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Kirk fan boys? Are we supposed to apologize for liking a quarterback who gives us a chance to win nearly every game?

Hey have at it. I like Kirk too. You have every right to cheer for who you want.

However dont try and sit here and pretend like Kirk and interceptions is not a problem.

This time it cost us the game. Its an issue that needs to be fixed.
Turnovers are a killer in this game.

Pick six to the house! Are you kidding me? So what if ey trys and apologizes for it. It still was six the other way.


I support Kirk. Just dont try and pass of an interception as it was not his fault. He threw the freaking pass. How can it not be partly his fault?


Thats like saying a guy who shot the gun is not at fault. Ridiculous.

Look Kirk is learning as a player. He has shown improvement. I see it. However the interceptions
must stop.

The offensive run blocking has taken a step back since the first two games. Injuries have also
hurt the offense. Not having Djax, JReed, our starting guard. All of these factors have impacted
the offense on the field.

HEROHAMO wrote:Hey have at it. I like Kirk too. You have every right to cheer for who you want.

I support anyone who can win some games. I'd cheer for Richard Simmons if he could win some games for us. Come on girls!

I realize that the INT’s are an issue right now, but the good news is that is can be coached. The league is full of examples of QB’s who threw picks early in their careers. On the other hand it’s very hard to coach pocket presence, read progression and how to protect yourself.

SkinsJock wrote:We don't know about Griffin because he's not on the field ...

So we do know about Griffin...because if he was worth a damn, he'd be starting.

Irn-Bru wrote:His INTs this year are nothing like they were in his first few seasons.

Sadly, people will still look at his stat line and continue to act like he's been more of the same.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:We don't know about Griffin because he's not on the field ...

So we do know about Griffin...because if he was worth a damn, he'd be starting.

What does this thread have to do about Griffin? Its about Kirks interceptions. You are the one who wants to turn this into a Kirk vs Griffin debate.


Kirk throws interceptions. He leads all QBs in interceptions thrown on a per game played basis. Who cares about Griffin right now? I am talking about Kirk.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:His INTs this year are nothing like they were in his first few seasons.

Sadly, people will still look at his stat line and continue to act like he's been more of the same.

Sadly you ignore facts. Kirk Cousins has lost more games then he has won in his career. He throws far too many interceptions. Which you seem to ignore.

We lost the last game against Atlanta because of a pick six the other way. How do you overlook something like that?
Ill tell you how. Fanboyism.....

HEROHAMO wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:We don't know about Griffin because he's not on the field ...

So we do know about Griffin...because if he was worth a damn, he'd be starting.

What does this thread have to do about Griffin? Its about Kirks interceptions. You are the one who wants to turn this into a Kirk vs Griffin debate.


Kirk throws interceptions. He leads all QBs in interceptions thrown on a per game played basis. Who cares about Griffin right now? I am talking about Kirk.

SJ continues to bring it up or hint at it in every post.

HEROHAMO wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:His INTs this year are nothing like they were in his first few seasons.

Sadly, people will still look at his stat line and continue to act like he's been more of the same.

Sadly you ignore facts. Kirk Cousins has lost more games then he has won in his career. He throws far too many interceptions. Which you seem to ignore.

We lost the last game against Atlanta because of a pick six the other way. How do you overlook something like that?
Ill tell you how. Fanboyism.....

Ah yes, that pick six made the defense not stop Atlanta on 4th and 2.

HEROHAMO wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:His INTs this year are nothing like they were in his first few seasons.

Sadly, people will still look at his stat line and continue to act like he's been more of the same.

Sadly you ignore facts. Kirk Cousins has lost more games then he has won in his career. He throws far too many interceptions. Which you seem to ignore.

We lost the last game against Atlanta because of a pick six the other way. How do you overlook something like that?
Ill tell you how. Fanboyism.....

And, as we all know, games are played in the stat books, not on the field. Perhaps you could take statistics in context rather than in a vacuum?

HEROHAMO wrote:Sadly you ignore facts. Kirk Cousins has lost more games then he has won in his career. He throws far too many interceptions. Which you seem to ignore.

That is 100% true. In fact, all QBs on our current roster have lost more games than they have won.

Cousins: 5-10
McCoy: 7-18
RGIII: 13-21 (4-15 post injury)

What's your point? What are people "ignoring"? Is there a better option?

I'd stick to your firm grasp on the "interception problem" arguement. That's the only anti-Kirk rant you can use to gather traction right now...... oh but you "support" him.... sorry.

HEROHAMO wrote:

riggofan wrote:Ryan Grant blames himself for Kirk Cousins’s game-ending pick-six against Atlanta
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/foo ... t-atlanta/

"“I slipped, he said. “It was supposed to be on my outside shoulder. I slipped, threw the play off, and that’s how the game ended.”"

Way to, Mr. Interception Machine.

Good for you. I dont know what kind of solice you get from this?

It does not change the fact that we lost a game that could have been won. An interception is an interception.

It happened while Kirk was under center. You cant change the fact he threw an interception again. It happens quite often in fact. So whats your argument for him throwing interceptions on a regular basis?

