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SKINS#1 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Griffin has a long way to go and he's going to need a lot of things to go right if he's going to get to the next level

SJ, I think you are right but don't you think Gruden tried to coach him up? I know Gruden seemed to throw him under the bus at times but weather he wanted to or not, I think he was forced to work with RGIII and try to make him a "Pocket QB"

we don't know what really happened between Gruden and Griffin - IMO Griffin was mainly at fault here and whether that was by not trying hard enough, not buying into what Gruden was trying to get across or just not being able to assimilate what he was being taught, the fact remains, Gruden obviously decided to focus his energies on trying to get Cousins ready to play QB - Griffin was given an awful lot of leeway and opportunity here but unfortunately I think most of it was probably along the line of it's not the pupil who needs to change, the coach needs to change his ways of coaching - I'm sure Gruden tried very hard as he understood the ramifications PLUS Cousins did not look so great early on

Griffin has the physical attributes to be a really good NFL QB but we do not know if he has the fortitude to adapt his mental approach and learn to be able to read defenses and know which receivers are open

I'm afraid that Griffin's only hurdle is himself and I'm not sure he's able to fully believe that he needs to get over that

Hopefully a year on the bench helped wake him up to that reality and he will prove all the haters wrong

SkinsJock wrote:^^ really? Griffin's biggest problem is to find a franchise that will give him the coaching he needs to fix the problems he's having in becoming an NFL QB .... after that he will be hoping for the opportunity to play QB

Griffin has a long way to go and he's going to need a lot of things to go right if he's going to get to the next level

I agree with everything you say. A team like Seattle that runs some zone read stuff would be the place for him to go an learn and if Wilson gets nicked up contribute. I dunno what the Canadian football league is like with its wider field and 3 downs but it might offer Griffin the chance to play now at a lower level competition that might offer him a chance to play and improve. He must have made at least 30M in DC between the Redskins contract and endorsements, I hope he got good advice about investing it and is financially secure if his second act in pro football doesn't work out and he can go on do something he likes like coach or whatever it is that he'll enjoy.

When did QB whisperers become such a hot commodity? Amazing to watch HC being fired so teams can keep the QB guru?? Can Matt Cavanaugh be far behind? I say that, to say this, it bodes well for RG. Surely several of these coaches will feel they can coach him up and take a shot on him.

there are more offenses that have the zone read as part of their offense than do not - the number of teams that will be looking at Griffin is equal to the number of teams that are having issues at QB or that think they have the staff that can help him become a better QB

that is quite a big number of franchises in the NFL - I think the Griffin haters are going to see that this kid can play QB in the NFL

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:I won't believe he isn't going to be on the Skins next year until I see it.

you're convinced that Griffin is not capable of playing QB but the fact that he's still here worries you. Why?

Not capable of playing QB? Did you not watch 2013 or 2014?

We disagree - I think that this kid can play QB in the NFL and that some coach or staff will give him another chance - we shall see

btw - Griffin's future here will be decided by Scot & Jay not by Dan Snyder and that does not happen until Feb. 8th

SkinsJock wrote:btw - Griffin's future here will be decided by Scot & Jay not by Dan Snyder and that does not happen until Feb. 8th

Tell me again why we carried 3 quarterbacks all year long when in reality we could have used the roster spot due to an increasing number of injuries? Yeah, Scot and Jay are deciding what's going on with Griffin. Sure...

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:btw - Griffin's future here will be decided by Scot & Jay not by Dan Snyder and that does not happen until Feb. 8th

Tell me again why we carried 3 quarterbacks all year long when in reality we could have used the roster spot due to an increasing number of injuries? Yeah, Scot and Jay are deciding what's going on with Griffin. Sure...

Griffin is here because of Scot & Jay & the FO, you're obviously not in touch with who is making the decisions here

and, I think you're wrong about Griffin - we shall see

Shanny brought in Cousins and worships the ground he walks on, if Shanny brings anybody to the 49rs them he'll try to bring Cousins. Shanny brought Cousins into the league and stood by him when everybody else was less than supportive, Cousins remembers that.

oj wrote:Shanny brought in Cousins and worships the ground he walks on, if Shanny brings anybody to the 49rs them he'll try to bring Cousins. Shanny brought Cousins into the league and stood by him when everybody else was less than supportive, Cousins remembers that.

Was this meant for a different thread??

I get your drift, but why would Cousins give up an up and coming team to go get rag dolled for a bottom of the barrel team? Sure Shanny drafted him, but Gruden stood by him just the same AND believed in him- oh and Scott is pretty tight with Cap too...

I just hope we lock him up ASAP, so that we can talk about the other holes on the squad already

oj wrote:Shanny brought in Cousins and worships the ground he walks on, if Shanny brings anybody to the 49rs them he'll try to bring Cousins. Shanny brought Cousins into the league and stood by him when everybody else was less than supportive, Cousins remembers that.

What connection does Mike Shanahan have with the 49ers and after what Jay Gruden and Kirk Cousins accomplished here together this past season, why on earth would he feel more of an obligation to Mike Shanahan

this is really simple - the Redskins want Kirk Cousins to be their QB and Kirk Cousins wants to be the Redskins QB


the Robert Griffin III 'saga' begins again on February 8th - I think RG3 can play QB in the NFL - I'm sure that given the current available QBs, some HC or QB 'guru' will persuade a FO to give him a shot - it will be interesting to see what effect, if any, these past 5 months have had

Where are you getting that Feb. 8th date, SJ? I don't think that's right

Deadskins wrote:Where are you getting that Feb. 8th date, SJ? I don't think that's right

This is solely based on the 2016 season beginning the day after the Super Bowl & that the Redskins will likely release Griffin ASAP

btw - has anyone heard any reports or information on what progress, if any, Griffin has made over the past 5 months?

