 3 games. I also didn't see us running away with the NFCE. My expectations were in the 8-8 to 9-7 range at best. I thought we'd be 1-2 (losing to PIT and NYG) at this point in the year.

PHI is a surprise team. I don't think anyone could have predicted Wentz would be doing what he's doing right now. What Dak is doing right now couldn't have been predicted either, but that is life in the NFL. Teams go from worst to first in their divisions every year.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Thus far the defense has been what I expected. They didn't do enough on that side of the ball.

I didn't expect our DEF to be a bottom 2 or 3 DEF. Not at all. We didn't address as much as we should have, outside of Norman, and I was critical of that (especially with DL) --- but we went from a average/mediocre DEF to one of the 2 or 3 worst. I am not sure how anyone could have expected that.

We can't win games if our DEF continues to play the way it is. If it stays this way, I see us at 5 wins max. Our OFF can't be expected to score 30 every week. For example, we only scored >30 points in a game 5 times last year.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:The offensive side, where they made almost all of their moves, has been a complete *sh$t* show, especially in the red zone.

They went out and got Doctson, Davis, they had Reed, Paul, Jones. All big targets.

18th in the league in scoring is complete crap.

I wouldn't say that any of these were big time moves. We spent a 1st rounder on Doctson. Davis wasn't a big acquisition. Nobody wanted him and we signed him to a 1 year deal. The thing that bothered me is that we didn't improve in the areas we need to: the OL. We aren't that much "improved" from last year and we are WORSE in the run game (with no Morris).

RZ scoring is our OFF's #1 issue, no doubt.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I don't think I can blame the playcalling or the other players when I see the throws in the red zone going nowhere near the intended receivers and being nowhere near catchable.

Disagree big here --- at least in that our RZ playcalling has been very bad. But I agree that Cousins has had at least 1 RZ INT that was inexcusable. He also has been making bad decisions in the RZ. I think it has gotten to his head --- but he's a professional and needs to work that out.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:We're the only team in the NFC East under .500 and it's pissing me off. The guy making $19.95MM is getting the blame whether it's all his fault or not, because he's getting paid the highest base salary in the league to win games.

Disagree. The people that should get blamed are the ones no performing. Not sure how ANYONE ON THE PLANET could sit here and not say our #1 issue is DEF. You can't win consistently if the DEF doesn't get off the field and our OFF has to spot 30 a game.

Cousins can't do everything. He's not that good. If Brees can't do it --- Cousins can't either.

And we are 3 games into the year. Relax a bit.

riggofan wrote:I just disagree with SkinsJock's post that seemed to say we can only judge a QB by whether the team wins or loses. Good QBs lose games every week.

that's not what I mean't at all - I just want to see Cousins put up stats that show why he should be paid a lot of money

he has 13 games to show us that he's worth a lot more money - he has not done that yet

are you happy with how well Cousins is playing?

SkinsJock wrote:I could care less what Drew Brees is doing - he's proven he's an elite QB - Cousins wanted to prove that he's worth $20M+

Cousins is letting himself and this offense down by not playing better

I'm certain that Brees will play QB well again - I am not sure that Cousins will

I know that we'd be better off with Drew Brees playing with the same people than with Cousins

That's a fantastic word salad. Your statement is still wrong.

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:I just disagree with SkinsJock's post that seemed to say we can only judge a QB by whether the team wins or loses. Good QBs lose games every week.

that's not what I mean't at all - I just want to see Cousins put up stats that show why he should be paid a lot of money

he has 13 games to show us that he's worth a lot more money - he has not done that yet

are you happy with how well Cousins is playing?

Nope. Pretty sure I've written that repeatedly.

Personally I'm not judging him by stats, and I'm not judging him by wins/losses. His stats vs. Dallas weren't bad, but I still think he lost that game. Didn't make the plays a starting caliber QB should make. His stats vs. the Giants were good, but I'm not sure I can really credit him with that win.

He was making plays and winning games for us last year. Even in some losses like the Falcons game, I thought he was really good. I think we still need to see THAT Kirk this year.

I just think it's a bit early to be hyper critical of him. This will actually be his first full year as a starter including the offseason. I think he is just going to be the guy that starts slow and ends strong this year, but he needs some help... we need to start putting up atleast 100 yard running games, and hopefully the shifting around of safeties plus not facing a top 3 in the league receiver for once will help us keep a team to under 20 points.

Prowl33 wrote:I just think it's a bit early to be hyper critical of him.

I'm with you, man. People were eager to do that last year, and he made everyone look stupid. Relax, sit back and give the guy a shot. I'm sure by the end of 16 games this season there will be less debate one way or the other.

Run Offense = 21st @ 93 ypg

Pass Offense = 5th @ 287 ypg

Total Offense = 8th @ 380 ypg

Offensive Yards Per Point = 15th

Offensive Red Zone Efficiency = 30th

3rd Down = 15th



Run Defense = 32nd @ 133 ypg

Pass Defense = 28th @ 280.5 ypg

Total Defense = 31st @ 413.5 ypg

Defensive Yards Per Point = 20th

Defensive red Zone Efficiency = 23rd

3rd Down = 32nd (only team in NFL letting opposition convert over 50%)



We are still terrible defensively on 3rd down.

Forcing fumbles is a skill while recovering them is a coin flip. Getting pickoffs is a skill.

We are alone in 1st in forced fumbles with 8 !!

We are tied for 9th in the league with 4 picks.