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i know this team has many flaws, the running game looked far less impressive during the first half at Baltimore and the coverage wasn't good against Stephen Smith but I feel we can win some games with Cousins. I'm certain he'll have a couple of games where he'll throw multiple picks but I think if we stick with him he'll improve and lead us to 6-8 wins which would be a big improvement over the last couple of years and success for SM and SG.

Believe it or not, I am pretty disappointed it is going down like this. RGIII hasn't shown that he can hack it as an NFL starter, but I would have wanted to have seen him take on a reserve role and see if he can rebound from his failures to get back to his once rookie of the year form --- sort of in the shadows as a reserve so that he can focus on himself and his game and not the media, fans, etc. that tend to distract him.

My whole thing was that I didn't think he had deserved the starting role based on his play --- I don't want him off the team. I still have hope for him --- my hope was that if we took some of the pressure off of him for a season, he could focus on the fundamentals. Sure, that is what the offseason is for, but you don't train with the coaching staff everyday in the offseason. On the other hand, I understand Scot wanting the drama surrounding RGIII to go away, but if Gruden came out and said "RGIII is our #3 and that won't change unless there are injuries to both Cousins and McCoy concurrently." I think that would put an end to it. And yes, in this case, I'd keep 3.

Contrary to what most on here think, I do still have hope for RGIII --- then again, I am not in the film room or private discussions between Scot, Jay, and/or RGIII. I don't know what is said to RGIII by them and how well he listens or does what they say. As a boss, I find that sort of stuff super frustrating and after more than 2 times without doing as instructed, I tend to lose patience (diplomatically), so I can get that. Then again, if they have talent, I tend to be more patient --- so perhaps Jay/Scot don't see RGIII's talent any longer.

I would be surprised if we won 7 games this year. I think it is closer to 5. Our DEF was embarassing against BAL. Flacco was able to do WHATEVER he wanted to against our starting DEF. We still have SERIOUS OL issues since Scheff and Moses look WELL below average against BAL starters --- so basically the entire right side of our OL is going to see blitzes ALL YEAR LONG. And if those two don't get up to speed, we will continue to see Cousins throwing INTs as a result. We will need Desean back to mix things up, because with a weak right side, the offense gets VERY VERY predicable and easy to defend against. Cousins also didn't look that particularly great either and much of his improvement will depend on time in the pocket. I have no reservations that Cousins will get the ball out, but if he doesn't have at least 3 seconds in the pocket, the INTs will continue....

Deadskins wrote:The problem with trading him is finding a partner willing to take on the $16 million option year we picked up.

Truth. Griffin would have to be willing to renegotiate that and I don't see why he would.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:The problem with trading him is finding a partner willing to take on the $16 million option year we picked up.

Truth. Griffin would have to be willing to renegotiate that and I don't see why he would.

The $16 million isn't guaranteed if the team he gets traded to cuts him. (As we know from the discussion that surrounded the Redskins exercising RGIII's contract option, the injury guarantee is highly unlikely to occur and isn't a big risk.)

I think RGIII would have every incentive to work out a new deal with a different team, because there's no way in hell that he'll get $16 million on the market. He could, however, use the looming option year as a starting point for restructuring, which would give both him and the team options.

There is so much stuff out there about RGIII, the Redskins, trades, cuts, it is impossible to tell what is true or not true. IMP, RGIII is not gong to be the guy for the Redskins. Personally, I would rather see the Redskins release him and move on. Bite the bullet of a bad decision rather than drag it out to the detriment of the team. Let him start over with a new team. If he connects with another team and becomes the elite quarterback that he showed in his first year, best of luck to him. I seriously doubt that will happen. If he faces the Redskins as an elite quarterback, the defense is going to have to step up and stop him. Every quarterback can be stopped, be it Rodgers, Brady, Brees or any other quarterback in the league. I don't see this as a good situation for either the Redskins or RGIII.

As for Cousins, I am not sold on him. Let's see how he does in a few games. He looked good against the Ravens by overcoming the interception. That seems to have been his main drawback in the past.

