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Posted: **Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:48 am**

riggofan wrote:We also have Kouandjio who Scot just drafted last year.

What's the word on this guy? What were they looking at for him to improve on? Don't remember hearing much about him last year.

Posted: **Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:40 am**

SkinsJock wrote:I'm all for finding guys to replace the guys that were starting here ... I could care less where they were drafted - anything would be an upgrade

Starting here when? 2013? They've done that. We have four young draft picks that are starting on the o-line right now. I'm assuming by THREE you want to replace every one who wasn't picked in the first round.

We need a center and we need depth.

Posted: **Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:45 am**

StorminMormon86 wrote:
riggofan wrote:We also have Kouandjio who Scot just drafted last year.

What's the word on this guy? What were they looking at for him to improve on? Don't remember hearing much about him last year.

Rookie last year, sounds like just taking time to develop. From what I've read recently though, I wouldn't count him out on competing for a starting spot this year.

That's what we need to see though. Draft a guard from Alabama in one of the later rounds, spend a year working on his technique and prepare him to possibly start for you. The o-line doesn't need to be five first round picks and high priced free agents.

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:38 pm**

I have a feeling Cowboys are going to snag Jalen Ramsey. Dude is a stud, reminds me of ST. We need a play maker in the secondary, we haven't had a game changer since Taylor

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:47 pm**

elprez19 wrote:I have a feeling Cowboys are going to snag Jalen Ramsey. Dude is a stud, reminds me of ST. We need a play maker in the secondary, we haven't had a game changer since Taylor

Speaking of. Our man would have been 33 years old today. And no doubt still changing games on a regular basis.

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:49 pm**

elprez19 wrote:I have a feeling Cowboys are going to snag Jalen Ramsey. Dude is a stud, reminds me of ST. We need a play maker in the secondary, we haven't had a game changer since Taylor

adding 1 or 2 players that can possibly start immediately is not nearly as important to this franchise as adding 7 or 8 players (or more) that become really good players over time - that is what having a good FO means - anyone (even Dan Snyder) can find a good/great player or 2 but finding a bunch of players that make the whole team better is critical to our continued improvement

we don't need top draft picks - we need a bunch of players that can become starters and provide quality depth over the long term

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:53 pm**

elprez19 wrote:I have a feeling Cowboys are going to snag Jalen Ramsey. Dude is a stud, reminds me of ST. We need a play maker in the secondary, we haven't had a game changer since Taylor

Finding a Sean Taylor (or similar level player, or 2) is not as important as fixing the mess that Snyder created here

we need a lot of good players not a few star players

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:03 pm**

riggofan wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:Brandon was a good addition - now we need 3 more and we need depth - we're getting there

Why three more? We have Trent - Long - Scherff and Moses. All four young starting caliber players that we drafted with third round or higher picks. We also have Kouandjio who Scot just drafted last year.

We basically NEED a center and to continue to draft depth/developmental players.

I dunno about Moses, whether it's technique, speed, instincts or whatever but he made too many mistakes last year. he did the linesmans' equivalent of fumbling the football too often. It might be that he got the wrong plays or blocking assignments called to him, I'll give him some doubt there. But whenever Cousins got sacked Moses was the only one standing there with a WTF look about him and too much run disruption came thru on his side. We need an anchor on the right as good as the left, I'm not sure he's the guy. I don't want to see him go, but something has to change for him to be the starter.

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:32 pm**

oj wrote:I dunno about Moses, whether it's technique, speed, instincts or whatever but he made too many mistakes last year. he did the linesmans' equivalent of fumbling the football too often. It might be that he got the wrong plays or blocking assignments called to him, I'll give him some doubt there. But whenever Cousins got sacked Moses was the only one standing there with a WTF look about him and too much run disruption came thru on his side. We need an anchor on the right as good as the left, I'm not sure he's the guy. I don't want to see him go, but something has to change for him to be the starter.

That seems pretty harsh for a second year pro in his first year as a starter.

For second-year Washington Redskins tackle Morgan Moses, his progression has been one of the bright spots on an offensive line that’s performance continues to turn heads.

Despite giving up a sack on Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers – the only time all day that Kirk Cousins was taken down – Moses was a top offensive tackle in Week 7 action according to ProFootballFocus.com.

“Moses did allow a sack, but he continues to flash the kind of talent that suggests he could be the Redskins’ right tackle of the future,” ProFootballFocus wrote.

Moses started just one game during his rookie season in place of an injured Trent Williams.

At the start of training camp this year, Moses was working with the second-team before it became clear his services were needed in the starting lineup.

“I think reps, number one, since training camp and OTAs – really since training camp – and then the comfort level playing right tackle,” Redskins head coach Jay Gruden said recently of Moses. “Like I said before, he played left tackle his last two years at Virginia and then we tried to flip him last year and he wasn’t quite ready. Everything was backwards to him. His sets were different, but having another year under his belt playing just right tackle, I think it’s helped him out the most. And [Offensive Line] Coach [Bill] Callahan has done an excellent job with him. The comfort level with his pass sets, his combination blocks on the right side is the big difference.”

http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events ... 95dffec7f5

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:35 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:we don't need top draft picks - we need a bunch of players that can become starters and provide quality depth over the long term

We need both. But I agree with you this year that I'd be happy to see the team trade out of the first round and get more picks.

