Should the Skins re-sign Cousins....?

[riggofan]

It's not going to get any better. Some guy said he was at the game yesterday and was yelling for Cousins to be benched.

After his first incompletion.

Others are on social media saying that unless he wins the division with a 10-6 record, they won't believe in him.

It's freaking ridiculous.

I'm just tuning them out. Gruden seems to have made the right call on the QB, and I'm 100% on board with McCloughan. If SM decides to re-sign Cousins, that will be enough for me.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

It's freaking ridiculous.

I'm just tuning them out.

We hold these truths to be self-evident that not all quarterbacks are created equal. One of these Redskins quarterbacks is not like the others.

[markshark84]

And many Cousins haters still around.

This Saints game should close the book (slowly) on such haters.

Can you please name one single "Cousins hater."

I don't think there are any "haters" left (well accept for the 1 dude that voted no) --- mainly because at this point, it would be completely idiotic to be one. Cousins has proven to be a decent QB and upgrade from last year (i.e., RGIII, McCoy, and last year's Cousins). He has also shown improvement over the course of the season and it is clear the players both like and respect him.

I think the comment was directed at the people who initially posted things like how Cousins was another Rex Grossman, that he threw too many picks, he wasn't a short term solution to our QB problem, he didn't deserve to start, they didn't give RGIII a real chance, or that he should have been benched after the NYG game (and then again after the NYJ game). It may also be the group that still thinks RGIII should start or get re-signed next season in an effort to make him the starter down the line. It may also be the fact that the posters and fans who made these comments haven't eaten crow about it and/or admitted that Cousins is either better or has improved more than they thought he could. There are still posters and non-THN fans that believe this --- at least I still know a handful of quite vocal ones. Then again, it may not be. Since I don't agree, I shouldn't put words in others mouths, but this is my guess.

Then again it could also be articles like this one: http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/21500/redskins-qb-kirk-cousins-spectacular-day-occurred-by-doing-the-ordinary --- which basically says that Cousins' 20-25, 324, 4 TD performance was more a result of proper "game management" than making plays.

[DEHog]

Just wait til Cousins next two INT game...the haters will suface!!

[SkinsJock]

haters are going to hate, it's what they do ... The Redskins would love to sign Cousins and I think they should as soon as they can ...

why on earth would Cousins sign a contract at this time IF he knew that he was going to get offered more at the end of the season?

please explain to this poor Aussie fan that obviously does not have a clue

[Deadskins]

And many Cousins haters still around.

This Saints game should close the book (slowly) on such haters.

Can you please name one single "Cousins hater."

hitmandm

That wasn't really that hard. Go back a dozen posts and tell me that guy isn't a ridiculous hater.

Can give you that one possibly, though it seems to be more of a hate on Gruden and Kirk by association. Still, it is far from the "many" tribe was citing.

[StorminMormon86]

FWIW, C00ley has said that Kirk likes it here, likes playing in Jay's system, and that he thinks they should re-sign him now.

And Kirk said something in his presser yesterday about how much he'd like to play with Crowder moving forward, so he's already hinting that he wants to stay beyond this year.

[Deadskins]

FWIW, C00ley has said that Kirk likes it here, likes playing in Jay's system, and that he thinks they should re-sign him now.

And Kirk said something in his presser yesterday about how much he'd like to play with Crowder moving forward, so he's already hinting that he wants to stay beyond this year.

This is good news. CC and Cousins are tight, so he probably knows what he's talking about.

[riggofan]

haters are going to hate, it's what they do ... The Redskins would love to sign Cousins and I think they should as soon as they can ...

why on earth would Cousins sign a contract at this time IF he knew that he was going to get offered more at the end of the season?

please explain to this poor Aussie fan that obviously does not have a clue

Seems like the biggest reason would be to protect himself. He still has to play seven games on this current contract. What if he tears up his shoulder or shreds an ACL before the end of the season? Its a risk for him or any other player.

I kinda doubt an extension happens this year though. Could be wrong about this, but it seems like after a certain point in the season players are more willing to take the risk and wait for the end of the season. Cousins doesn't know for sure if he'll get better offers as a free agent, but it would be a great position to be in if he finishes the season well.

[Gibbo100]

http://realsport101.com/nfl-week-10-ten ... d-to-know/

sounds like Kirk Cousins absolutely killed it against the Saints!

anyone got any sick highlights to discuss?