OldSchool wrote: ... I think if we stick with him he'll improve and lead us to 6-8 wins which would be a big improvement over the last couple of years and success for SM and SG.

we are most likely a 6-8 win franchise with any of the 3 QBs - Griffin certainly did not convince any of us that he was greatly improved ...

This is going to be interesting because Gruden does not need any distractions and IMO Griffin has not shown that he's worth keeping

SkinsJock wrote:

OldSchool wrote:This is going to be interesting because Gruden does not need any distractions and IMO Griffin has not shown that he's worth keeping

Which is exactly why you have to cut him. He's a distraction.

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we are most likely a 6-8 win franchise with any of the 3 QBs - Griffin certainly did not convince any of us that he was greatly improved ...

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I think it will take pretty good QB play for the Skins to win 6-8 games, much better quarterbacking than we saw last season in my opinion. Our OL got stoned trying to run the ball against the starting defenses of Detroit and now Baltimore. Even with Cousins keeping drives alive going 20-27 and 190 yeards the Skins managed to only rush for 27 yards. I was disappointed with the lack of rushing success. On defense it could be a tough year again because the pass rush wasn't effective and Smith absolutely killed our secondary.

Missing a locking tight end might be the problem. I'd like to see Jones start to see if he has better luck rushing early than Morris also. We need to get a rushing attack going so Kirk doesn't have to throw 27 times in a first half.

Cowboys fan here; wow, a circus that we are not a part of, whom would have thought

now before you all get riled up, I intended to come here and throw salt on the wound, but had a change of heart.

usually we are part of the off season circus, so perhaps I am just so accustomed to being a part of a summer circus, I could not resist to post here

I see what is going on with you guys, and here is my take on the situation. As a Cowboys fan, I am as happy as anyone when they announced Cousins the starter. Now we only have to worry about the E-Gals.

Why? RG3 put football fear in me.....I will never forget the games he played against us and the long winter which ensued. Not a big RG3 guy, I feel he can be egotistical with the media, but all QBs are, to be fair.

Look, I know it does not mean much coming from a rival, but here is my blame share...

RG3's father: You do not, and I repeat, do not change what made you successful. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and Wilson demonstrated that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a SMART running QB.

RG3: Well, RG3 is Russell Wilson esque, not Cam Newton esque. Same can be said for Kap. He should have stuck to what made him successful; the kid lets the media and others buzz in his ear too often, should have stuck with the Shan's gameplan. The "Read option" being dead is a myth, it just takes a smart QB to run it from time to time, ask Wilson. RG3 just has to slide and stop taking hits. The talking is overblown, that is just Washington brass and fans whom want to nitpick to send him packing. The last thing this kid said which made me go "Eh.." was "I think I just won the Heisman."

The fans: As a Cowboy fan, of course I had to roast you all, lol, but seriously; this kid is special, seen it from the other side of the grass. Again, I fear this man on the field. Imo? He will end up in Houston and will thrive. This team is just a mess, waaay worst than we ever been the last few years. I have never seen a kid roasted so much, and hated by his very own.

Is it really true that the OL dislike him? LOL, Well, that explains why they look different with Cousins and that other dude.

This episode says alot about your team and the organization as a whole. I will say this, from one circus to another, if you think getting rid of one guy, the one with a bright future and helped you steal our crown in 2012 will solve your issues? You got another thing coming. Coaches and players disliking him, OL perhaps not blocking for him, this is a very unprofessional organization that is giving away a true gem. What if they don't like the next QB? RG3 is better than Cousins and the stats display this, what makes you think a 2-7 guy will get it done. Did he not gey his chnaces before?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

Again, i can see Robert going home to Texas, and doing a Drew Bres/Steve Young.