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Where are you getting that Feb. 8th date, SJ? I don't think that's right

This is solely based on the 2016 season beginning the day after the Super Bowl & that the Redskins will likely release Griffin ASAP

btw - has anyone heard any reports or information on what progress, if any, Griffin has made over the past 5 months?

Seems like they were pretty tight-lipped about any progress. Not sure how much they could risk him in practice with the $16 M looming.

DarthMonk wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Where are you getting that Feb. 8th date, SJ? I don't think that's right

This is solely based on the 2016 season beginning the day after the Super Bowl & that the Redskins will likely release Griffin ASAP

btw - has anyone heard any reports or information on what progress, if any, Griffin has made over the past 5 months?

Seems like they were pretty tight-lipped about any progress. Not sure how much they could risk him in practice with the $16 M looming.

I heard he plays a mean safety

My heart skipped a beat this morning ....

Report: ... Griffin suffers hand injury in 'team related incident'








thankfully, it was the Clippers' Blake Griffin

StorminMormon86, OldSchool and markshark84 will get a huge laugh out of this ...

Troy Aikman does not agree with your assessment that Robert Griffin III is not capable of playing QB in the NFL ...

he actually thinks he could end up as possible candidate to play for the pukes ....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... as-in-2016

how great would that be? we'd be able to chalk up 2 wins every season against the pukes if that happened





I think that this kid will surprise many here and show that he's a lot better NFL QB than they think

According to media reports Manziel continues to have off the field and substance issues and bombed in Cleveland. For 4 years Griffin failed to show progress running a conventional NFL offense and was the source of continual distracting drama until he was finally benched. Ever the passive aggressive diva Griffin stirred the pot one more time on the way out.

I would be surprised if Jerry Jones invests a dime of either Griffin or Manziel and I will be absolutely floored if given a chance one of the these Texas busts succeeds andfinds redemption in Dallas. You'd think Aikman would be privy to what Jerry Jones is thinking if any media was but it could also be Aikman is doing Jones a favor by helping Jones feign interest for the benefit of the many Baylor and Texas A&M. Neither one of these former college spread option guys have much aptitude in NFL offenses why invest a spot on either one?

SkinsJock wrote:StorminMormon86, OldSchool and markshark84 will get a huge laugh out of this ...

Troy Aikman does not agree with your assessment that Robert Griffin III is not capable of playing QB in the NFL ...

he actually thinks he could end up as possible candidate to play for the pukes ....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... as-in-2016

how great would that be? we'd be able to chalk up 2 wins every season against the pukes if that happened





I think that this kid will surprise many here and show that he's a lot better NFL QB than they think

Why is this news worthy? It's solely for a backup role. Meaning Aikman does not fully disagree with any assessment that Griffin is capable of starting in the NFL.

I sincerely hope they pick up RG3. Injury prone starter with an injury prone backup.

What could go wrong?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:StorminMormon86, OldSchool and markshark84 will get a huge laugh out of this ...

Troy Aikman does not agree with your assessment that Robert Griffin III is not capable of playing QB in the NFL ...

he actually thinks he could end up as possible candidate to play for the pukes ....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... as-in-2016

how great would that be? we'd be able to chalk up 2 wins every season against the pukes if that happened





I think that this kid will surprise many here and show that he's a lot better NFL QB than they think

Why is this news worthy? It's solely for a backup role. Meaning Aikman does not fully disagree with any assessment that Griffin is capable of starting in the NFL.

While I won't dispute that Griffin probably can be productive somewhere, in the right circumstances, I would note that Aikman hasn't been quite right since Arrington put a knot on his noggin...

^^ agreed - basically Aikman's a tool - I don't put much stock in anything he says ... in truth, he might have some brain damage ....

there's nothing "newsworthy" about this it's just me needling those that think that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL ...

I agree that Griffin was a huge disappointment - I just don't agree with those that think he cannot play QB in the NFL

SkinsJock wrote:it's just me needling those that think that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL ...

See, the thing is, nothing he's done since he entered the league says he can be a pocket passer, which is kind of necessary at the NFL level.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:it's just me needling those that think that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL ...

the thing is, nothing he's done since he entered the league says he can be a pocket passer, which is kind of necessary at the NFL level

I agree ... to an extent - and I also will add that he's got nobody to blame but himself for not becoming a more effective NFL QB ...

I just do not agree with those that think he's incapable of becoming an effective NFL QB

I'm not sure he's going to become an NFL starting QB but I do think this kid can learn to be a lot better QB than we saw in 2013 and 2014

SkinsJock wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:it's just me needling those that think that Griffin cannot play QB in the NFL ...

the thing is, nothing he's done since he entered the league says he can be a pocket passer, which is kind of necessary at the NFL level

I agree ... to an extent - and I also will add that he's got nobody to blame but himself for not becoming a more effective NFL QB ...

I just do not agree with those that think he's incapable of becoming an effective NFL QB

I'm not sure he's going to become an NFL starting QB but I do think this kid can learn to be a lot better QB than we saw in 2013 and 2014

Blind faith.

'Blind faith' - not really even close - I just don't agree with you about RG3's capabilities - you do not think he can become an NFL QB, I do

since 2012, RG3 has not shown much and he's had his chances - I think he can do it and is worth a try for some franchise - you and a few others think that is not possible ... we shall see ....