Read option alive and well!

[Deadskins]

The point was, that if Shanny pulls RGIII from the Seattle game before he totally blows the knee, there is no need for the "All in" campaign. No need to scrap the offense in hopes of keeping him home in the pocket. Bob suffers no loss of confidence, and 2013 is another record year, or that is the assumption.

And therefore we should fire up the read option offense for him again?

I guess when I asked "what's the point?" I meant: what does any of this have to do with now and reality. Griffin is what he is. We're proposing to fire the coach, scrap the current offense and go back to the read option in the hope that Griffin gets his mojo back AND finally stays healthy for a full 17 games?

Not at all, I was just explaining my "killed the goose that laid the golden egg" remark. I have no illusions of us going back to the read option at this point, but I understood what he was pining about.

[riggofan]

Not at all, I was just explaining my "killed the goose that laid the golden egg" remark. I have no illusions of us going back to the read option at this point, but I understood what he was pining about.

Gotcha. Freaking hell, who doesn't wish that Seahawks playoff game never happened?

[mastdark81]

Bottom line is this. The read option works but don't work on 3rd downs, so you still have to know how to successfully throw consistently from/outside the pocket.

When Snyder hired Jay Gruden he put the nail in the coffin for RG3 because Jay isn't a coach diligent enough to go through all the intricacies of Robert's strengths.

Jay wanted to take the identical playbook from Cincy and force feed that playbook into players that were not the same with our Redskins. RG3 went from hitting Pierre Garcon for a record 113 times to not being able to consistently pass to a WR in 2014.

Alfred Morris went to a stud back to getting hit more times behind the line of scrimmage more than any starting running back in the NFL (check the stats). Because Jay felt Niles Paul was Jermaine Gresham. Jay didn't have the talent of Darrell Young and didn't use a FB in Cincy...and guess what? He didn't find a way to utilize DY in Washington either.

[HEROHAMO]

The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

Because Shanahan knew it was a college offense, not a pro one. You're not going to fool NFL defenses twice with that gimmick crapola.

Seattle has been running read option, San Francisco has been running read option, Philly is running a read option and now Tennesse is running read option. Are you blind? Did you not see Seattle win the SuperBowl two years ago?

Did you not see the Titans Marriota a rookie throw for four TDS?

[HEROHAMO]

I didn't realize that when QBs "scrambled" they are actually running the read option. Learn something new every day.

Great post though man. I'm really bummed that we haven't been able to find a coach yet to realize Dan Snyder's vision. It goes without saying that he's one of the under appreciated football minds of the past twenty five years.

We should also hire a full time medical/surgical team for the QB running this offense of the future.

Tell that to Russel Wilson and his Lombardi Trophy!
Tell that to Marcus Marriota who just threw for four TDs on Sunday. Tell that to the Eagles who have had the NFLS highest scoring offense for the past two seasons.

I mentioned Robert running an offense similar to Chip Kellys offense where he is running less and passing more.


No matter how much you would like to forget 2012. I am sorry it happened. It was real. Robert actually took us to the playoffs. I dont know why you have so much hate for him.

It was Snyders job to hire the right people in the first place.

But answer me this please.

What other team would get there rookie of the year QB injured in the first season? How in the world do you put so much blame on Robert.

Robert was and is a young man. Its the organizations responsibility to have the right environment in place to succeed. Time and time again you see teams like the Raiders draft players just to see them fail. Those many players cannot be that bad.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

The Shanny's ran it and ran it quite well in 2012...why didn't they run it again in 2013...I'll wait...

Because Shanahan knew it was a college offense, not a pro one. You're not going to fool NFL defenses twice with that gimmick crapola.

Seattle has been running read option, San Francisco has been running read option, Philly is running a read option and now Tennesse is running read option. Are you blind? Did you not see Seattle win the SuperBowl two years ago?

Did you not see the Titans Marriota a rookie throw for four TDS?