You argued one interception. Whoopty freaking doo. What about the other numerous times he throws picks?

I'm not arguing interceptions at all, man. There was some debate earlier in this thread about whether that particular INT was on Kirk or a result of the WR slipping. Some people seemed to think C00ley was wrong. Ryan Grant agrees with him.

Seriously get a freaking grip, Nancy.

#47 may be right - who cares, it's just his opinion - an interception is an interception - claiming that an interception is not really your fault is like stating "she's only a little bit pregnant" - you are or you aren't - you're either prone to causing interceptions or you're not

Some QBs throw a lot of interceptions but they are not considered as being prone to do that - Captain Kirk has that reputation

I have been criticized for seeming to flip flop on this guy - IMO he's getting better but he still has this reputation that I'm sure is hampering him

hopefully Captain Kirk can prove that he's not prone to causing interceptions (his fault or not) but I doubt he becomes more than just a good to very good back up QB in the NFL which is better than when he started here this season

This game this week would be a great time for Captain Kirk to show that he's the man here - he's going to face big time pressure in this game

HEROHAMO wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:His INTs this year are nothing like they were in his first few seasons.

Sadly, people will still look at his stat line and continue to act like he's been more of the same.

Sadly you ignore facts. Kirk Cousins has lost more games then he has won in his career. He throws far too many interceptions. Which you seem to ignore.

We lost the last game against Atlanta because of a pick six the other way. How do you overlook something like that?
Ill tell you how. Fanboyism.....

Do you blame the QB when the receiver falls down running his route short of the point of intersection with the pass? No, I think you blame Cousins because you are just anti Cousins and Grant's slip blessed you with another opportunity to complain. If Griffin had thrown the ball I think you'd have praised him for him for getting the ball out quickly in the face of a rusher about to hit him and called Grant's unfortunate slip the cause for the pick.

You know why we scrutinize every little/big mistake Kirk makes? Cause he hasnt been good enough to make big plays to overcome them. Every qb in this league has faults but when Rodgers throws 2 int he likely makes up for them with 3 or 4 td passes....not our guy. We lose...and when you lose the blame game comes around. "Oh this sack is on the qb, oh no this sack is on...blah blah" Never in my life have I heard such nitpicking. Our qbs suck and our HC is mediocre as well bottomline.

Kirk is the exact same guy he was last year. The only difference is Jay Gruden and McVay have put the handcuffs on this offense in order to protect their investment. Unfortunately you cannot win games trying to keep your guy from showing his true colors.

I say bring the gun slingin Kirk back, he going to make mistakes but allow him to TRY to win games. Sit Matt Jones the overhype, and let Ross replace Grant. Put Compton in McCoys spot and lets run the ball and throw the ball in the endzone several times per quarter.

Hail to Joe Barry...I underestimated the guy. Barry and Fewell working well together and the D seems to be thinking less and having fun.

mastdark81 wrote:You know why we scrutinize every little/big mistake Kirk makes? Cause he hasnt been good enough to make big plays to overcome them. Every qb in this league has faults but when Rodgers throws 2 int he likely makes up for them with 3 or 4 td passes....not our guy. We lose...and when you lose the blame game comes around. "Oh this sack is on the qb, oh no this sack is on...blah blah" Never in my life have I heard such nitpicking. Our qbs suck and our HC is mediocre as well bottomline.

Kirk is the exact same guy he was last year. The only difference is Jay Gruden and McVay have put the handcuffs on this offense in order to protect their investment. Unfortunately you cannot win games trying to keep your guy from showing his true colors.

I say bring the gun slingin Kirk back, he going to make mistakes but allow him to TRY to win games. Sit Matt Jones the overhype, and let Ross replace Grant. Put Compton in McCoys spot and lets run the ball and throw the ball in the endzone several times per quarter.

Hail to Joe Barry...I underestimated the guy. Barry and Fewell working well together and the D seems to be thinking less and having fun.

nailed it! On all points bro!!

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:You know why we scrutinize every little/big mistake Kirk makes? Cause he hasnt been good enough to make big plays to overcome them. Every qb in this league has faults but when Rodgers throws 2 int he likely makes up for them with 3 or 4 td passes....not our guy. We lose...and when you lose the blame game comes around. "Oh this sack is on the qb, oh no this sack is on...blah blah" Never in my life have I heard such nitpicking. Our qbs suck and our HC is mediocre as well bottomline.

Kirk is the exact same guy he was last year. The only difference is Jay Gruden and McVay have put the handcuffs on this offense in order to protect their investment. Unfortunately you cannot win games trying to keep your guy from showing his true colors.

I say bring the gun slingin Kirk back, he going to make mistakes but allow him to TRY to win games. Sit Matt Jones the overhype, and let Ross replace Grant. Put Compton in McCoys spot and lets run the ball and throw the ball in the endzone several times per quarter.

Hail to Joe Barry...I underestimated the guy. Barry and Fewell working well together and the D seems to be thinking less and having fun.

nailed it! On all points bro!!

