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PulpExposure wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:It's hard to discern if it's Gruden or Kirk is still gun shy... It's prolly both.

McVay?

It's not McVay. He's the Offensive Coordinator, but Gruden calls the plays.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:It's hard to discern if it's Gruden or Kirk is still gun shy... It's prolly both.

It could be but Kirk seems like he wants to make plays. He doesn't come off as a guy who wants to be a game manager.

Completely agree. If anything, he's more of a gunslinger by nature.

Could be a way Gruden sees to cut down on the risky throws (INTs)?

I've kind of suspected all along that's what it is but he's virtually eliminated the interceptions (one in five games is nothing to be concerned with) so one would think Gruden would remove the kid gloves if he's the one holding the offense back.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I've kind of suspected all along that's what it is but he's virtually eliminated the interceptions (one in five games is nothing to be concerned with) so one would think Gruden would remove the kid gloves if he's the one holding the offense back.

Still think you need to take tepid steps in removing the kid gloves. We could live with an INT, but not multiple INTs. Our defense is not strong enough to overcome our offense turning the ball over.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I've kind of suspected all along that's what it is but he's virtually eliminated the interceptions (one in five games is nothing to be concerned with) so one would think Gruden would remove the kid gloves if he's the one holding the offense back.

Still think you need to take tepid steps in removing the kid gloves. We could live with an INT, but not multiple INTs. Our defense is not strong enough to overcome our offense turning the ball over.

I disagree. Our defense has been a strength. We're forcing turnovers. We're not scoring any points off those turnovers which is not the fault of the defense.

PulpExposure wrote:It's not McVay. He's the Offensive Coordinator, but Gruden calls the plays.

Sort of. There was a pretty good explanation of the play calling in the Post a few weeks back if you're interested.

Things work a little differently this year. Bill Callahan’s addition to the coaching staff added a third member to the game-planning and play-calling process. During training camp, Gruden explained that Callahan selects the run calls and that he and McVay handle the play selection on passing downs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... ame-plans/

Seems a little convoluted to me to be honest.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote: ... Our defense has been a strength. We're forcing turnovers. We're not scoring any points off those turnovers ...

BINGO

Wake up Gruden - week 15 is here - the coaching staff should have learned something from their mistakes, don't you think ... geez

riggofan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:It's not McVay. He's the Offensive Coordinator, but Gruden calls the plays.

Sort of. There was a pretty good explanation of the play calling in the Post a few weeks back if you're interested.

Things work a little differently this year. Bill Callahan’s addition to the coaching staff added a third member to the game-planning and play-calling process. During training camp, Gruden explained that Callahan selects the run calls and that he and McVay handle the play selection on passing downs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... ame-plans/

Seems a little convoluted to me to be honest.

Thanks. Agreed. Lot of cooks in that kitchen...

riggofan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:It's not McVay. He's the Offensive Coordinator, but Gruden calls the plays.

Sort of. There was a pretty good explanation of the play calling in the Post a few weeks back if you're interested.

Things work a little differently this year. Bill Callahan’s addition to the coaching staff added a third member to the game-planning and play-calling process. During training camp, Gruden explained that Callahan selects the run calls and that he and McVay handle the play selection on passing downs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... ame-plans/

Seems a little convoluted to me to be honest.

I didn't know this, but it makes sense ---- and if that's truly the case, then:
1. Callahan needs to relinquish those duties. Seriously, I have noticed significant differences in creativity/adjustments/etc. in our run plays vs. pass plays. We have enough issues at OL, he should spend more time fixing those. This must have been one of the reasons he was willing to move laterally from DAL to us.

2. Perhaps Gruden isn't as bad of a playcaller as I thought.

3. HOWEVER, things are still grossly predictable --- perhaps the Callahan-Gruden/McVay tradeoff situation is the cause. If you have one guy calling runs vs. passes, I would think you'd have to communicate that directly after the last play (or before the series) and streamlining this type of communication could be accomplished by saying "in XYZ scenario, we run; in ABC scenario, we pass" --- resulting in predictability. I could go more into this, but it'll get too long. I'm just trying to say the added communication may be an issue that creates a predictable offense.

4. I still would like to see a new OC, but a move of Callahan to OC would be insanely idiotic. After hearing this, I'd actually prefer McVay to Callahan as OC.