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Let's this be a lesson to all cocky young fellas entering the workplace.

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As explained by Mike Klis of 9News.com, the Broncos considered Griffin but ultimately opted not to pursue him.

“[A]fter making a few phone calls, Elway was concerned about Griffin’s character,” Klis writes. “Elway never did express interest in the former Washington quarterback who was the NFL’s Rookie of the Year in 2012 but had several fallouts with Coach Mike Shanahan, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and teammates.”

While Klis never makes the express connection between Elway, Broncos coach Gary Kubiak, and Mike Shanahan, that link doesn’t need to made for a Denver audience. Broncos fans know that Elway was the quarterback, Kubiak was the coordinator, and Shanahan was the quarterback for the team’s back-to-back championships in 1997 and 1998.

Clearly, Elway and Kubiak spoke to Shanahan. Even more clearly, Shanahan had things to say about Griffin that kept the Broncos from even doing an independent tire kicking by bringing Griffin in for a visit.

DEHog wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

DEHog wrote:Let's see how happy he is when the Browns take a QB with the 2nd pick...

When the Colts drafted Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck in the first round did they draft a Qb in the fourth round in the same draft? That was an insult from the beginning.
If the Browns draft a Qb at no.2 it's not the same scenerio Robert went through but you already know that.

Nope, it’s probably worse. RG doesn’t operate well when he's not the “man”… Maybe the Browns won’t take a QB at 2?? But if they do it will not be to back up RG.

Griffin couldn't succeed because the team drafted his backup? lol. This stuff is so sad.

riggofan wrote:Griffin couldn't succeed because the team drafted his backup? lol. This stuff is so sad.

Apologists gonna apologize.

this is a time of year where most everything reported by NFL media and coaching staffs is complete and utter BS

these reports about Griffin are more of the same - haters are going to hate

Griffin will soon show whether he can play in the NFL or not - Hue Jackson is not giving him any time at all if he does not clearly show that there is something there - whatever happened in DC will have ZERO bearing on that and I would have thought that if Elway was at all interested in Griffin he would have checked with someone that has a more recent opinion than Mike Shanahan who VERY obviously is out of touch



Griffin will soon show that he can play QB in the NFL or he will be gone - if Griffin shows that he's all about himself and not about being an NFL QB, he will be on the street very quickly

I hope that Griffin plays great ...

SkinsJock wrote:I would have thought that if Elway was at all interested in Griffin he would have checked with someone that has a more recent opinion than Mike Shanahan who VERY obviously is out of touch

Come on, man. You don't think Elway and Kubiak consulted with Shanahan on Griffin? Of course they did.

Whether or not it had any bearing on their decision is pure speculation.

I didn't post that story to knock Griffin btw. I thought Denver was a likely destination for him, but the Shanahan thing hadn't really occurred to me.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I would have thought that if Elway was at all interested in Griffin he would have checked with someone that has a more recent opinion than Mike Shanahan who VERY obviously is out of touch

Come on, man. You don't think Elway and Kubiak consulted with Shanahan on Griffin? Of course they did. Whether or not it had any bearing on their decision is pure speculation.

totally agree that given their past they would have contacted Shanahan - just do not agree that they would have come to that conclusion about Griffin solely based on Shanahan, given how important it is to the Broncos to find a QB - the same sort of BS "reporting" that is not getting much air time is that Hue Jackson "felt the earth move under his feet" when he watched Griffin work out recently and that he then informed the exec VP who immediately told his people "sign him, now"


what a load of BS all this is

Griffin's not going very far with Hue Jackson if he can't play QB in the NFL as some here are still very certain of

Looks like the Browns are going to sell out on this, as there are rumors that McCown is on the trade block... If they can't make a trade, they are likely to release him...

ummm... have they looked at the film???

Countertrey wrote:Looks like the Browns are going to sell out on this, as there are rumors that McCown is on the trade block... If they can't make a trade, they are likely to release him...

ummm... have they looked at the film???