[SkinsJock]

I just think that players (and especially their agents) like to 'earn' their big payday when they can and IMO Cousins and his agent are going to put that on the line - I agree that there's a risk but that's part of life in the NFL - the thing is the Redskins have zero options and nobody coming out of college is all that exciting - Cousins has got to like his situation ...

however ... If I was Cousins and the Redskins made me a decent offer, I'd take it ... we shall see

[SkinsJock]

Cousins has to like where he stands and that the Redskins having a shot at winning the NFC East ....

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... n-the-east

having 4 games left against pukes (2) giants and eagles is a huge opportunity and the pukes losing their last 7 is a horrible deal for them

[Countertrey]

This post is way early! Kirk fans praising Kirk.
Let's see him play consistently the rest of the season, there are better defenses to play like the Panthers for instance. If the price is right and he plays consistently. Then yes would be glad to see him back! Start discussing and voting this next January and March!!!

I don't understand any of this. I am not a "Kirk fan". I am a Redskins fan. We have a quarterback whom HAS demonstrated consistency. The New England game was all about accurate passes DROPPED by receivers. Change THAT and change the outcome.

NO ONE is claiming Kirk to be the savior. No one is declaring him to be the next coming of Sonny. However, just like Theisman, he may be "good enough"... and he is clearly getting better. Waiting to negotiate the next contract simply increases the risk that someone else will dangle much larger, more delicious, carrots once FA comes around... and we have no one on the roster to pick it up.

There remains a crowd of bitter Kirkophobes, clinging against hope for his immediate replacement... by whom, no one knows... which I simply don't understand.

Everyone here knows how much I hoped for the skins to draft Bob. They also know that I was happy with the selection of Kirk later in the draft. Kirk pitched a perfect game yesterday... it does not matter that it was against the Saints... It matters that he did it.

[hitmandm]

And many Cousins haters still around.

This Saints game should close the book (slowly) on such haters.

Can you please name one single "Cousins hater."

hitmandm

That wasn't really that hard. Go back a dozen posts and tell me that guy isn't a ridiculous hater.

I am a Cousins realist. You guys are doing the Gus Frerotte Dance again.

[SkinsJock]

Let me reaffirm what 'trey posted above - there should be no doubt at all that Kirk Cousins has improved a lot ...

and, we should be so lucky that he's a part of this franchise for 2016 - he's still got to show that he can be more consistent but his decision making has improved dramatically

[OldSchool]

I want Gruden and Cousins back. I would offer Cousins now, I've seen enough of to believe he is going to be at least an average starter over the next 3 years so I would offer him a guaranteed base of 8M per year (24M) with another 24 or 36M in incentives that bumped him up to average money if he's average, better than average or much better than average. I don't know if 8 is the right base maybe more maybe less but I think Cousins is a decent starter and would at least be average for 3 more seasons. I spend the next couple of years drafting and acquiring FA to build out a stronger supporting cast. After the 2nd year of the deal, when Cousins has started 3 seasons, I make a determination if Cousins has secured the job and warrants another extension prior to the 3rd year of the contract and extend him or if it would make sense to draft a starter to groom for a year or two.

I would offer the deal now in the hopes it gives a confidence boost that elevates his game even further. Kirk has plenty of confidence but I think a huge contract would assure him he has won the confidence of the owner.

[DEHog]

I want Gruden and Cousins back. I would offer Cousins now, I've seen enough of to believe he is going to be at least an average starter over the next 3 years so I would offer him a guaranteed base of 8M per year (24M) with another 24 or 36M in incentives that bumped him up to average money if he's average, better than average or much better than average. I don't know if 8 is the right base maybe more maybe less but I think Cousins is a decent starter and would at least be average for 3 more seasons. I spend the next couple of years drafting and acquiring FA to build out a stronger supporting cast. After the 2nd year of the deal, when Cousins has started 3 seasons, I make a determination if Cousins has secured the job and warrants another extension prior to the 3rd year of the contract and extend him or if it would make sense to draft a starter to groom for a year or two.

I would offer the deal now in the hopes it gives a confidence boost that elevates his game even further. Kirk has plenty of confidence but I think a huge contract would assure him he has won the confidence of the owner.

