Sean McVay

[SkinsJock]

all that is true but so is the fact that Dan Snyder owns this franchise and if he really did not want Griffin here he would be gone

FACT IS - Griffin is here because Dan wants him here - now it also may be that Scot thinks it's a good idea to keep him here - AND it could be that the QB coach has a feeling that Griffin is getting better at playing QB - AND it could be that Griffin has pictures of Scot with that reporter ...

one thing is for sure - Griffin is here because Dan Snyder Ok'd the deal to keep him here

BOT - Sean McVay is not the SOLE reason the offense is not doing all that well anymore than it's because Kirk Cousins is just a good back-up QB or anymore than when Griffin was playing badly it was because he could not read defenses

the offense will get better when we have better players - just wait until next year

I'm liking this drinking and posting routine ...

[hitmandm]

Dan Snyder is not going away. He will die Owner of the Redskins.

Gruden is going away. He will be fired like most coaches who will finish worse than Jim Zorn after 2 years are gone. Even the WP is calling out the Gruden headscratching calls. The guy is not an NFL HC. We have a Pro Bowl QB. He isn't a fit in Jay's offense. We have a Pro bowl RB. He isn't a fit in Jay's offense. We have a Pro Bowl Wr. People are now saying he isn't a fit in Jay's offense. WTF. All well and good if the offense is doing well, but it isn't.

SM doesn't necessarily have the call here. And SM cannot realistically justify a 4-12 year and then a 6-10 year. Fatty is gone if DS wants him gone. SM cannot trump DS.

[riggofan]

all that is true but so is the fact that Dan Snyder owns this franchise and if he really did not want Griffin here he would be gone

Well you can say that about everyone from Kirk Cousins to the equipment manager. It doesn't necessarily mean what you're claiming it does. i.e. everyone else wanted Griffin gone but Snyder won't allow it.

Should we continue this circular argument?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

all that is true but so is the fact that Dan Snyder owns this franchise and if he really did not want Griffin here he would be gone

Well you can say that about everyone from Kirk Cousins to the equipment manager. It doesn't necessarily mean what you're claiming it does. i.e. everyone else wanted Griffin gone but Snyder won't allow it.

Should we continue this circular argument?

Snyder is not calling the shots on personnel. Scot McCloughan would not have taken the job with those conditions. To claim otherwise is simply ignoring facts for a narrative.

[SkinsJock]

all that is true but so is the fact that Dan Snyder owns this franchise and if he really did not want Griffin here he would be gone

Well you can say that about everyone from Kirk Cousins to the equipment manager. It doesn't necessarily mean what you're claiming it does. i.e. everyone else wanted Griffin gone but Snyder won't allow it.
Should we continue this circular argument?

No! ... we're done ... however ... I will just clarify that I'm not claiming that everyone wanted Griffin gone and he's only here because Snyder stopped that ... I feel that Snyder wanted Griffin here and the FO also felt that it was in the best interest of the franchise to do what they did - my point is only that Griffin is not completely worthless as some here have tried to intimate and that Snyder's support of him is important - I very much doubt that there's any plan to play him this season or for him to be here next season - I think the FO is handling the Griffin situation well and they also have Snyder's backing .... for now

Snyder is a loose cannon and it looks like he's letting Scot and the FO handle things for now ... the problem is, since 1999, Dan Snyder has found ways to make this franchise into one of the worst sports franchises in the USA and he's done all that with clear evidence that what he's done has hurt the franchise - there's nothing to indicate he will not continue to do so .... we can make great progress here and it will mean nothing if Snyder decides he wants someone to come in and make Griffin the QB - that's stupid, but, that is what Snyder does - stupid

[SkinsJock]

all that is true but so is the fact that Dan Snyder owns this franchise and if he really did not want Griffin here he would be gone

Well you can say that about everyone from Kirk Cousins to the equipment manager. It doesn't necessarily mean what you're claiming it does. i.e. everyone else wanted Griffin gone but Snyder won't allow it. Should we continue this circular argument?

Snyder is not calling the shots on personnel. Scot McCloughan would not have taken the job with those conditions. To claim otherwise is simply ignoring facts for a narrative.