Those aren't read option offenses. Maybe Philadelphia but their version is a heavily modified version of the spread offense. Seattle runs a West Coast offense. Russell Wilson isn't making one read and running. San Francisco also runs a West Coast offense and was 8-8 last season and missed the playoffs. Tennessee runs a modified Erhardt-Perkins offense.

This offense traditionally used the run to set up the pass" via play-action passing, faking the run in order to throw deep downfield when the defense is least expecting it. Despite its earlier reputation, this system is no longer a run first offense.

Tennessee was the worst team in football last season. Are you really using one game against Tampa Bay where he ran twice for six yards to make a case for Marcus Mariota running the read option?

The most popular running play employed in the spread is the read option. This play is also known as the zone read, QB choice, or QB wrap. A type of double option, the read option is a relatively simple play during which the offensive line zone blocks in one direction, ignoring defensive personnel, while the quarterback makes a single read (usually of the backside defensive end or linebacker) and decides whether to keep the ball (if the backside defender crashes down) or to hand off to the back (if the defender indicates that he will cover the quarterback).

Quotes are from Wikipedia. Offensive system information is from pro-football-reference. I don't think read option means what you think read option means. There isn't a quarterback in the league making a single read and then running as a designed offensive system. Wilson may run for over 50 yards a game on average but that's not by design. That's by his own intellect. Seattle isn't looking to get him injured.

[riggofan]

I dont know why you have so much hate for him.

What other team would get there rookie of the year QB injured in the first season? How in the world do you put so much blame on Robert.

This is the delusion, man. I don't have an ounce of hate for Robert, and I don't "blame" him for anything. I was in favor of starting him all the way through the end of 2014. I just want to see the team field the best guy for the job, and no matter how much I like him, or what a great guy I think Griffin is, he has been a train wreck for the past two years.

This is where we're at with so many Griffin fans right now. We all "hate" Griffin and the Coach is intentionally calling plays to make him look bad.

[StorminMormon86]

I'll be glad when they cut/trade Griffin so maybe the Griffin fans can go back to being fans of the team and not one player.

[aswas71788]

As I remember it, RGIII and his father both lobbied publically and privately for RGIII to not run the read option anymore. So given that, would it not be to RGIII's benefit to be less efficient in the read option in 2013? Not saying he would throw a game but there are times in every situation where someone disagrees with it and gives less that his/her full participation. The truth is that RGIII is not a pocket quarterback. He can't read the defenses, can't go through progressions, can't hit open receivers, can't answer questions without causing a fire-storm and can't be an effective leader for the team. While Shanahan may have been partly responsible for RGIII's injuries, RGIII is also to blame. It is unfortunate that a young man with such a potentially bright future may have been damaged beyond recovery. Personally, IMO, RGIII should be traded or released so he can rebuild his carrier somewhere else, if he can.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I'll be glad when they cut/trade Griffin so maybe the Griffin fans can go back to being fans of the team and not one player.

That's probably the most ignorant thing I've read all year.

Who has been ONLY a Griffin fan? Not cheered on Kirk Grossman, or Colt Mcnugget? GTFOH with that garbage. EVERY SINGLE POSTER HAS THEIR "GUY", don't act like your high and mighty and some how your fandom is better then anyone's, jus because your guy got the nod. While it's impossible to know how the other two would've done, or what they improved on... Itsy clearly evident that Kirk is still an int machine- who hasn't won in a looong time as a starter.

[OldSchool]

This is lunacy. The quarterbacks who have won the most games over the last decade are: Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rivers, Romo, Brees, the other Manning, and Hasselbeck. Not one of these players is looking to run with the football. Every one of these players can read a defense and go through a basic progression. Drafting an athlete with no quarterback skill was a damn stupid thing to do and no amount of coaching up is going to turn an athlete into a quarterback. I don't care if he's the nicest guy on the planet and loves Jesus more than Tim Tebow, he's not an NFL quarterback and it has nothing to do with the scheme. The only schemes he can run are sandlot schemes. He can't make an accurate throw from the pocket. I don't care the reasoning or the excuses behind it. If a player can't make an accurate throw from the pocket he's not a quarterback. We can beat the "fault drum" from now until hell freezes over. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. A lot of people need to move on.