I think the market will bare much more than that, I do think a shorter deal would be in the best interest for Cousins and the team. Look at the deal Tannehill just got! I'm seeing something similar to that, maybe not as long..maybe 3 years with an option for a 4th in the 12-15 mil a year range??

[EA7649]

I think the market will bare much more than that, I do think a shorter deal would be in the best interest for Cousins and the team. Look at the deal Tannehill just got! I'm seeing something similar to that, maybe not as long..maybe 3 years with an option for a 4th in the 12-15 mil a year range??

YUP A short term deal is ideal and not crazy money. Then yes I would like to see Kirk as the QB and what Oldschool said, determine for him in the future after the 3 years when he will more than likely get more money. I'd feel comfortable with that.

[EA7649]

This post is way early! Kirk fans praising Kirk.
Let's see him play consistently the rest of the season, there are better defenses to play like the Panthers for instance. If the price is right and he plays consistently. Then yes would be glad to see him back! Start discussing and voting this next January and March!!!

I don't understand any of this. I am not a "Kirk fan". I am a Redskins fan. We have a quarterback whom HAS demonstrated consistency. The New England game was all about accurate passes DROPPED by receivers. Change THAT and change the outcome.

NO ONE is claiming Kirk to be the savior. No one is declaring him to be the next coming of Sonny. However, just like Theisman, he may be "good enough"... and he is clearly getting better. Waiting to negotiate the next contract simply increases the risk that someone else will dangle much larger, more delicious, carrots once FA comes around... and we have no one on the roster to pick it up.

There remains a crowd of bitter Kirkophobes, clinging against hope for his immediate replacement... by whom, no one knows... which I simply don't understand.

Everyone here knows how much I hoped for the skins to draft Bob. They also know that I was happy with the selection of Kirk later in the draft. Kirk pitched a perfect game yesterday... it does not matter that it was against the Saints... It matters that he did it.

You are probably right on price increasing after every game. If its a reasonable short term deal like 3 years or so. Then yes. If he is offered a 3 year 6-8 million per year deal then yes. If its 12-15 million then NO. If I was Kirk's agent I wouldn't accept a 6 million dollar deal right now, I'd wait for the season to end. Flacco waited a season to make bake and he ultimately did. (I don't expect that kind of money or a superbowl win this season) But still. I guarantee some of the Ravens management regret paying so much and such a long term deal for Flacco. I'll vote on this poll when it becomes more clear with the finances and Kirk willing to do a deal in the immediate future.
Don't get me wrong. If Kirk continues to show he is the guy and a reasonable deal is met then I would be thrilled! Wouldn't have to think about drafting a qb early for a few years. Kirk has shown that he is not the same Kirk as the past, and I'm starting to gain confidence. But our current GM is MUCH SMARTER when it comes to this than ME, FANS, MEDIA, AND HIS COLLEAGUES.
And I think the reason I was talking about Kirk fans praising him is because most of those fans are RG3 haters and sometimes they continue to make a stab at him. We get it Kirk is the better opition right now, what's done is done.

[StorminMormon86]

and, we should be so lucky that he's a part of this franchise for 2016 - he's still got to show that he can be more consistent but his decision making has improved dramatically

No he's not.

And what happened to calling him "Captain Pick"?

[DEHog]

Here's are the 31 QB's in order of salary...I highlighted the teams that IMO "may" be looking for a starting QB...So maybe upwards of 8 or 9 teams (Redskins included) with interest in Cousins...it only takes two to drive the price up!!


Aaron Rodgers $22,000,000
Russell Wilson Seahawks $21,900,000
Ben Roethlisberger Steelers $21,850,000
Eli Manning Giants $21,000,000
Philip Rivers Chargers $20,812,500
Cam Newton Panthers $20,760,000
Matt Ryan Falcons $20,750,000
Joe Flacco Ravens $20,100,000
Drew Brees Saints $20,000,000
Ryan Tannehill Dolphins $19,250,000
Colin Kaepernick 49ers $19,000,000
Jay Cutler Bears $18,100,000
Tony Romo Cowboys $18,000,000
Matt Stafford Lions $17,666,667
Alex Smith Chiefs $17,000,000
Peyton Manning Broncos $17,000,000
Carson Palmer Cardinals $16,500,000
Andy Dalton Bengals $16,000,000
Sam Bradford Eagles $13,000,000
Nick Foles Rams $12,250,000
Tom Brady Patriots $9,000,000
Andrew Luck Colts $7,652,600
Jameis Winston Buccaneers $6,337,819
Marcus Mariota Titans $6,053,494
Brian Hoyer Texans $5,250,000
Blake Bortles Jaguars $5,163,701
Josh McCown Browns $4,666,667
Ryan Fitzpatrick Jets $3,625,000
Teddy Bridgewater Vikings $1,712,376
Derek Carr Raiders $$1,342,951
Tyrod Taylor Bills $1,116,667