WRONG ... again
I'm not implying that Snyder's calling the shots on personnel - you like to make things up, don't you?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

WRONG ... again
I'm not implying that Snyder's calling the shots on personnel - you like to make things up, don't you?

SkinsJock wrote:

Griffin is here because Dan Snyder wants him here ... if Dan Snyder wanted him gone he would be gone

That would be Dan Snyder calling the shots on personnel, would it not?

[markshark84]

WRONG ... again
I'm not implying that Snyder's calling the shots on personnel - you like to make things up, don't you?

SkinsJock wrote:

Griffin is here because Dan Snyder wants him here ... if Dan Snyder wanted him gone he would be gone

That would be Dan Snyder calling the shots on personnel, would it not?

Well, SJ isn't that a

He's got you there.

[markshark84]

Didn't this thread start about our inept OC, Sean McVay?

I have been away on business the past couple days and was excited to see a thread on this and to voice my frustration ---- well at least re-voice the same frustation I had been voicing since the day we promoted him to a position he was completely unqualified for.

Does anyone want to revisit that? How our running game is horrible, execution is highly lacking, our WRs drop balls and run undisciplined routes, our OL issues, our QB not taking downfield passes, etc. Is this our gameplaning or just the fact we don't have much talent? I think we have talent, but I also think our OL is horrible in the run game on top of all the injuries --- and the OL is the heart of an OFF run game (I think the pass pro has something to do with Kirk's quick release honestly because they couldn't be this bad at rushing and appear fine in pass pro --- I know there are arguements that can be made and understand that, but I think there is some sort of correlation). It could be a number of things, but I'd expect our OC to mix things up after weeks upon weeks of a horrible running game. We are averaging under 3 ypc and haven't done a thing differently since.

[mastdark81]

Didn't this thread start about our inept OC, Sean McVay?

I have been away on business the past couple days and was excited to see a thread on this and to voice my frustration ---- well at least re-voice the same frustation I had been voicing since the day we promoted him to a position he was completely unqualified for.

Does anyone want to revisit that? How our running game is horrible, execution is highly lacking, our WRs drop balls and run undisciplined routes, our OL issues, our QB not taking downfield passes, etc. Is this our gameplaning or just the fact we don't have much talent? I think we have talent, but I also think our OL is horrible in the run game on top of all the injuries --- and the OL is the heart of an OFF run game (I think the pass pro has something to do with Kirk's quick release honestly because they couldn't be this bad at rushing and appear fine in pass pro --- I know there are arguements that can be made and understand that, but I think there is some sort of correlation). It could be a number of things, but I'd expect our OC to mix things up after weeks upon weeks of a horrible running game. We are averaging under 3 ypc and haven't done a thing differently since.

Maaaaaan you speaking the truth. What I've learned in this tread that I created was Sean McVay wasn't really full-time developing the game plan each week and he sorta is doing a little bit of everything. Jay is the mastermind behind the 28th ranked offense. This is why the thread kinda went another way once that was established. Either way McVay is not doing what he was set out to do and I do feel he is unqualified.

[riggofan]

Ah yes. Calling out the coaches when its clear that the talent on the team isn't good enough... Redskins fans second favorite sport next to calling for the backup QB and just slightly ahead of putting too much value on 4th quarter performances in preseason games. Its just so tiresome.

I'll bet I can find a thread for just about every single coach, assistant coach and coordinator going back ten years on this website with fans posting about how that coach doesn't know what he's doing, isn't calling the right plays, isn't making good adjustments, etc; etc;

If you've coached any sport long enough you know how true this is. These coaches aren't idiots. There is only so much scheming any coach can do, and you can only do so much to hide your team's weaknesses. Usually the team with the most talent on the field is going to win, end of story.

[SkinsJock]

I'm not implying that Snyder's calling the shots on personnel - you like to make things up, don't you?

SkinsJock wrote:

Griffin is here because Dan Snyder wants him here ... if Dan Snyder wanted him gone he would be gone

That would be Dan Snyder calling the shots on personnel, would it not?

