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PulpExposure wrote:Let's put the brakes on the Cousins hype train. Yes, he's better than last year, but let's see him string together at least two (and I dunno, maybe even 4!) games in a row where he isn't turning the the ball over like it's Christmas. So far he's followed one good game with a bad game. That's just not production you can win consistently with. I do recognize he's better, but uneven play does not make a capable NFL quarterback.

Agree 100%.

Until he shows consistency, he is not an NFL starting caliber QB in my mind.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:That would be great if they could make it happen. I don't understand your eye roll though. Do you mean its obvious what should be done? Or do you mean a trade like that is a ridiculous idea?

I mean I don't think anyone is desperate enough to trade for a receiver who can't catch. We can always hope.

hah. That's true.

DEHog wrote:

Griffin still has a playoff appearance under his belt. And was doing well against a Seattle team that eventually won a SuperBowl.

So you can keep bashing Griffin all you like. He still has the better resume.

If that's case....Tebow has a playoff win, does that make his "resume" better than those who don't?
You completely ignore 2013 and 14...they don't count?

Tebows resume is better then QBs who dont have a playoff win. Of course it is. What kind of question is that?

If a QB is not winning playoff games? Why would you want him?

HEROHAMO wrote:

DEHog wrote:

Griffin still has a playoff appearance under his belt. And was doing well against a Seattle team that eventually won a SuperBowl.

So you can keep bashing Griffin all you like. He still has the better resume.

If that's case....Tebow has a playoff win, does that make his "resume" better than those who don't?
You completely ignore 2013 and 14...they don't count?

Tebows resume is better then QBs who dont have a playoff win. Of course it is. What kind of question is that?

If a QB is not winning playoff games? Why would you want him?

Really?? So Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer>Jim Kelly and Dan Marino according to your logic?
Why is Tim Tebow out of the league and RG III wearing street clothes??

DEHog wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:If a QB is not winning playoff games? Why would you want him?

Really?? So Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer>Jim Kelly and Dan Marino according to your logic?

If I'm not mistaken, all of those QBs won playoff games.

Deadskins wrote:

DEHog wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:If a QB is not winning playoff games? Why would you want him?

Really?? So Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer>Jim Kelly and Dan Marino according to your logic?

If I'm not mistaken, all of those QBs won playoff games.

Yea. They guy you wanted to name was Tony Romo.

Even he has won playoff games. I guess RGIII fits the bill.

Deadskins wrote:

DEHog wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:If a QB is not winning playoff games? Why would you want him?

Really?? So Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer>Jim Kelly and Dan Marino according to your logic?

If I'm not mistaken, all of those QBs won playoff games.

Deadskins, stop stirring the pot. You know what he meant --- I don't consider you as being that thick.

SB Winners > Non-SB winners

It's similar logic as: Playoff winners > non-playoff winners

Kirk deserves to start no doubt. Like I said its all there for the taking. 7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it. Playoffs or bust is the way its always been. Some teams believe SuperBowl or bust which is what our team was used to expecting long ago.

Like I said Kirk has the talent. He can thrive just needs to keep improving. This team is certainly capable of winning this division.

Irn-Bru wrote:

OldSchool wrote:An interesting read about the between the ears part of playing QB and how Kirk is progressing. ey talks about these things also but the pictures make it easier to appreciate the importance of a QB really understanding the defense and his offense.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2576280-kirk-cousins-showing-the-progress-rg3-didnt-make-for-washington-redskins

That was a good article. I didn't realize that Cousins had made adjustments to both the line and WR routes on the game-winning TD. Good stuff.

Bleacher Report turns out some good writing/reporting, imo. Some here.................. have blasted BR and not give them much credibility.

tribeofjudah wrote:Bleacher Report turns out some good writing/reporting, imo. Some here.................. have blasted BR and not give them much credibility.

lol. You know, YOU can be a writer for Bleacher Report if you want, man. Its pretty much all amateur writing.

http://blog.bleacherreport.com/2014/06/ ... r-program/
http://bleacherreport.com/writerranking

Not that there aren't some interesting things written on there, but I wouldn't be pointing them out for credibility.

HEROHAMO wrote:7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it. Playoffs or bust is the way its always been.

we all have different expectations - to me 8-8 is only part of the equation - how did we play and did we show that with some more additions/modifications this franchise is on the right track - these are more important to me

IMO - we could go 7-9 and look like we should have won more or go 9-7 and look like we were lucky ...

I'm encouraged so far - I'm still not sure about Gruden though

it's only 4 games of a 16 game season - let's give everyone a break here

HEROHAMO wrote:7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it.

Winning more games this season than you did last season is the goal of every club, not just ours. There's nothing to spin. For a team that's won ONE playoff game in the last ten years and had a total of six 8-8 or better seasons in the last fifteen years 8-8 would be a successful season. I know you like your hyperbole but, again, there's nothing to spin here.