[SkinsJock]

I have faith in Scot's judgement that we will offer Kirk Cousins what he's worth to us or maybe a little bit more ... If it's all about the money for Kirk Cousins and he can have a great last 7 games and get himself a good offer from another franchise that is more than that amount, then, good luck to him - we need to continue to build this franchise and not make a mistake in over-paying any player

look at where Tom Brady is on that list and that is the best QB in the NFL and one of the top QBs of all time

[SkinsJock]

and there's this ....

Is Kirk Cousins a star QB
If we acknowledge the Saints' defensive issues are systemic, we should probably give a healthy discount to Cousins' stunning Week 10 performance. The 78-yard touchdown Cousins threw to Matt Jones was indicative of both points, as the Saints' badly bungled their coverage of the simple screen pass -- highlighted by Brandon Browner 's seemingly unthinkable decision to lay out a blocker rather than go for the tackle. We shouldn't take too much credit away from Cousins, who made other plays and has now turned in 2 gems in his last three games after a miserable start to the season. However, we're still talking about a quarterback who has two more multiple-interception games (4) as multi-TD games. Cousins had his 2 good games against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Saints, two of the nine-worst passing defenses in the league, according to FootballOutsiders.com's DVOA stat, so we know he can take advantage of good matchups. Unfortunately, beginning with the Panthers in Week 11, Cousins' only matchup with a bottom-10 passing defense is the New York Giants in Week 12.

Is he there yet? Let's wait and see

[riggofan]

look at where Tom Brady is on that list and that is the best QB in the NFL and one of the top QBs of all time

You really can't look at that list and say "Tom Brady is only making $9m therefore..." Brady signed a deal in 2011 that made him the highest paid QB in the league. He got millions in guaranteed money. Last year he did some kind of weird renegotiation that freed up cash for the team to sign free agents. It was also a big time hometown discount that players NEVER do.

Also you can't compare QB's salaries like that from year to year. Contracts go up every single year as cap space goes up. This is how you end up seeing a guy like Russell Wilson signing a contract this year and making something close or more to the contract that Aaron Rodgers signed two years ago. It doesn't mean he's a better QB than Rodgers.

Fans are going to have to get over the actual number with Cousins - whatever it is - if the team makes him an offer. Starting QBs make a lot of money. There aren't that many of them. That's why Ryan Tannehill is making $19m this year.

I think the focus should be less on the actual $$ amount and more on it being a team friendly deal that doesn't kill them if things don't work out. Snyder has the cash and Allen has the skill to make a deal like that.

[OldSchool]

The numbers posted above are staggering to say the least. I wonder if these large amounts are the base salary for the year or the maximum the guy could make if he qualifies for all of his incentives? If these amounts are the base salaries of starting QBs the Skins would be smart to put a generous offer with a lot of guaranteed money in front of Kirk's agent tomorrow and get it done.

I would do it now because I'd rather lock the guy up now and risk losing making a bargain if he has a few bad games down the stretch that would lower his price. If Scot and Jay know now they want him, if they have already seen enough they should do it now. If Scot ties up Kirk up front he knows what he has to work on the rest of the roster. I also think an agreement tomorrow could help Kirk and Jay play looser and improve the chances of winning the division this year.

Worse case you over pay for an average QB that keeps his feet on the ground and works hard to win every week. They can rely on their own estimate of Cousins performance and his potential as well as his character and drive for success. The way these QB salaries keep increasing even if Cousins plateaus at mediocre his salary won't look out of line in a couple of seasons. The upside is Kirk thinks fast enough and works hard enough to play like Brady or Brady like for a decade. Imagine the Skins with a solid to great QB situation for a decade! The expected outcome is something in between during the next 3-4 years of the contract while SM beefs up other parts of the roster thru the draft and FA.