OK - if you insist ... let's play your silly game ....

If Gruden wanted Griffin out of here (which seems obvious) and Scot and the FO agreed, then Griffin would be gone, right? of course he would

What if Gruden wanted Griffin gone (which seems obvious) and Scot and the FO and Snyder thought it was in the franchises best interest to keep him - he'd still be here, right? Guess what

maybe Snyder is letting Scot manage things here AND Scot is no dummy, when it comes to Snyder's favorite QB

simple enough for you?

[oj]

Ah yes. Calling out the coaches when its clear that the talent on the team isn't good enough... Redskins fans second favorite sport next to calling for the backup QB and just slightly ahead of putting too much value on 4th quarter performances in preseason games. Its just so tiresome.

I'll bet I can find a thread for just about every single coach, assistant coach and coordinator going back ten years on this website with fans posting about how that coach doesn't know what he's doing, isn't calling the right plays, isn't making good adjustments, etc; etc;

If you've coached any sport long enough you know how true this is. These coaches aren't idiots. There is only so much scheming any coach can do, and you can only do so much to hide your team's weaknesses. Usually the team with the most talent on the field is going to win, end of story.

We just got our asses handed to us by a team that has no 1st round talent. I bet if the Skins were coached by the Pats coaches we'd be winning games promptly and consistantly with the bulk of what we've got on the field right now.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Ah yes. Calling out the coaches when its clear that the talent on the team isn't good enough... Redskins fans second favorite sport next to calling for the backup QB and just slightly ahead of putting too much value on 4th quarter performances in preseason games. Its just so tiresome.

I'll bet I can find a thread for just about every single coach, assistant coach and coordinator going back ten years on this website with fans posting about how that coach doesn't know what he's doing, isn't calling the right plays, isn't making good adjustments, etc; etc;

If you've coached any sport long enough you know how true this is. These coaches aren't idiots. There is only so much scheming any coach can do, and you can only do so much to hide your team's weaknesses. Usually the team with the most talent on the field is going to win, end of story.

This site's been around a while. Where's the one calling for Joe Gibbs' head? (Goes looking ...)

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm not implying that Snyder's calling the shots on personnel - you like to make things up, don't you?

SkinsJock wrote:

Griffin is here because Dan Snyder wants him here ... if Dan Snyder wanted him gone he would be gone

That would be Dan Snyder calling the shots on personnel, would it not?

OK - if you insist ... let's play your silly game ....

If Gruden wanted Griffin out of here (which seems obvious) and Scot and the FO agreed, then Griffin would be gone, right? of course he would

What if Gruden wanted Griffin gone (which seems obvious) and Scot and the FO and Snyder thought it was in the franchises best interest to keep him - he'd still be here, right? Guess what

maybe Snyder is letting Scot manage things here AND Scot is no dummy, when it comes to Snyder's favorite QB

simple enough for you?

Gruden doesn't decide who he wants on the team. He alone chooses from the players he is given.

McCloughan alone decides who is on the team. He does not determine who is starting, playing, or active on gamedays.

Allen no longer has any role in player personnel. He works in a financial role.

Snyder is (obviously) not forcing anyone to do anything.

If the team releases RGIII immediately they have to pay him the remainder of his salary ($3.35 million) immediately. That affects their ability to sign players due to injury or for any other reason.

It isn't at all about who wants what. It's about cap management, it's about keeping the playbook from division rivals we have yet to play, it's about possibly receiving some return on investment via trade.

This is all very basic football operations. It's how good teams operate. I know, we're not used to having our front office operate like good teams.

[SkinsJock]

We're halfway through a season that some got a little bit excited about and while some wanted wins and a possible playoff deal, there were a few here that said it would be enough to see evidence that Dan Snyder was not meddling and that the product on the field was better

we've got that and I'm OK with it, so far ... it'll be interesting to see what happens over the next 8 weeks

there are a number of players and coaches that are going to have to step it up if they want to be a part of the B&G next season

[SkinsJock]

like I said - it's Dan Snyder's franchise and what Dan wants, Dan gets

I'm kind of looking forward to what happens here because since Dan Snyder bought the franchise it has never, ever been managed the way a franchise should - never

[riggofan]

We just got our asses handed to us by a team that has no 1st round talent. I bet if the Skins were coached by the Pats coaches we'd be winning games promptly and consistantly with the bulk of what we've got on the field right now.

hah. oooookay. Like we're all supposed to forget about the hall of fame QB under center.