Yea, yea, get out Cowboys fan, why do you care? i don't, lol, just my cents.

i mean, these are not bad career stats for a guy whom had limited time on the field, and part of a team that does not want him; no clue how he functions.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... rt-griffin

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... ndrew-luck

I still believe in the kid, not saying he is the gunslinger that luck is, but i view luck as a mobile, inaccurate version of Romo, but he gets more respect than our guy Romo cause he replaced Peyton, but the kid just does not impress me; half of his TDs are Ints. and his COMP% is Vick esque, another inaccurate guy with a big arm. RG3 is more accurate than Luck, but less decisive. RG's deep ball was impressive.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/ ... ure-stats/

Just my 2 cents on the whole RG3 fiasco.

The important thing here is that it would appear that the player decisions are being made by the HC - I'm sure he is being supported by Bruce and Scot and I'm also sure that Snyder is being included in the discussions

The key now is that they continue to handle this mess that they created in the best way for the franchise

They need to decide if it's best for the franchise to keep Griffin - this can only happen if they know that he will not be a distraction to the coaches or the other players - reports are that Cousins thinks that Griffin can still be a help to both himself and the team and that Gruden has indicated it is still a possibility that they will keep all 3 QBs

as FFA has pointed out the likelihood of Griffin being hurt to the extent that he's unable to pass a physical next season is VERY small, so not keeping him because he might get dinged up is not a factor in reality

this has been a mess but it would appear that things are under control here finally

TheBaller wrote:Cowboys fan here; wow, a circus that we are not a part of, whom would have thought

now before you all get riled up, I intended to come here and throw salt on the wound, but had a change of heart.

usually we are part of the off season circus, so perhaps I am just so accustomed to being a part of a summer circus, I could not resist to post here

I see what is going on with you guys, and here is my take on the situation. As a Cowboys fan, I am as happy as anyone when they announced Cousins the starter. Now we only have to worry about the E-Gals.

Why? RG3 put football fear in me.....I will never forget the games he played against us and the long winter which ensued. Not a big RG3 guy, I feel he can be egotistical with the media, but all QBs are, to be fair.

Look, I know it does not mean much coming from a rival, but here is my blame share...

RG3's father: You do not, and I repeat, do not change what made you successful. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and Wilson demonstrated that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a SMART running QB.

RG3: Well, RG3 is Russell Wilson esque, not Cam Newton esque. Same can be said for Kap. He should have stuck to what made him successful; the kid lets the media and others buzz in his ear too often, should have stuck with the Shan's gameplan. The "Read option" being dead is a myth, it just takes a smart QB to run it from time to time, ask Wilson. RG3 just has to slide and stop taking hits. The talking is overblown, that is just Washington brass and fans whom want to nitpick to send him packing. The last thing this kid said which made me go "Eh.." was "I think I just won the Heisman."

The fans: As a Cowboy fan, of course I had to roast you all, lol, but seriously; this kid is special, seen it from the other side of the grass. Again, I fear this man on the field. Imo? He will end up in Houston and will thrive. This team is just a mess, waaay worst than we ever been the last few years. I have never seen a kid roasted so much, and hated by his very own.

Is it really true that the OL dislike him? LOL, Well, that explains why they look different with Cousins and that other dude.

This episode says alot about your team and the organization as a whole. I will say this, from one circus to another, if you think getting rid of one guy, the one with a bright future and helped you steal our crown in 2012 will solve your issues? You got another thing coming. Coaches and players disliking him, OL perhaps not blocking for him, this is a very unprofessional organization that is giving away a true gem. What if they don't like the next QB? RG3 is better than Cousins and the stats display this, what makes you think a 2-7 guy will get it done. Did he not gey his chnaces before?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

Again, i can see Robert going home to Texas, and doing a Drew Bres/Steve Young.