A thousand amens. Some guys just don't want to take their RGIII PJs off and file him and 2012 as the flash in the pan the rest of understand it was, they remind me of a friend I had who stilled pined for his high school girlfriend 15 years after she dumped him. His folks finally coordinated an intervention to confront a get him to finally let it go and move on thankfully it worked and a few years later he married another woman but the guy wasted 15 of the best years of his life unwilling to let her go and move forward.

[riggofan]

I'll be glad when they cut/trade Griffin so maybe the Griffin fans can go back to being fans of the team and not one player.

That's probably the most ignorant thing I've read all year.

I doubt it.

[OldSchool]

Does anyone expect the Skins to pay 16M in 2016 for Griffin? 16M for a guy who still doesn't understand the concepts of the WCO?

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Seattle Seahawks run a "zone read" dual threat running attack w Wilson and Lynch.. 190yards between the two

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Does anyone expect the Skins to pay 16M in 2016 for Griffin? 16M for a guy who still doesn't understand the concepts of the WCO?

I predict he gets cut, picked up by the cowpies, sits behind and learns from the solid vet ala Rodgers/Favre and has the best olinebin football to do his thing with. He will gash us twice a year , until he is killed on the field... Literally.

The hits he takes are WWC like, and BRUTAL.

[DarthMonk]

Does anyone expect the Skins to pay 16M in 2016 for Griffin?

I don't.

I expect to see Robert in a game. This would cement his health status with regards to our "out" on the option and allow us to release him with no worries.

There is always a chance he could replace Kirk and then shine but I'n not holding my breath.

[HEROHAMO]

This is lunacy. The quarterbacks who have won the most games over the last decade are: Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rivers, Romo, Brees, the other Manning, and Hasselbeck. Not one of these players is looking to run with the football. Every one of these players can read a defense and go through a basic progression. Drafting an athlete with no quarterback skill was a damn stupid thing to do and no amount of coaching up is going to turn an athlete into a quarterback. I don't care if he's the nicest guy on the planet and loves Jesus more than Tim Tebow, he's not an NFL quarterback and it has nothing to do with the scheme. The only schemes he can run are sandlot schemes. He can't make an accurate throw from the pocket. I don't care the reasoning or the excuses behind it. If a player can't make an accurate throw from the pocket he's not a quarterback. We can beat the "fault drum" from now until hell freezes over. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. A lot of people need to move on.

Brady, Roethlisberger, Romo and Brees all used theyre legs early on in their careers when they got into trouble.

Romo and Roethlisberger especially use their legs even now. Maybe a lot less then they use to.


Oh and I am sorry but 2012 happened. Robert was accurate and made plays and got us to the playoffs. There is no excuses needed. You have your amateur opinion. I have my facts.

[HEROHAMO]

This is lunacy. The quarterbacks who have won the most games over the last decade are: Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rivers, Romo, Brees, the other Manning, and Hasselbeck. Not one of these players is looking to run with the football. Every one of these players can read a defense and go through a basic progression. Drafting an athlete with no quarterback skill was a damn stupid thing to do and no amount of coaching up is going to turn an athlete into a quarterback. I don't care if he's the nicest guy on the planet and loves Jesus more than Tim Tebow, he's not an NFL quarterback and it has nothing to do with the scheme. The only schemes he can run are sandlot schemes. He can't make an accurate throw from the pocket. I don't care the reasoning or the excuses behind it. If a player can't make an accurate throw from the pocket he's not a quarterback. We can beat the "fault drum" from now until hell freezes over. It doesn't matter whose fault it is. A lot of people need to move on.

A thousand amens. Some guys just don't want to take their RGIII PJs off and file him and 2012 as the flash in the pan the rest of understand it was, they remind me of a friend I had who stilled pined for his high school girlfriend 15 years after she dumped him. His folks finally coordinated an intervention to confront a get him to finally let it go and move on thankfully it worked and a few years later he married another woman but the guy wasted 15 of the best years of his life unwilling to let her go and move forward.