We've had eight different head coaches in the past 15 years. Pretty sure you're completely full of s*** in your analysis.

[riggofan]

This site's been around a while. Where's the one calling for Joe Gibbs' head? (Goes looking ...)

Oh they're out there man. I think the complaint was that "the game has passed him by". oh here you go:

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 6&start=15
Has NFL passed by Joe Gibbs?

My favorite post is:

1. '04 defense was very good, without lavarr and champ - williams ran the defense

2. '04 offense was putrid - gibbs ran offense. not only that but the other teams knew what plays were coming and the O showed little improvement from week to week.

3. gibbs cannot get sean taylor to return his calls - this one is simply embarassing. while shockey isn't at OTA's in NY, when coach Tom calls Shockey answers.

let me ask you this, what has gibbs done to show that the game hasn't passed him by?

hahah.

[riggofan]

People were going nuts that time Coach Joe called two timeouts in a row too. Good stuff.

[oj]

We just got our asses handed to us by a team that has no 1st round talent. I bet if the Skins were coached by the Pats coaches we'd be winning games promptly and consistantly with the bulk of what we've got on the field right now.

hah. oooookay. Like we're all supposed to forget about the hall of fame QB under center.

We've had eight different head coaches in the past 15 years. Pretty sure you're completely full of s*** in your analysis.

Then why is it that great coaches always have great players? You think its coincidence? Luck of the draw?

[Deadskins]

We just got our asses handed to us by a team that has no 1st round talent. I bet if the Skins were coached by the Pats coaches we'd be winning games promptly and consistantly with the bulk of what we've got on the field right now.

hah. oooookay. Like we're all supposed to forget about the hall of fame QB under center.

We've had eight different head coaches in the past 15 years. Pretty sure you're completely full of s*** in your analysis.

Then why is it that great coaches always have great players? You think its coincidence? Luck of the draw?

Or maybe some coaches are perceived to be great because they have great players playing for them.

[Deadskins]

We just got our asses handed to us by a team that has no 1st round talent.

Just because players were not actually drafted in the first round, doesn't mean they are not first round talent.

[Deadskins]

Ah yes. Calling out the coaches when its clear that the talent on the team isn't good enough... Redskins fans second favorite sport next to calling for the backup QB and just slightly ahead of putting too much value on 4th quarter performances in preseason games. Its just so tiresome.

I'll bet I can find a thread for just about every single coach, assistant coach and coordinator going back ten years on this website with fans posting about how that coach doesn't know what he's doing, isn't calling the right plays, isn't making good adjustments, etc; etc;

If you've coached any sport long enough you know how true this is. These coaches aren't idiots. There is only so much scheming any coach can do, and you can only do so much to hide your team's weaknesses. Usually the team with the most talent on the field is going to win, end of story.

This site's been around a while. Where's the one calling for Joe Gibbs' head? (Goes looking ...)

I doubt you really did go looking, because there were those threads during Gibbs 2. Many saying the game had passed him by. You just joined this year, so you probably shouldn't talk about the history of the site, unless you really do the research.

[Deadskins]

Gruden doesn't decide who he wants on the team. He alone chooses from the players he is given.

McCloughan alone decides who is on the team. He does not determine who is starting, playing, or active on gamedays.

Allen no longer has any role in player personnel. He works in a financial role.

Snyder is (obviously) not forcing anyone to do anything.

If the team releases RGIII immediately they have to pay him the remainder of his salary ($3.35 million) immediately. That affects their ability to sign players due to injury or for any other reason.

It isn't at all about who wants what. It's about cap management, it's about keeping the playbook from division rivals we have yet to play, it's about possibly receiving some return on investment via trade.

This is all very basic football operations. It's how good teams operate. I know, we're not used to having our front office operate like good teams.

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