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Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:thanks for showing up and clearing up any doubts about your integrity as well

You do realize the tongue sticking out emoticon indicates a joke, right?

welcome back

Countertrey wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:haters are going to hate ...

I'd like to see Griffin play at a high level ... except on week 4

it'd be good for the NFL and great for Brown's fans

I don't think it will happen. He cannot play in the pocket. He did not develop any skills in that direction in Washington... and I can't imagine that he has picked them up now. Hue Jackson has staked his coaching career on this super talented athlete with a sprinter's body, who cannot be successful playing in a system that would protect that body. His success will come from his mobility, his ability to threaten the edges, and freeze linebackers and DE's. And, that sprinter's body will be broken... again. And Hue Jackson will find his career in jeopardy, as well.

I agree with all of this except Hue Jackson's career being in jeopardy. Griffin was signed to a 2-year "show me" deal. If he doesn't, he's done. I don't think that will have any effect on Hue.

Countertrey wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:haters are going to hate ...

I'd like to see Griffin play at a high level ... except on week 4

it'd be good for the NFL and great for Brown's fans

I don't think it will happen. He cannot play in the pocket. He did not develop any skills in that direction in Washington... and I can't imagine that he has picked them up now. Hue Jackson has staked his coaching career on this super talented athlete with a sprinter's body, who cannot be successful playing in a system that would protect that body. His success will come from his mobility, his ability to threaten the edges, and freeze linebackers and DE's. And, that sprinter's body will be broken... again. And Hue Jackson will find his career in jeopardy, as well.

Don't like it. Still like Bob. ..But, he is not a physical match for NFL play. His demise is inevitable, IMO. I like Hue Jackson... but he has staked his future to a glass athlete.

That is my Bob prediction.

I agree with you Robert failed to make progress towards becoming competent in the pocket in Washington. He was ineffective in 2013, 2014 and during the preseason in 2015. He was gifted the first string job and the Shanahan's and Gruden both invested their 1st string reps on Griffin. Robert was totally lost and made as much progress as a remedial math student mistakenly placed in an advanced calculus class.

After watching him not only fail miserably trying to run a WCO but also fail to show any signs of improvement I dismissed Griffin as incapable of ever being able to process the field fast enough to become competent. My harsh assessment may prove accurate but in Cleveland Robert is off to a nice start running what appears to be variation of the read option offense he ran in 2012 with a dose of plays out of the pocket thrown in the mix.

The early results look good. He is sliding early to avoid hits so he is using his mobility effectively without taking the frequent hits that drove us nuts. He has thrown well out of the pocket and except for a couple exceptions got the ball out and mostly accurately. I suspect he doesn't have all the route trees toaccount for and as many decisions to make in Hue's offense as he did in Gruden's WCO.

Whatever the differences Griffin looks comfortable. It will be interesting to see how he fairs during regular season games when the defenses mix things up on him but thus far Robert is off to a good start running an offense that leverages his mobility and doesn't over tax his processing skill in the pocket, good for him.

there are many good college QBs that clearly show they are not capable of making the adjustment to be able to play the position in the NFL just like there are many coaches in the NFL that are not capable of helping good college players make the transition

I do think that Hue Jackson will not be back as HC in 2017 if Griffin does not play well

SkinsJock wrote:there are many good college QBs that clearly show they are not capable of making the adjustment to be able to play the position in the NFL just like there are many coaches in the NFL that are not capable of helping good college players make the transition

I do think that Hue Jackson will not be back as HC in 2017 if Griffin does not play well

I think it would be horribly unfair to fire Hue after one year if he can't resurrect Griffin's QB career. This would be hasty and bad even for Cleveland. Two NFL staffs have been unable to help Griffin reach competence running an NFL offense so if Griffin fails in Cleveland who is really going to be surprised?

Judging by his play in the first couple of games Hue has put together an offense that plays to Robert's strengths which is all Hue can do in a season. Another thing, I think Hasslam would catch a lot of heat from the league for firing a black coach after one season if he could not resurrect the Browns and Griffin. Griffin needs to show progress this season to factor in the Brown's plans for next season but I think Hue should get at least another season to get his hands around the Browns to demonstrate he has them moving forward.

Hue would have known that Griffin's main issues were reading the defense and not risking a bad injury - there is no way that Hue would have taken on the difficult task if he did not think that he could help Griffin become an NFL QB

Griffin has to get much better at reading defenses and knowing that he cannot put himself at risk of a bad injury

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:haters are going to hate ...

I'd like to see Griffin play at a high level ... except on week 4

it'd be good for the NFL and great for Brown's fans

I don't think it will happen. He cannot play in the pocket. He did not develop any skills in that direction in Washington... and I can't imagine that he has picked them up now. Hue Jackson has staked his coaching career on this super talented athlete with a sprinter's body, who cannot be successful playing in a system that would protect that body. His success will come from his mobility, his ability to threaten the edges, and freeze linebackers and DE's. And, that sprinter's body will be broken... again. And Hue Jackson will find his career in jeopardy, as well.