McCown was gone either way. He's eating a lot of cap space.

Countertrey wrote:Looks like the Browns are going to sell out on this, as there are rumors that McCown is on the trade block... If they can't make a trade, they are likely to release him...

ummm... have they looked at the film???

Like SJ wrote, Hue Jackson apparently got butterflies watching Griffin throw the ball in his workout.

I did post that it was 'reported' that way ...

I'm sure you all would agree that most if not all the stuff that is being reported about players and coaches at this time and especially about Griffin are in all likelihood not factual - this is the silly season after all and the hype surrounding Griffin is just over the top

Griffin has done NOTHING for a long time - if he shows that he's as bad as some here have indicated, he will be out of the NFL



I still think that Griffin can play QB in the NFL - we shall see

Good luck to Robert Griffin.

SkinsJock wrote:I did post that it was 'reported' that way ...

haha. Wasn't mocking you or anything - I read that same report!

Its great that Jackson liked what he saw from Griffin's workout, but I think Countertrey's question about the film is probably most important.

Truth is there aren't a lot of great options for the Browns, can't blame them for giving Griffin a shot. Even if he doesn't work out, at least he won't embarrass himself and the franchise like Manziel has done.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I did post that it was 'reported' that way ...

haha. Wasn't mocking you or anything - I read that same report!

Its great that Jackson liked what he saw from Griffin's workout, but I think Countertrey's question about the film is probably most important.

Truth is there aren't a lot of great options for the Browns, can't blame them for giving Griffin a shot. Even if he doesn't work out, at least he won't embarrass himself and the franchise like Manziel has done.

If the Browns are really considering using Griffin as a starter it must be with the aim of trying to be entertaining with Griffin running a option style offense. It will end badly and probably at the hospital if they go that way. No one who has watch film of Griffin running a pro style offense would want to count on Griffin to start in a conventional offense. The Browns are a happy to have a job franchise.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:He was a rookie for goodness sake and Shanty got him injured his first year.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-sou ... t-Williams

It's was Shanahans job to pull him.

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Griffin couldn't succeed because the team drafted his backup? lol. This stuff is so sad.[/quote]

Nice strawman's argument your words not mine. Griffin will succeed with a head coach that fully supports and believes in him.

Griffin is gone now. Another huge mistake of many made by my beloved team. I support Scotty Mac. I want Gruden out and Scott to hire his guy. We will only be mediocre with Gruden.Kirk is solid but his ceiling is only so high.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Griffin couldn't succeed because the team drafted his backup? lol. This stuff is so sad.[/quote]

Nice strawman's argument your words not mine. Griffin will succeed with a head coach that fully supports and believes in him.[/quote]

I don't see the strawman, but if I misunderstood your point, then I apologize. I just don't see why drafting his backup in the 4th round of the same draft was such an "insult". We gave up how many draft picks to acquire Griffin? I don't think there was any question about which QB was the franchise from that draft, and Cousins could not have been more clear that he understood his role as the backup.

If Griffin's was wounded and insulted by that, then he had a lot of growing up to do. Its like taking your kid on a week long trip to Disney World for her birthday, and she throws a tantrum when you buy the little brother a Mickey Mouse hat.

DEHog wrote:$6.75M guaranteed, $15M over 2 years .. not too bad

really? - sounds like they paid too much for a QB that many think is not capable of playing QB in the NFL ...

it was a mistake to give up so much for Griffin but it was also a mistake to not help him make the transition from college to the NFL

Griffin has not helped himself by what he has done on & off the field - I hope he shows the doubters & haters that they are flat out wrong

Griffin may show that he cannot play QB in the NFL - I think he will show that he can



good luck to him, he's going to need it - that is a hopeless franchise

SkinsJock wrote:

DEHog wrote:$6.75M guaranteed, $15M over 2 years .. not too bad

really? - sounds like they paid too much for a QB that many think is not capable of playing QB in the NFL ...