HEROHAMO wrote:Kirk deserves to start no doubt. Like I said its all there for the taking. 7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it. Playoffs or bust is the way its always been. Some teams believe SuperBowl or bust which is what our team was used to expecting long ago.

Like I said Kirk has the talent. He can thrive just needs to keep improving. This team is certainly capable of winning this division.

Does Kirk have the talent? I think he could potentially when everyone is healthy, but right now he has a good RB, a good RB with a fumbling problem, one good WR, and mediocre to below average everything else (taking the OL as a unit). I don't consider that as having "the talent" to win the division...... This team has a FAR FAR FAR way to go in improving the talent it has on their roster.

I think you are pushing the expectations to a large degree. Our DEF has even more holes to fill with talent. After all, this is Scot's first year as GM. Usually a GM is given about 3 years before progress is expected.

You have to look at the schedule on a game by game basis --- which it doesn't appear you have. Then look at the other teams in the divisions remaining schedule.

You sound a bit crazy in that you expect a team that since Sept. 2013 has had a collective record of 9-27 to win the division...... or they are a failure..... With those expectations I have no CLUE how you are still an RGIII fan......

markshark84 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Kirk deserves to start no doubt. Like I said its all there for the taking. 7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it. Playoffs or bust is the way its always been. Some teams believe SuperBowl or bust which is what our team was used to expecting long ago.

Like I said Kirk has the talent. He can thrive just needs to keep improving. This team is certainly capable of winning this division.

Does Kirk have the talent? I think he could potentially when everyone is healthy, but right now he has a good RB, a good RB with a fumbling problem, one good WR, and mediocre to below average everything else (taking the OL as a unit). I don't consider that as having "the talent" to win the division...... This team has a FAR FAR FAR way to go in improving the talent it has on their roster.

I think you are pushing the expectations to a large degree. Our DEF has even more holes to fill with talent. After all, this is Scot's first year as GM. Usually a GM is given about 3 years before progress is expected.

You have to look at the schedule on a game by game basis --- which it doesn't appear you have. Then look at the other teams in the divisions remaining schedule.

You sound a bit crazy in that you expect a team that since Sept. 2013 has had a collective record of 9-27 to win the division...... or they are a failure..... With those expectations I have no CLUE how you are still an RGIII fan......

Theres not a team in our division without holes. Look at the Pies, Philly and even the midgets. They all have injuries and holes to fill.

I dare say there is not a team in the league without weaknesses. Maybe New England is the only team I can think of thats stacked. Also Carolina roster wise is loaded other then WR maybe. Buffalo has loads of talent on their roster as well.

markshark84 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Kirk deserves to start no doubt. Like I said its all there for the taking. 7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it. Playoffs or bust is the way its always been. Some teams believe SuperBowl or bust which is what our team was used to expecting long ago.

Like I said Kirk has the talent. He can thrive just needs to keep improving. This team is certainly capable of winning this division.

Does Kirk have the talent? I think he could potentially when everyone is healthy, but right now he has a good RB, a good RB with a fumbling problem, one good WR, and mediocre to below average everything else (taking the OL as a unit). I don't consider that as having "the talent" to win the division...... This team has a FAR FAR FAR way to go in improving the talent it has on their roster.

I think you are pushing the expectations to a large degree. Our DEF has even more holes to fill with talent. After all, this is Scot's first year as GM. Usually a GM is given about 3 years before progress is expected.

You have to look at the schedule on a game by game basis --- which it doesn't appear you have. Then look at the other teams in the divisions remaining schedule.

You sound a bit crazy in that you expect a team that since Sept. 2013 has had a collective record of 9-27 to win the division...... or they are a failure..... With those expectations I have no CLUE how you are still an RGIII fan......

This team is not the same team for ten years ago. Nor is it the same team from last year. Its literally a totally different team with new players every where on each side of the ball.

We have the no.1 rushing offense in the league. That is no small thing.
We also have the no.1 rush defense. Which is also a huge factor.

Downside is we are giving up far too many yards against the pass. However Ive analyzed our defense.

We have been sending only four pass rushers most of the time. Yet we still give up far too many yards against the pass.
The point of only rushing four is in the hopes of stopping the pass play. Until the Philly game our defense was not getting many sacks. In the Philly game our team managed five. Thats a huge boost.

Against Atlanta it will be a much tougher task. I belive we should go press coverage and blitz more. Basically sending six to even seven with man coverage for our corners and safties.

The strategy is to give the opposing no time at all. With that many defenders in the back field its sure to cause trouble for the opposing team.
On the offensive side we have to get at least a two TD lead. Then hope to continue pounding the ball.
Atlanta should be forced to pass the ball and we can keep our passrushers getting after Matt Ryan.

Cousins is making progress and will hopefully continue to get better ...

hopefully Robert Griffin III is becoming a much better QB as well

SkinsJock wrote:we all have different expectations - to me 8-8 is only part of the equation - how did we play and did we show that with some more additions/modifications this franchise is on the right track - these are more important to me

Me too, man. We won more games in 2014 than in 2013, but it felt pretty meaningless. With the QB carousel going on especially, it didn't seem like any type of progress.

