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Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:47 pm**

AGREED - Scot has done very well for us - there were so many areas of need that it would be hard to not have done well but Scot and the FO have really shown how badly this franchise has been managed for so many years

you've got to believe that Scot has a plan and we could be seeing a huge turnaround in a very short amount of time

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:10 pm**

Scot McC likes to draft big nasties. Big men win big football games. I think he'd put more value on an O-line or D-line prospect than a WR. If WR is the BPA available at our pick, look for a trade down if possible.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:25 pm**

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Scot McC likes to draft big nasties. Big men win big football games. I think he'd put more value on an O-line or D-line prospect than a WR. If WR is the BPA available at our pick, look for a trade down if possible.

Yeah no doubt he's smart enough to value the guys on the line. But he did draft Michael Crabtree at #10 a few years ago.

He does seem to value big, nasty players which is cool. I just think he's shown from his record that he's good at finding guys who can play football and doesn't seem to care about the conventional wisdom. Like CLL wrote, I'm not expecting to see him pick any Malcolm Kelly's.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:33 pm**

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Scot McC likes to draft big nasties. Big men win big football games. I think he'd put more value on an O-line or D-line prospect than a WR. If WR is the BPA available at our pick, look for a trade down if possible.

I agree with this, but he did come out and say he was going to pick Amari Cooper if he feel to us at #5 in this past draft.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:40 pm**

When you have a chance to take a real impact player in the draft you have to take him. I think Amari Cooper has about the same amount of production this year as DJax and Garcon combined! haha.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:48 pm**

riggofan wrote:When you have a chance to take a real impact player in the draft you have to take him. I think Amari Cooper has about the same amount of production this year as DJax and Garcon combined! haha.

Well, true but Chokeland kind of fell into something with Derek Carr.

Posted: **Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:36 pm**

I do think the Redskins could benefit from a fast tall down the field threat. I dunno if I would want to spend the first round pick on a tall receiver though. Maybe one's available latter in the draft or the Skins can get a big play big guy in FA.

I'm concerned about Jackson. When he's healthy he's a game changer but we missed him for half the season and than it took a few games to get him involved. Management knows the story about him better than us it bugs me when a guy misses some of the preseason workouts and gets hurt early in the year.

Posted: **Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:29 pm**

markshark84 wrote:
Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Scot McC likes to draft big nasties. Big men win big football games. I think he'd put more value on an O-line or D-line prospect than a WR. If WR is the BPA available at our pick, look for a trade down if possible.

I agree with this, but he did come out and say he was going to pick Amari Cooper if he feel to us at #5 in this past draft.

Yeah, he doesn't always go with the biggest guy. That's just a theme to the kind of football players he thinks are best. But we spent 20% of our draft picks on WRs this year and the one who made the final roster isn't a big man.

Posted: **Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:57 pm**

OldSchool wrote:I'm concerned about Jackson. When he's healthy he's a game changer but we missed him for half the season and than it took a few games to get him involved. Management knows the story about him better than us it bugs me when a guy misses some of the preseason workouts and gets hurt early in the year.

Yeah, but none of these guys avoid injury forever. Even the big ones. I'm just not sure DJax is a true #1, every down WR. Or maybe he is and we're just not using him correctly. There's probably some truth to the argument that Gruden needs to find more ways to get him the ball than just sending him deep all the time.

To your point, I'll be curious to see if he changes his approach to the offseason next year after the hamstring injury. As players get older, definitely need to start taking conditioning even more seriously.

Irn-Bru wrote:Yeah, he doesn't always go with the biggest guy. That's just a theme to the kind of football players he thinks are best. But we spent 20% of our draft picks on WRs this year and the one who made the final roster isn't a big man.

He drafted Russell Wilson too, yeah?

Posted: **Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:17 pm**

OldSchool wrote:it bugs me when a guy misses some of the preseason workouts and gets hurt early in the year.

This.

