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I'd add...I DO NOT...I REPEAT I DO NOT want the Dallas game to have any meaning!!

DEHog wrote:I think the Redskins players will to play for Gruden is > the Eagles will to play for Kelly!

Great point, man.

Nice to see everyone getting excited about our postseason prospects. I remember a time, not so long ago, when I seemed to be the only one.

Deadskins wrote:Nice to see everyone getting excited about our postseason prospects. I remember a time, not so long ago, when I seemed to be the only one.

Well, to be fair, I had no opinion and SkinsJock felt strongly both ways.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:SkinsJock felt strongly both ways.

Well, that could apply to most every situation.

Hey guys, been a long time stalker fan of this site. Just joined recently. Love everything Redskins! It has been an awesome season. As for the Eagles, I hope we come with a game plan that has every intention of running the ball down the Eagles throat. If we can do that, then look out for DeSean and Crowder down the field on play action and even Reed across the middle. There is no doubt that we need to win this game. As mentioned earlier, let's not give the Cowgirls the satisfaction of a meaningful game!

DEHog wrote:I'd add...I DO NOT...I REPEAT I DO NOT want the Dallas game to have any meaning!!

Maybe you can do that... but for me, the concept of a "meaningless Dallas game" is not possible...
Beating Dallas is the first goal of any season.

Countertrey wrote:

DEHog wrote:I'd add...I DO NOT...I REPEAT I DO NOT want the Dallas game to have any meaning!!

Maybe you can do that... but for me, the concept of a "meaningless Dallas game" is not possible...
Beating Dallas is the first goal of any season.

I think I'm to the point that I actually dislike the Gina's even more than the Cowpies.

Philly is going to be a tough game, winning a championship game is almost always tough and doing it against Philly will be tough because they are capable of playing tough.

Countertrey wrote:

DEHog wrote:I'd add...I DO NOT...I REPEAT I DO NOT want the Dallas game to have any meaning!!

Maybe you can do that... but for me, the concept of a "meaningless Dallas game" is not possible...
Beating Dallas is the first goal of any season.

Yea I get that...But walking into Dallas with the NFC East Title...priceless!!

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Nice to see everyone getting excited about our postseason prospects. I remember a time, not so long ago, when I seemed to be the only one.

Well, to be fair, I had no opinion and SkinsJock felt strongly both ways.

true dat - I reserve my right to change my mind as often as I like - I'm a Redskins fan, that means I'm not very bright

This week I'm all in on the notion that our guys want this win more than their guys ... next week I may look back and see it different ....

DEHog wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

DEHog wrote:I'd add...I DO NOT...I REPEAT I DO NOT want the Dallas game to have any meaning!!

Maybe you can do that... but for me, the concept of a "meaningless Dallas game" is not possible...
Beating Dallas is the first goal of any season.

Yea I get that...But walking into Dallas with the NFC East Title...priceless!!

Yes... that WILL be outstanding...
Almost as precious as Joey Theisman, in 1978, using the clock then stepping out of the end zone to end the game... just because there was nothing Dallas could do about it. Randy White was FURIOUS!!! Redskins fans loved it... it was a "BHWHAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHA" Monday night memory... one that is burned into the mind of every Redskins fan. It's almost as vivid as "NO DANNY!!! NOOOO!!!". Ahhhh... those were some days...

The rest of the story as told by Dallas.

No wonder these two teams hate each other!

My favorite Cowboys-Redskins story involves two of my all-time Cowboys heroes, Cliff Harris and Charlie Waters. These two guys were the dynamic duo of the Cowboys defensive backfield in the 1970’s. They both played safety. They were like Batman & Robin, Frick & Frack, Cookies & Cream….well, you get the idea.
Cliff & Charlie were also Cowboys-to-the-core, having played their entire professional careers in Dallas, Cliff from 1970-1979 and Charlie from 1970-1981.

The 1970’s was the best decade of the rivalry because there were strong personalities on both teams. Back then, Cowboys fans were repelled by the likes of QB Joe Theismann and head coach George Allen (Allen was great at fanning the flames of the rivalry).

This particular Cliff & Charlie story is from the 1978 game played in Washington D.C. at RFK Stadium, the Redskins home field. The Cowboys lost the game, 9-to-5.

That’s a strange score for a football game…one team scoring 5 points? Actually, before the final play of the contest, the Redskins held a 9-3 lead. Theisman and the Redskins offense were backed up near their own end zone. Rather than risking an interception or a fumble that could cost them the game, Theisman was told by his coaches to intentionally run back towards his own end zone, wasting as much time as possible to run out the clock, and be purposefully tackled in the end zone…thus running out the clock. Yes, it would be a safety (and two points) for the Cowboys, but at least the game would be over and the Redskins would win.

So that’s what Theisman did. But guess who were the Cowboys to tackle Theismann? That’s right: Charlie and Cliff.

Here’s Charlie’s version of what happened after that: “He (Theismann) successfully burned out the clock by scooting around in the end zone, but failed to step out of bounds. He pranced around back there, got caught up in the moment and held the ball up in the air, taunting us. That worked the fans into a frenzy.”

Uh-oh, I can tell this isn’t going to end well. Let’s see what happened next.

Charlie: “I was the first Cowboy to get to Theismann…Help arrived in the form of Randy White who exploded into both Theismann and me….Joe miraculously held on to the ball. Of course a fight broke out because Joe’s offensive linemen didn’t take kindly to Randy and me abusing their leader. It was a short brawl. No one got hurt, but the fans smelled blood.”

Okay, that doesn’t seem so bad. But wait, there’s more.