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:49 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:
elprez19 wrote:I have a feeling Cowboys are going to snag Jalen Ramsey. Dude is a stud, reminds me of ST. We need a play maker in the secondary, we haven't had a game changer since Taylor

adding 1 or 2 players that can possibly start immediately is not nearly as important to this franchise as adding 7 or 8 players (or more) that become really good players over time - that is what having a good FO means - anyone (even Dan Snyder) can find a good/great player or 2 but finding a bunch of players that make the whole team better is critical to our continued improvement

we don't need top draft picks - we need a bunch of players that can become starters and provide quality depth over the long term

Just making a statement that our D over the years have been boring and have missed the presence of Sean Taylor type player who could change a game at anytime. Who wouldn't give up a mid round pick or two to trade up to acquire Sean Taylor if you had the opportunity to do it again? At 21 I know that's not realistic but I'll give up a couple depth players for someone of that impact. Also, I don't think you go DT in the first round, you get the best game changer at 21 whether its a corner or receiver. Also, adding 1 or 2 players that can start immediately is important to this franchise, especially on D. That and finding gems is the whole goal of the draft.

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:34 pm**

I'm with going all defense and a possible WR somewhere only if they are in first 3 rounds. Who's the best defensive lineman out there? Seem like a weak draft.

Posted: **Fri Apr 01, 2016 4:49 pm**

mastdark81 wrote:I'm with going all defense and a possible WR somewhere only if they are in first 3 rounds. Who's the best defensive lineman out there? Seem like a weak draft.

D-line is one of the deepest positions in the draft this year. I'd be more than happy if we came out of the top first three rounds with three linemen.

I'm with you on the WR too.

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:35 am**

elprez19 wrote: .. Just making a statement that our D over the years have been boring and have missed the presence of Sean Taylor type player who could change a game at anytime. Who wouldn't give up a mid round pick or two to trade up to acquire Sean Taylor if you had the opportunity to do it again? At 21 I know that's not realistic but I'll give up a couple depth players for someone of that impact. Also, I don't think you go DT in the first round, you get the best game changer at 21 whether its a corner or receiver. Also, adding 1 or 2 players that can start immediately is important to this franchise, especially on D. That and finding gems is the whole goal of the draft.

I understand where you're coming from and it would be great to find a future HOF player at #21 but this FO's #1 priority at #21 is to try and get more draft picks not find a future HOF player - we don't have the luxury yet of being able to just add a few high quality players - we need a bunch of new young players that can become either very good players or provide great depth - this FO may find HOF players - at this time though the #1 priority, MOST important task, is to add younger, bigger, faster players of high quality and great character who really want to play the game

we're getting there - gotta love watching these guys digging this franchise out of the huge hole Dan Snyder had us in

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:55 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:I understand where you're coming from and it would be great to find a future HOF player at #21 but this FO's #1 priority at #21 is to try and get more draft picks not find a future HOF player

I think you're right in principle but nothing is set in stone. There was a pretty good article on CSN the other day that looked at possible trade down scenarios. One thing that stood out to me was this:

"The other side of that coin is that even if a team wants to move up McCloughan might not want to move down. There may be a player on the board who he has evaluated as a top-10 talent. So even if a team offers an attractive package of picks in an effort to move up to No 21, the Redskins may not be dealing at any price. So this is purely hypothetical."
http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsb ... s-redskins

One thing most of us agree on with McCloughan is that he's no dummy. If we get to #21 and there is a guy still on the board whom he ranks as top 10, does he pass just to possibly add another third or fourth round pick? You would pass on Sean Taylor in favor of like Matt Jones and Kyshoen Jarrett?

Its true that this team is sorely lacking in depth. But its also true that problems with this team have been exacerbated by Snyder constantly trading away our first and second round picks for 10 years+.

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:30 pm**

If Scot gets a shot at a top 10 player at 21 he may still look at what he can get for that pick - I have a lot of faith in Scot and this FO and I think that they want as many draft picks as they can get with the thought that the more good players you have the more chances you have at finding really good players - the best part about this FO is that they really have a clue about what they are doing - in the past even with 10 top 10 draft picks we stood a great chance at not selecting 1 great player

If we were deep in talent and depth like the top clubs it might be different - we just need to keep building through the draft - BIG TIME

Posted: **Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:40 pm**

riggofan wrote: ... Its true that this team is sorely lacking in depth. But its also true that problems with this team have been exacerbated by Snyder constantly trading away our first and second round picks for 10 years+.

that's the problem - Snyder and his guys had no plan and absolutely no idea if a player would turn out well ...

the best example would be the can't miss, superstar QB, Robert Griffin III :lol:

- if we hadn't traded away those picks there is absolutely no way anyone can convince me that the guys that thought that trade was a good idea would have suddenly become very knowledgeable and made good picks with the picks they gave away - NO WAY

Scot and this FO are on the right track - it will only take a couple more drafts if they can find a way to get 12 or more picks in each draft

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:58 am**

SkinsJock wrote:If Scot gets a shot at a top 10 player at 21 he may still look at what he can get for that pick - I have a lot of faith in Scot and this FO and I think that they want as many draft picks as they can get with the thought that the more good players you have the more chances you have at finding really good players - the best part about this FO is that they really have a clue about what they are doing - in the past even with 10 top 10 draft picks we stood a great chance at not selecting 1 great player

I'm just saying there's a balance there. Yes, we need depth and can use more picks. But a team made up completely of third and fourth round picks (which is what we've been for 15 years) isn't going anywhere. I agree with your point though that McCloughan will explore all options when we get to #21, and I trust he'll make the best possible decision for the team.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:29 am**

riggofan wrote:Its true that this team is sorely lacking in depth.

Do you really think so? I don't think that's our problem at all: I think we're just missing a few legit, game-changing starters at key positions (DL, LB, S). Our backups and special teams have been high performers.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:50 am**

we need players and this FO has a better chance of finding some really good players with more draft picks - that's a fact :wink:

there is a big difference when the guys making the decisions have a clue - it does not matter when you draft if you know what you're doing

for years now it has not mattered how many high round draft picks we had - Our FO did not have a clue about players and we had no plan

giving up all those picks for RG3 did not hurt us - we would have most likely made bad choices anyway ...
IF we had not used that pick on RG3, Shanahan most likely does not pick up Cousins - he would have used a higher pick on a 'better' QB

not saying we're not using that pick at #21 - just that it's our best opportunity to add picks and that is priority #1 ...

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:41 pm**

Irn-Bru wrote:
riggofan wrote:Its true that this team is sorely lacking in depth.

Do you really think so? I don't think that's our problem at all: I think we're just missing a few legit, game-changing starters at key positions (DL, LB, S). Our backups and special teams have been high performers.

Yeah I think so personally, especially on defense. What position on the D would you say we are really deep? The DBs are a patchwork. The LB "depth" was basically guys signed off the street after the season started. Lots of old guys on the d-line. I would add TE too just based on last year, but I know that had more to do with a crazy number of injuries than not having players to begin with.

But I completely agree with you the need for elite players. I'm optimistic about that. Preston Smith was a second rounder last year. I don't know if he'll be elite, game changer ever. Has the look of more than just a role player though IMO.

btw I read today that SM has historically drafted more DBs and WRs than any other positions. Interesting to note. And only something like 2 of them were ever under 6'0". Scot likes big men. lol.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:49 pm**

SkinsJock wrote:the best example would be the can't miss, superstar QB, Robert Griffin III

That may be the most egregious, but I think the BEST example was trading away a second AND a fourth round pick for McNabb. Painful.

SkinsJock wrote:not saying we're not using that pick at #21 - just that it's our best opportunity to add picks and that is priority #1 ...

It may be our best opportunity in that its the most valuable pick, but its not what you're making out to be. Scot has said he's looking to add four more picks this year. Last year he traded our THIRD round pick moved down and picked up a 4th, 5th, and 6th rounder + Seattle's third round pick. He can still make the #21 pick and acquire picks in the later round.

Honestly, my best case scenario would be to be sitting there at 21 with one of those QBs still on board. Get one of those teams like Denver, Cleveland, maybe Arizona to trade up and only move back to the end of the first round or top of the second. That would be awesome.

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:54 pm**

^^ absolutely - I think we're all in agreement - this FO will find a way to get more picks if possible but I also have faith that they will make the right choices about whether to trade the picks or not ... nobody is infallible but these guys have been really great in a short amount of time

let's face it - these guys have shown that the decisions they make end up helping the franchise

Posted: **Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:02 pm**

Irn-Bru wrote:
riggofan wrote:Its true that this team is sorely lacking in depth.

Do you really think so? I don't think that's our problem at all: I think we're just missing a few legit, game-changing starters at key positions (DL, LB, S). Our backups and special teams have been high performers.

I agree. We need some playmakers. Shameful that Hall is still the only guy with a knack for coming up with a fumble or interception on defense with consistency. I'm with you our depth is there.

Posted: **Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:08 am**

mastdark81 wrote:I agree. We need some playmakers. Shameful that Hall is still the only guy with a knack for coming up with a fumble or interception on defense with consistency. I'm with you our depth is there.

This is our CB situation today: "the Redskins have Breeland, a fill in turned starter in Blackmon, a project with Dunbar, a question mark with Culliver, and Deshazor Everett, a good special teams player who is untested at corner." Safety? What do we have like D Hall and Duke Ihenacho? D-line?

I agree 100% with your comment that we need more play makers. But there is no way to look at that our defense right now and say "our depth is there" with a straight face.

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