Posted: **Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:48 pm**

riggofan wrote:Yeah, but none of these guys avoid injury forever. Even the big ones. I'm just not sure DJax is a true #1, every down WR. Or maybe he is and we're just not using him correctly. There's probably some truth to the argument that Gruden needs to find more ways to get him the ball than just sending him deep all the time.

He sure looked like a #1 today, eh???

Posted: **Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:58 am**

Irn-Bru wrote:Yeah, he doesn't always go with the biggest guy. That's just a theme to the kind of football players he thinks are best. But we spent 20% of our draft picks on WRs this year and the one who made the final roster isn't a big man.

That's because he's talented enough to find talent at any position, at any position in the draft. He's truly able to go BPA because he can find other areas of need in the latter rounds.

An Amari Cooper sized/gifted receiver in this offense would immediately send into the stratosphere.

Posted: **Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:24 am**

We lack redzone threats...so whether or not we draft a big target at wr or te im cool with it.

Posted: **Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:31 am**

mastdark81 wrote:We lack redzone threats...so whether or not we draft a big target at wr or te im cool with it.

Well, we just poached one off of the Bills practice squad.

Posted: **Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:33 am**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
mastdark81 wrote:We lack redzone threats...so whether or not we draft a big target at wr or te im cool with it.

Well, we just poached one off of the Bills practice squad.

Not to mention the vast majority of ours are on I.R. :evil:

Posted: **Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:35 am**

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
mastdark81 wrote:We lack redzone threats...so whether or not we draft a big target at wr or te im cool with it.

Well, we just poached one off of the Bills practice squad.

Not to mention the vast majority of ours are on I.R.

I wouldn't call Niles, Paulsen or any of our other IR TE's redzone threats. Reed is the only one. We'll see about this new kid, he's 6 foot 6 inches or so.

Posted: **Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:42 am**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I wouldn't call Niles, Paulsen or any of our other IR TE's redzone threats. Reed is the only one. We'll see about this new kid, he's 6 foot 6 inches or so.

Niles Paul should be a red zone threat. Carrier should be one as well. Paulsen, not so much.

Posted: **Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:47 am**

OldSchool wrote:I do think the Redskins could benefit from a fast tall down the field threat. I dunno if I would want to spend the first round pick on a tall receiver though. Maybe one's available latter in the draft or the Skins can get a big play big guy in FA.

I'm concerned about Jackson. When he's healthy he's a game changer but we missed him for half the season and than it took a few games to get him involved. Management knows the story about him better than us it bugs me when a guy misses some of the preseason workouts and gets hurt early in the year.

When a guy shows up out of shape it bugs me too..

Only Djax didn't. He also has his own training regime, which is not something he can get from our staff. The fast feet, quick reflex drills... Are exactly why he is the playmaker he is. It pays dividends when he is healthy, so why change it?

HIS injury was that of the "freak" nature.. running into a piece of equipment can hardly be contributed to his not making optional training camps.

Plus his girl was mad preggo, with my wife about to pop- I already know where I'd be too.

Posted: **Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:01 am**

Funny how many comments I heard last night about Alabama ILB Reggie Ragland going to the Skins in the draft.

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I'll bet Scot McCloughan LOVES Reggie Ragland.

http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events ... a3d492e7a8

In his first mock draft of the year, CBSSports.com’s Rob Rang thinks the Redskins – currently pegged with the No. 22 overall pick – will take University of Alabama inside linebacker Reggie Ragland.

“Washington is surrendering 4.8 yards per carry on the ground, 31st in the NFL. The Crimson Tide, on the other hand, are among the stoutest run defenders in the country with Ragland playing a starring role. General manager Scot McCloughan might see Ragland as able to provide an immediate impact similar to the one Patrick Willis made when Washington's top scout was heading up the 49ers front office,” Rang writes.

Ragland, a senior out of Madison, Ala., was selected as a unanimous first-team All-American and was also selected as a member of the SEC First Team by conference coaches and The Associated Press.