Tune in Sunday guys and pay close attention for a glimpse of your beloved RGIII who will be sporting a track suit because he is too slow where it really counts to read NFL defenses and run an NFL WCO.

OldSchool wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:You know why we scrutinize every little/big mistake Kirk makes? Cause he hasnt been good enough to make big plays to overcome them. Every qb in this league has faults but when Rodgers throws 2 int he likely makes up for them with 3 or 4 td passes....not our guy. We lose...and when you lose the blame game comes around. "Oh this sack is on the qb, oh no this sack is on...blah blah" Never in my life have I heard such nitpicking. Our qbs suck and our HC is mediocre as well bottomline.

Kirk is the exact same guy he was last year. The only difference is Jay Gruden and McVay have put the handcuffs on this offense in order to protect their investment. Unfortunately you cannot win games trying to keep your guy from showing his true colors.

I say bring the gun slingin Kirk back, he going to make mistakes but allow him to TRY to win games. Sit Matt Jones the overhype, and let Ross replace Grant. Put Compton in McCoys spot and lets run the ball and throw the ball in the endzone several times per quarter.

Hail to Joe Barry...I underestimated the guy. Barry and Fewell working well together and the D seems to be thinking less and having fun.

nailed it! On all points bro!!

Tune in Sunday guys and pay close attention for a glimpse of your beloved RGIII who will be sporting a track suit because he is too slow where it really counts to read NFL defenses and run an NFL WCO.

Why did you feel it necessary to inject RGIII into that post? Neither advocated for replacing Kirk. Put down the Hateraid, already!

Wasted effort there DS.... Any knock on Kirk or his game MUST be an attempt to advocate benching him in favor of the 3rd stringer

OldSchool wrote: ... Tune in Sunday guys and pay close attention for a glimpse of your beloved RGIII who will be sporting a track suit because he is too slow where it really counts to read NFL defenses and run an NFL WCO.

I am looking forward to Sunday and despite what you think I'm just like ckRGiii in that I hope that Captain Kirk can show us all that he's the man

btw - did you see what a real NFL QB (whose offense & defense is having an atrocious season) did to the Falcons last night?

that's the type of QB play we need to see from Captain Kirk whom B&GF says reminds him of Elway and Favre in how he plays

Let me be clear for the Captain Kirk butt kissers who just cannot take any sort of criticism that Captain Kirk earns by how he plays

I want Captain Kirk to play well and I want the Redskins to win games - I really hope that Captain Kirk can help the offense

I do NOT want to see Griffin play QB or am even advocating for him to be even available to play until he's ready to play well and only if the risk is worth it - thankfully some of you here will not be making that decision - so get off the assumption that I want to see Griffin on the field this season - that is not true at all - I am VERY glad that Griffin is still on the roster - I do not feel that way because he might be a better option than Captain Kirk this season - we don't know about Griffin's future as an NFL QB - we're seeing what we've got with Captain Kirk

got it?

SkinsJock wrote:#47 may be right - who cares, it's just his opinion - an interception is an interception - claiming that an interception is not really your fault is like stating "she's only a little bit pregnant" - you are or you aren't - you're either prone to causing interceptions or you're not

I find this really interesting. "You're either interception prone or you're not". Here's what you wrote about Griffin being "injury prone" just five months ago:

SkinsJock wrote:"Let's not sugar coat this - it's not about the potential for injury ... it's all about Griffin being able to show that he offers the potential to be the type of QB that the Redskins franchise wants - if Griffin shows improvement from last season, they can then decide how much more work is required to help him become the QB they need and how best to go about that given that the franchise is building an offensive line and defense

Robert Griffin is basically developing as a QB and the guys that know what he is and what he can do better than anyone here will carefully evaluate him and what he might be capable of

If Griffin does not quickly show that he is worth working with, they will not keep him out because he might get injured, they will let him go

Apart from learning how to play the game differently and better read defenses, Griffin REALLY needs to learn to play in a manner that minimizes the chance of injury like a lot of other QBs do - that's part of what he has to do - that's all part of the evaluation here

If they decide he's going to be worth working with and in doing so he should get injured - that's just part of the game

I don't think that Griffin is injury prone (like many here do) - he flat out needs to learn not to take the risks he's been taking"

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40785&p=650651&hilit=injury+prone#p650651

So to sum it up, a guy can learn not to take risks and avoid being injury prone. However, he absolutely 100% cannot learn to throw less interceptions. Its just an inherent flaw a person is born with that no amount of experience can overcome.

Yay you win. Kirk sucks.

Wrong dog breath - I did not say that he 100% cannot learn to be considered a QB that is not prone to throwing interceptions

maybe Captain Kirk can become like Brett Favre (as B&GF insinuates he might) and be a QB that throws a bunch of interceptions but not be considered as a turnover machine like Captain Kirk is right now - Captain Kirk can lose the label, he just needs to become like Brett Favre

let's wait and see how Captain Kirk goes over the next 11 games and I'll be praying that he shows that sort of promise

can you imaging that we might have a future Brett Favre or John Elway already on the roster and we can sign him to a huge QB contract