You should take a look at the contract Chase Daniels just got.

SkinsJock wrote:it was a mistake to give up so much for Griffin but it was also a mistake to not help him make the transition from college to the NFL

Come on, man. The idea that the team who gave up so much for this guy didn't want or try to help him succeed is just stupid. We all know its way more complicated than that. I thought Peter King really nailed it this morning:

"What messed up Griffin, I will always believe, is not the problems he had with coach Mike Shanahan or offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan in Washington. Wrecking his knee at the end of his rookie year killed him, because it badly stunted his development. Remember: The Washington offense was cobbled together (with the zone read) in 2012, and the Shanahans felt it wasn’t sustainable long-term to expose Griffin to such punishment. The 2013 offseason and preseason was going to be used to teach Griffin the full Shanahan offense, but because he spent it in a rehabbing sprint to get healthy enough to play by September 2013, he couldn’t spend nearly enough time in the classroom to learn a new way to play."

There's blame enough for everyone including Robert to go around on that one.

the difference between Daniel and Griffin is that Griffin is not perceived as an NFL QB .... by some

I'm not making excuses for Griffin - I agree that Griffin made a lot of mistakes and is the primary cause for his failure to be a better QB here

however - with coaching & preparation, Griffin will now have a shot at showing that he can play QB in the NFL

as someone once said - "you have it or you don't ... " and ... I think Griffin can play QB

I don't see the strawman, but if I misunderstood your point, then I apologize. I just don't see why drafting his backup in the 4th round of the same draft was such an "insult". We gave up how many draft picks to acquire Griffin? I don't think there was any question about which QB was the franchise from that draft, and Cousins could not have been more clear that he understood his role as the backup.

If Griffin's was wounded and insulted by that, then he had a lot of growing up to do. Its like taking your kid on a week long trip to Disney World for her birthday, and she throws a tantrum when you buy the little brother a Mickey Mouse hat.

Starting qbs have in general not been too friendly to the backup qb. Bretton Farve and Aarons Rogers for example. Joe Montana and Steve Young. It's only natural to not be best of friends with someone who's trying to take your job.

Griffin had his issues if the locker room turned on him it was for a reason.
However talent was not the reason.
Snyder gave a rookie too much power. Which probably went to his head.

Our franchise failed him just as much. Then we hire a Gruden not Jon. Still have a losing season with Griff or Kirk.

Scott Mac comes in a year later and rights the ship.
Kirk has a good season and Jay's job is saved.

I just want fans to understand it was the Redskins that failed Robert just as much as he failed them.

Jay and Kirk did not succeed until Scott arrived.

Robert actually had a great season even without Scott. Then then the injury.

Oh well, what could of been.

All this negative pub for Robert allows the few racists the opportunity to use it to hide the fact that they could never fully accept a colored intelligent young man as the starting qb of their team.

riggofan wrote: Come on, man. The idea that the team who gave up so much for this guy didn't want or try to help him succeed is just stupid. We all know its way more complicated than that. There's blame enough for everyone including Robert to go around on that one.

I'm not saying that Griffin did not get as much help as possible initially ... IMO Peter King is right in that his development was affected by the injury - just saying, the Shanahans did not help much after the injury and I don't think that Gruden handled him well in 2014



OK - if all these people are right and Griffin cannot play QB - he's going to show that - but ... what if Griffin shows that he can play QB?

this is the Browns (Old School's other team) for crying out loud
there's no way a bad QB does well against the Ravens, Bengals and Steelers, twice a season

I agree with HH - the reason Griffin did not do well here is not because he does not have the talent to be a good NFL QB

there's blame that can be placed on many people including Griffin ... but it's not because he cannot play QB

HEROHAMO wrote:All this negative pub for Robert allows the few racists the opportunity to use it to hide the fact that they could never fully accept a colored intelligent young man as the starting qb of their team.

Bomani Jones, is that you?