In 13 games to date, Ragland has accumulated a career-high 51 tackles with six passes defensed, 2.5 sacks and two fumbles forced.

Against the University of Tennessee earlier this year, Ragland made a season-high 12 tackles.

If McCloughan likes him enough, I'd have no problem seeing them bring in a beast at ILB.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:58 am**

ESPN 980 has been doing this morning Redskins show all week. Part of the show is "Redskins Rewind" where they've reviewed all of the wins. Really struck me how hugely important Jordan Reed has been this season. I knew it, but going back over each game, its kind of mind blowing. He's *nearly* become as important to the Skins as Gronk is to the Pats.

I posted that comment in this thread just to say, MAN, I hope McCloughan has been scouting TEs closely. I'd feel a lot better next year knowing we have some quality depth behind Reed.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:31 am**

riggofan wrote:Funny how many comments I heard last night about Alabama ILB Reggie Ragland going to the Skins in the draft.

I'm not sure Ragland will be on the board when we draft. He's a top 15 pick by most estimates. I think he would have been there had we had the season those same "experts" predicted we'd have.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:40 am**

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:
riggofan wrote:Funny how many comments I heard last night about Alabama ILB Reggie Ragland going to the Skins in the draft.

I'm not sure Ragland will be on the board when we draft. He's a top 15 pick by most estimates. I think he would have been there had we had the season those same "experts" predicted we'd have.

Yeah looks that way currently. We moved down to #25 winning the division.

NESN gave us this guy in their draft yesterday:

25. Washington Redskins (9-7): Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama Reed commands double teams and shows decent athleticism for a man his size. The Redskins could use a defensive tackle with those skills after giving up the second-most rushing yards per game and per attempt.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2016/01/2016-nfl-mock-d ... order-set/

CBS Sports:

Washington Redskins: Andrew Billings, NT, Baylor
Although he said he will return to Baylor for his senior season, Billings is playing himself into a high draft pick and plans might change. The Redskins have used veterans to fill the nose tackle spot, but Billings would give them a long-term option.

I'd be happy with d-line in the first round either way.

Some analysis from NFL.com too:

25. Washington Redskins
2015 record: 9-7 (.465)
Top need: Center
Other needs: Wide receiver, cornerback, defensive line, offensive tackle
Senior prospects at positional needs: Center: Nick Martin (Notre Dame), Mike Matthews (Texas A&M); WR: D.J. Foster (Arizona State), Sterling Shepard (Oklahoma), Josh Doctson (TCU); CB: Maurice Canady (Virginia), Danzel McDaniel (Kansas State), Will Redmond (Mississippi State); DL: DeForest Buckner (Oregon), Shilique Calhoun (Michigan State), Sheldon Day (Notre Dame), Jarran Reed (Alabama), Adolphus Washington (Ohio State); OT: Vadal Alexander (LSU), Taylor Decker (Ohio State), Spencer Drango (Baylor).

Seem to agree with a lot of us about the need at center.

I wonder how far Jaylon Smith might drop after the knee injury? If you could get him at #25 still would you?

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:47 pm**

Using any logic or reasoning based on what this franchise did prior to Scot & this FO is just ignorant

you can't complain about something that did not exist - we didn't have a plan + we had ZERO knowledge of how to manage/run a franchise

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:06 pm**

I can see us going NT, as I don't know if Knighton has done enough to warrant the money he wants. He may go elsewhere. I think this team will look drastically different next year.

Posted: **Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:04 pm**

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I can see us going NT, as I don't know if Knighton has done enough to warrant the money he wants. He may go elsewhere. I think this team will look drastically different next year.

Would make sense. Its too bad about Pot Roast though. I like him and I think he's been a good addition to that group. That d-line group has really led the team in a lot of ways IMO.

But you're right that he hasn't really performed where I'd expect the team to pay him a bunch to keep him around.

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