Yea, yea, get out Cowboys fan, why do you care? i don't, lol, just my cents.

i mean, these are not bad career stats for a guy whom had limited time on the field, and part of a team that does not want him; no clue how he functions.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... rt-griffin

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... ndrew-luck

I still believe in the kid, not saying he is the gunslinger that luck is, but i view luck as a mobile, inaccurate version of Romo, but he gets more respect than our guy Romo cause he replaced Peyton, but the kid just does not impress me; half of his TDs are Ints. and his COMP% is Vick esque, another inaccurate guy with a big arm. RG3 is more accurate than Luck, but less decisive. RG's deep ball was impressive.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/ ... ure-stats/

Just my 2 cents on the whole RG3 fiasco.

Did you stop watching him after 2012?? Shouldn't you fear Colt McCoy more!!

DEHog wrote:

TheBaller wrote:Cowboys fan here; wow, a circus that we are not a part of, whom would have thought

now before you all get riled up, I intended to come here and throw salt on the wound, but had a change of heart.

usually we are part of the off season circus, so perhaps I am just so accustomed to being a part of a summer circus, I could not resist to post here

I see what is going on with you guys, and here is my take on the situation. As a Cowboys fan, I am as happy as anyone when they announced Cousins the starter. Now we only have to worry about the E-Gals.

Why? RG3 put football fear in me.....I will never forget the games he played against us and the long winter which ensued. Not a big RG3 guy, I feel he can be egotistical with the media, but all QBs are, to be fair.

Look, I know it does not mean much coming from a rival, but here is my blame share...

RG3's father: You do not, and I repeat, do not change what made you successful. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and Wilson demonstrated that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a SMART running QB.

RG3: Well, RG3 is Russell Wilson esque, not Cam Newton esque. Same can be said for Kap. He should have stuck to what made him successful; the kid lets the media and others buzz in his ear too often, should have stuck with the Shan's gameplan. The "Read option" being dead is a myth, it just takes a smart QB to run it from time to time, ask Wilson. RG3 just has to slide and stop taking hits. The talking is overblown, that is just Washington brass and fans whom want to nitpick to send him packing. The last thing this kid said which made me go "Eh.." was "I think I just won the Heisman."

The fans: As a Cowboy fan, of course I had to roast you all, lol, but seriously; this kid is special, seen it from the other side of the grass. Again, I fear this man on the field. Imo? He will end up in Houston and will thrive. This team is just a mess, waaay worst than we ever been the last few years. I have never seen a kid roasted so much, and hated by his very own.

Is it really true that the OL dislike him? LOL, Well, that explains why they look different with Cousins and that other dude.

This episode says alot about your team and the organization as a whole. I will say this, from one circus to another, if you think getting rid of one guy, the one with a bright future and helped you steal our crown in 2012 will solve your issues? You got another thing coming. Coaches and players disliking him, OL perhaps not blocking for him, this is a very unprofessional organization that is giving away a true gem. What if they don't like the next QB? RG3 is better than Cousins and the stats display this, what makes you think a 2-7 guy will get it done. Did he not gey his chnaces before?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

Again, i can see Robert going home to Texas, and doing a Drew Bres/Steve Young.

Yea, yea, get out Cowboys fan, why do you care? i don't, lol, just my cents.

i mean, these are not bad career stats for a guy whom had limited time on the field, and part of a team that does not want him; no clue how he functions.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... rt-griffin

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... ndrew-luck

I still believe in the kid, not saying he is the gunslinger that luck is, but i view luck as a mobile, inaccurate version of Romo, but he gets more respect than our guy Romo cause he replaced Peyton, but the kid just does not impress me; half of his TDs are Ints. and his COMP% is Vick esque, another inaccurate guy with a big arm. RG3 is more accurate than Luck, but less decisive. RG's deep ball was impressive.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/ ... ure-stats/

Just my 2 cents on the whole RG3 fiasco.

Did you stop watching him after 2012?? Shouldn't you fear Colt McCoy more!!

Ouch,

"That other dude" did not beat us, but rather, we beat ourselves.

hey, we are the NFC East champs, while you all were a lottery team with Colt and Cousins. meanwhile , the only dude that won something for you guys on the NFL level is RG3; ROTY and an NFC title; he was also on the verge of ending the current Wilson craze in the Wild card game if he were not so brittle.