If 2012 was a flash in the pan?


Who other then RObert has had a flash in the pan for us? Kirk , Colt what QB?

Im waiting we have had no playoff run since RObert was hurt?

Bla, bla, bla...

All this balogna from you and our team is still losing with the guys you recommend.

[HEROHAMO]

I dont know why you have so much hate for him.

What other team would get there rookie of the year QB injured in the first season? How in the world do you put so much blame on Robert.

This is the delusion, man. I don't have an ounce of hate for Robert, and I don't "blame" him for anything. I was in favor of starting him all the way through the end of 2014. I just want to see the team field the best guy for the job, and no matter how much I like him, or what a great guy I think Griffin is, he has been a train wreck for the past two years.

This is where we're at with so many Griffin fans right now. We all "hate" Griffin and the Coach is intentionally calling plays to make him look bad.

Best guy for the job. LMAO

4-12! LMAO best guy for the job.

Rookie of the year and playoffs vs 4-12! LMAO!!!

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

If 2012 was a flash in the pan?


Who other then RObert has had a flash in the pan for us? Kirk , Colt what QB?

Im waiting we have had no playoff run since RObert was hurt?

Bla, bla, bla...

All this balogna from you and our team is still losing with the guys you recommend.

Riddle me this: Why did Shanahan want to start Cousins over RGIII even in 2012? Why did Shanahan say then and why does he continue to say now that Cousins is an NFL starting quarterback. When he was the head coach one might have argued it was for trade value but he's not been the head coach in a long time and yet continues to make a case for Cousins. Even with the 2012 RGIII season he coached. Why is that? Would you suggest you know more about NFL quarterbacks than Shanahan? I'd not make that suggestion. But if there's a logical explanation I'm all ears.

[HEROHAMO]

If 2012 was a flash in the pan?


Who other then RObert has had a flash in the pan for us? Kirk , Colt what QB?

Im waiting we have had no playoff run since RObert was hurt?

Bla, bla, bla...

All this balogna from you and our team is still losing with the guys you recommend.

Riddle me this: Why did Shanahan want to start Cousins over RGIII even in 2012? Why did Shanahan say then and why does he continue to say now that Cousins is an NFL starting quarterback. When he was the head coach one might have argued it was for trade value but he's not been the head coach in a long time and yet continues to make a case for Cousins. Even with the 2012 RGIII season he coached. Why is that? Would you suggest you know more about NFL quarterbacks than Shanahan? I'd not make that suggestion. But if there's a logical explanation I'm all ears.

Very simple. Shanahan wanted Kirk from the beginning. We all know
Snyder wanted Robert not Shanny.
Furthermore Shanahan is from the Bill Walsh coaching tree west coast offense. Its well documented that Robert comes from a spread offense in college. We all know this.

Even with the disagreements Shanahan was able to have some success with Robert we all know this. My problem with Shanny is that he should have pulled Robert from the Seattle playoff game.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

My problem with Shanny is that he should have pulled Robert from the Seattle playoff game.

This I agree with, although in hindsight it does no good to discuss what should have happened. It also doesn't change anything regarding RGIII's inability to read defenses.

[riggofan]

Very simple. Shanahan wanted Kirk from the beginning. We all know
Snyder wanted Robert not Shanny.

LMFAO. Ok I give up. This is like talking politics with one of those people who believe the gov't is trying to take over Texas. #jadehelm

[riggofan]

Btw anybody else watching the offenses of the future today against Cleveland and Pittsburgh? Oh my god.

[HEROHAMO]

Very simple. Shanahan wanted Kirk from the beginning. We all know
Snyder wanted Robert not Shanny.

LMFAO. Ok I give up. This is like talking politics with one of those people who believe the gov't is trying to take over Texas. #jadehelm

We won today and here you are talking balogna again. Give it a rest dousche.