I agree with all of this except Hue Jackson's career being in jeopardy. Griffin was signed to a 2-year "show me" deal. If he doesn't, he's done. I don't think that will have any effect on Hue.

Jackson was orgasmic over the potential, the talent, the mobility, the intelligence... and tripped all over himself to make this happen. Make no mistake. His reputation... and his career... are inexorably intertwined. If Bob succeeds, he is a genius, and reaps NFL manna... If Bob fails, the questions and doubt will dog him, ESPECIALLY if the Browns fall flat on their faces along with him. Add to that, the lukewarm support for this from the owner...

Didn't see the game but the report said Griffin got sacked 5 times during the first half. He got rid of the ball quickly during the first two preseason games in Hue's offense but tonight he took a pounding.

5 sacks in 1 half.

Browns fans blame the o-line.

Sound familiar?

as some of us know the Browns offensive line in 2016 will most likely be horrible

however - it may be a better offensive line than the Redskins offensive line of 2014

Griffin really did not pick a very good place to go prove he can play QB but he most likely did not have many choices either

Hue had a couple of choices but chose to make him the starter ...

StorminMormon86 wrote:5 sacks in 1 half.

Browns fans blame the o-line.

Sound familiar?

Their head coach Hue Jackson said it was a combination of physicality of the oline and no wrs getting open particularly. Could be covering up for him but I'd rather take sacks though than turn the ball over. He had a 108 rating...made good throws underneath But was inaccurate on his intermediate throws. Once again launched two deep balls that was successful. Had 57%

The Browns need work...they pretty much was failing at all categories, could have the worst cover defense in the league.

RG3 almost singlehandedly losing the game for the Browns today.

I see the same RGIII who couldn't get it done in D.C. with better talent.

Didn't see the game just saw his stats 12-26 197 yds 0 TD 1 Int 55 QBR.

A BIG thank you to Robert Griffin III for showing all the doubters and ESPECIALLY the haters that he can play QB in the NFL

the Browns are really bad but the Eagles could prove to be almost as bad - this is a terrible team

Here is a Cleveland media account of the game which sounds a lot like the Griffin games we remember including Griffin finishing the day dinged up.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/09/robert_griffin_iii_browns_vs_e.html#incart_big-photo

Bob continues to prove that he is invulnerable, and can run through anything...

I mean... he thinks he can. The problem is, apparently his joints, and other components of his skeletal system cannot. He is immune to learning from earlier mistakes...

SkinsJock wrote:A BIG thank you to Robert Griffin III for showing all the doubters and ESPECIALLY the haters that he can play QB in the NFL

What game were you watching? Or were you playing Madden?

Placed on IR.

Out for at least 8 weeks.

Sure showed the doubters and haters wrong.

Wow... Out for 8 weeks. I wonder if they give him another shot when he is healthy?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/09/robert_griffin_iii_shoulder_jo.html#incart_2box

Just heard that Griffin is on IR - I doubt that we'll see him playing QB again - taking that hit and not being available is just stupid

When he was released from the Skins I posted that I thought it would be best for him to go to the CFL or Arena football so he could compete at a lower level and work on the holes in his game like a young MLB player going back to the minors to fix the holes in their games. He got a 6.3M from the Browns but wasn't able to hang in long enough to progress. If he is serious about working on the mental aspects of the game I think he should consider doing this instead of hanging on to the bench in the NFL.

I don't know if it is possible for Griffin to learn how to process the field fast enough for the NFL. Intelligence comes in different stripes and he may not have the spatial intelligence to play QB in the NFL. I think his chances of mastering that critical aspect of playing QB would be improved if he played a couple of years at lower/slower level. A number of NFL QBs spent some time honing there skills in the CFL and Arena League before achieving success in the NFL. Warren Moon and Kurt Warner are the two that come to mind but I know there have been others.

OldSchool wrote: A number of NFL QBs spent some time honing there skills in the CFL and Arena League before achieving success in the NFL. Warren Moon and Kurt Warner are the two that come to mind but I know there have been others.

Joe Theismann
Doug Flutie
But none of those couldn't have played in the NFL at the time. They didn't start their careers in "lower" leagues because they couldn't play at the NFL level. They just wanted to play QB in professional football, but weren't offered that opportunity in the NFL.

RGIII's problem is always trying to be tougher than the position calls for. Not knowing when to slide.. waiting too long to bail out.. and this time, not getting down or out of bounds and trying to plow through a DB.

He's good enough to play QB in the league, he just hasn't exercised the regard for safety necessary to do it.

Now his time in Cleveland is probably over, and it's too bad that his ego wouldn't let him take a backup position on a better team. Cleveland was probably the worst choice he could have made. He proved in Washington that he can play QB in the NFL. But he's also proven that his ego and desire to be tough and forego situational awareness might be his undoing.

He's baaaaaaaack!

According to ESPN.com, RG3 will be the team's starting quarterback when the Browns play host to the Bengals on Sunday.