Charlie: “Defeated, we walked to the back of the end zone toward the ramp to our locker room. The tunnel was a dugout. RFK was a classic old baseball stadium that doubled as a football stadium. The dugout was below field level. The fans spilled over the top of the dugout. Still in full gear, I focused my attention on carefully negotiating the concrete steps with my steel cleats. That’s when the beer bottle exploded on my helmet and beer doused my face and neck, pieces of glass flying everywhere.”

Keep walking, Charlie, keep walking.

Charlie: “I looked up and made eye contact with the attacker, still holding the neck of the shattered bottle. He taunted, ‘Yeah, big guy, that was me. You want some of this?’ I think he felt safe in the stands.”

Please keep walking, Charlie. Hopefully Cliff didn’t see this, or the dynamic duo would fly into action. Speaking of Cliff…Charlie continues the story.

Charlie: “My partner Cliff Harris had witnessed the assault. He had fire in his eyes. He said, ‘Let’s go get him!’. And that’ s just what we did. We climbed up on top of the dugout and launched ourselves right into the midsts of the Washington fans, fists flailing. We bloodied as many as we could before two security guards literally dragged us out of the melee by our ankles. Cliff and I exchanged elated high-fives as we scurried up the tunnel to the dressing room.”

Oh, man. I bet the NFL went crazy! Cliff & Charlie must have been fined, maybe even suspended. Surely there were consequences!

Uh, no. This was the 1970’s…and it was Cowboys-Redskins.

Charlie: “There were no fines, no lawsuits, no suspensions – no repercussions whatsoever. And thank goodness there were no cameras.”

Those were the good ol’ days, alright. I’ve heard Charlie & Cliff tell this story on Cowboys Radio many times through the years. Of course, like all great tales, it gets better and better with time.

I see Channel 9 is airing the game, it looked like it was going to be on cable only NFL network. WooHoo! this is like a playoff game in intensity.

Countertrey wrote: Almost as precious as Joey Theisman, in 1978, using the clock then stepping out of the end zone to end the game... just because there was nothing Dallas could do about it. Randy White was FURIOUS!!! Redskins fans loved it... it was a "BHWHAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHA" Monday night memory... one that is burned into the mind of every Redskins fan. It's almost as vivid as "NO DANNY!!! NOOOO!!!". Ahhhh... those were some days...

oj wrote:I see Channel 9 is airing the game, it looked like it was going to be on cable only NFL network. WooHoo! this is like a playoff game in intensity.

I was thinking its kind of like a playoff game with training wheels. Win or (almost) go home.

SkinsJock wrote:true dat - I reserve my right to change my mind as often as I like

We've noticed. I believe I saw you write "I hope Gruden is back" and "I could care less if Gruden is back" posts within a two hour span yesterday.

ReverendRedskin wrote:Hey guys, been a long time stalker fan of this site. Just joined recently. Love everything Redskins! It has been an awesome season. As for the Eagles, I hope we come with a game plan that has every intention of running the ball down the Eagles throat. If we can do that, then look out for DeSean and Crowder down the field on play action and even Reed across the middle. There is no doubt that we need to win this game. As mentioned earlier, let's not give the Cowgirls the satisfaction of a meaningful game!

Welcome aboard, ReverendRedskin! Glad you decided to register.

ReverendRedskin wrote:Hey guys, been a long time stalker fan of this site.

Cheers! Quit lurking and jump in.

Deadskins wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:SkinsJock felt strongly both ways.

Well, that could apply to most every situation.

it's OK - BG&F likes to stir the pot ... and, in my case, it's harder to 'hit' a moving target

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:true dat - I reserve my right to change my mind as often as I like

We've noticed. I believe I saw you write "I hope Gruden is back" and "I could care less if Gruden is back" posts within a two hour span yesterday.

SEE - I hope he's back because we're about to play a HUGE game & the players seem to be responding to him ... it's short term emotion

and

then I look at the big picture for next season and beyond and I just don't really care if he's here or not because I have a lot of faith in Scot and the FO and they would only replace him with someone they felt would be better for the franchise and that's good enough for me

the pukes game was huge and we could have won that game if Jay had done his job better - hopefully he get's it right this Saturday

SkinsJock wrote:the pukes game was huge and we could have won that game if Jay had done his job better

Good point, man. Its probably too much to ask the 53 professional football players to man up at home and beat the last place team in the division missing their starting QB with the playoffs on the line. They obviously did everything they could do, but just couldn't overcome the fact that Jay Gruden didn't call enough plays that involved the fullback. Let's be honest, that's pretty much insurmountable for any team.

You do this stuff professionally or something and you're just not telling us?

so you liked the offensive play calling for much of the first half? btw the offense does not have 53 players - you're obviously a professional

and ...yes, I did think the players did play pretty well but were let down by some very conservative and predictable play calling offensively

Kirk was good but he was really good when the play calling changed ...

btw - next time you're watching a game you may want to note that it's a 60 minute game - you play to win not play like you don't want to lose

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:the pukes game was huge and we could have won that game if Jay had done his job better

Good point, man. Its probably too much to ask the 53 professional football players to man up at home and beat the last place team in the division missing their starting QB with the playoffs on the line. They obviously did everything they could do, but just couldn't overcome the fact that Jay Gruden didn't call enough plays that involved the fullback. Let's be honest, that's pretty much insurmountable for any team.

You do this stuff professionally or something and you're just not telling us?

what I'm saying is that we should have won that game and while I understand that Jay Gruden did not lose the game by himself. he did not do his job very well either - the pukes are in terrible shape and we should have won that game

the HC gets the credit for what he's done and he should also take the blame for what he did not do - find a way for his team to win



be a big shame to not find a way to win this game against the eagles this week - big shame to be out coached twice by loser franchises

be a HUGE thing to find a way to win this game - we shall see what he's made of ...