HEROHAMO wrote:

markshark84 wrote:
Does Kirk have the talent? I think he could potentially when everyone is healthy, but right now he has a good RB, a good RB with a fumbling problem, one good WR, and mediocre to below average everything else (taking the OL as a unit). I don't consider that as having "the talent" to win the division...... This team has a FAR FAR FAR way to go in improving the talent it has on their roster.

I think you are pushing the expectations to a large degree. Our DEF has even more holes to fill with talent. After all, this is Scot's first year as GM. Usually a GM is given about 3 years before progress is expected.

You have to look at the schedule on a game by game basis --- which it doesn't appear you have. Then look at the other teams in the divisions remaining schedule.

You sound a bit crazy in that you expect a team that since Sept. 2013 has had a collective record of 9-27 to win the division...... or they are a failure..... With those expectations I have no CLUE how you are still an RGIII fan......

Theres not a team in our division without holes. Look at the Pies, Philly and even the midgets. They all have injuries and holes to fill.

I dare say there is not a team in the league without weaknesses. Maybe New England is the only team I can think of thats stacked. Also Carolina roster wise is loaded other then WR maybe. Buffalo has loads of talent on their roster as well.

You are making it about "them" when it should be about "us". All teams have weaknesses -- even the Pats. That doesn't mean anything.

Again, you have to look at this on a per-game basis --- and I mean the games WE play.

HEROHAMO wrote:
Against Atlanta it will be a much tougher task. I belive we should go press coverage and blitz more. Basically sending six to even seven with man coverage for our corners and safties.

The strategy is to give the opposing no time at all. With that many defenders in the back field its sure to cause trouble for the opposing team.

On the offensive side we have to get at least a two TD lead. Then hope to continue pounding the ball.
Atlanta should be forced to pass the ball and we can keep our passrushers getting after Matt Ryan.

My philosophy defensively has always been to: play the personnel, play the situation, play the formation. Every down is different and must be analyzed that way.

Your strategy can backfire if pressure isn't applied within 2-2.5 seconds from snap. I have generally been a huge fan of pressure, but I prefer that it comes from my front 4 or 5. Sending 6-7 against this passing attack and OL will result in a good deal of successful intermeidate passes and dump offs to Freeman. We also don't have a single DEF player (DL or LBs) that will consistently beast out in one-to-one passrushing situations. Man to man will be difficult with Jones. I'm not saying it won't work, but we did similar things with Haslett.

Offensively, I would like to run the ball also. I am less concerned with a 2 TD lead (althought that would be nice) since that isn't an easy task. We need to control the TOP and keep ATL's offense off the field.

We shall see how everything goes Sunday!

You are making it about "them" when it should be about "us". All teams have weaknesses -- even the Pats. That doesn't mean anything.

Again, you have to look at this on a per-game basis --- and I mean the games WE play.

I was pointing out how our roster has improved talent wise. We still have some holes to fill and injuries have hurt this team. Our two best corners are hurt or three.

I do look at from a game to game perspective.

However every team has an identity, strengths and weaknesses. I will use New England as an example.

New England features Tom Brady and Gronkowski as the main weapons. Every one playing New England knows they have to try and stop Brady and Gronkowski or its a sure loss.
However New England still has to find a way to win even if the opposing team covers Gronkowski well. Gronkowski then becomes a decoy and Tom Brady starts to hit guys like Edleman.

The gameplan is based off of the identity and strengths of the team. We have a starting point(general idea) of what we would like to do offensively and adjust accordingly.
You try and impose your will, gameplan and adjust if its not working out.

Our teams identity is a strong running game and we can stop the run. Its turning out to be a smash mouth team.

HEROHAMO wrote:Kirk deserves to start no doubt. Like I said its all there for the taking. 7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it. Playoffs or bust is the way its always been. Some teams believe SuperBowl or bust which is what our team was used to exspecting long ago.

Like I said Kirk has the talent. He can thrive just needs to keep improving. This team is certainly capable of winning this division.

Not successful but it would clearly be progress.

Troy Aikman just pointed out that Kirk Cousins continues to have a problem throwing interceptions = coach killers

Troy may be a puke - he does know NFL QBs

yupchagee wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Kirk deserves to start no doubt. Like I said its all there for the taking. 7-9, 8-8 is not a successful season. I dont care how you spin it. Playoffs or bust is the way its always been. Some teams believe SuperBowl or bust which is what our team was used to exspecting long ago.

Like I said Kirk has the talent. He can thrive just needs to keep improving. This team is certainly capable of winning this division.

Not successful but it would clearly be progress.

7-9 is a successful START to a team that hasn't won more than 4 games in a few seasons. Let's not think too highly of ourselves and where we're coming up from.

That being said, Kirk is being evaluated for a potential extension. That's it.