All I am saying is this, you guys were a mess before RG3 got here, and Wash goes through QBs like nobody's business, but RG3 took that lottery team to a NFC East title.

Did RG3 not give you all the first NFC East title since like 1999? Hmm...and you all want him outta town. Just sounds odd to me.

RG3 in his worst year, was better than Cousins.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/i ... rt-griffin

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins

I am just a curious outsider, what makes you all think cousins will do better than Robert when he is not even a better QB than Robert? The stats do not lie.

Now, this is a better QB than Robert

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5209/tony-romo

See the difference? It is decisive, you can clearly see Romo's superior stats.

I just feel that you Washington fans are trying hard to convince yourselves that RG3 is the problem and you will regret it; you will have to live with the results when he blows up else where.

The organization and fans done him wrong, but I expect nothing less from a team named "The Redskins"

Rg3 is the scape goat in all of this. Now, he is not blameless, was pretty sub-par in 2014, but yet, better than Cousins, but the organization is trying to convince themselves that Cousins plays well. LOOOOOL. That INT on the NFL-Network was horrible, but people says he played well, hehe.

Pure comedy, face saving at its' finest. RG3 will have the last laugh imo.

Cowboy nation is loving this circus, but the best part is yet to come...you know...when RG3 plays well elsewhere.....you all know its coming, lol and it is going to be hilarious. Never seen people place so much emphasis in the preseason, lol.

You were dead last in the NFC East since 1999 if i recall correctly until.....2012....hmmm......

TheBaller wrote:You were dead last in the NFC East since 1999 if i recall correctly until.....2012....hmmm......

I won't dispute most of what you say... but your closer needs work... check your stats...

Jay Gruden has made this franchise look like a mess. I do not know why we as a fan base put so much trust in an Arena League coach whose Cincy offenses looked like crap in the post season. Gruden is a rookie coach who acts like he invented coaching. Plus he is just stupid: Listen to his pressers.

As bad as Snyder has been, it has never been this bad. We need to get rid of Gruden ASAP.

TheBaller wrote:"That other dude" did not beat us, but rather, we beat ourselves.

Ahhh yes, the classic loser's mantra.

TheBaller wrote:hey, we are the NFC East champs

Lot of good that did you.

TheBaller wrote:you can clearly see Romo's superior stats.

You must love him in fantasy football. In the real world, he chokes in the biggest games.

TheBaller wrote:if i recall correctly

You don't.

Hey Baller, Bob3 was successful in Kyle's system. Kyle is a master planner. Bob thrived.........but how did he "repay" the Shannys? He ran them both out of town.

Bob3, you deserve the benching.

Ouch,

"That other dude" did not beat us, but rather, we beat ourselves.

hey, we are the NFC East champs, while you all were a lottery team with Colt and Cousins. meanwhile , the only dude that won something for you guys on the NFL level is RG3; ROTY and an NFC title; he was also on the verge of ending the current Wilson craze in the Wild card game if he were not so brittle.

All I am saying is this, you guys were a mess before RG3 got here, and Wash goes through QBs like nobody's business, but RG3 took that lottery team to a NFC East title.

Did RG3 not give you all the first NFC East title since like 1999? Hmm...and you all want him outta town. Just sounds odd to me.

RG3 in his worst year, was better than Cousins.

Well maybe Dallas can pick him up to back up Romo, or maybe he takes Romo spot because he's so good. Your logic makes me laugh, if he's so good why haven't we played a meaningful game since December of 2012?? I don't care about stats, he is a read option QB if you knew anything about football you could see that. Heck most of my Cowboy friends are not happy about the switch; they wanted to see RG still playing. If your only critique of Cousins is his INT's then again you know nothing about football, of course INT's are something that Cowboys fans should be familiar with. Since you're such a stat guy go look at some of the elite QB's in the league and look at their INT stats when they entered the league.

This reeks of clickbait. Not that ESPN would ever publish anything simply for traffic but they do continue to employ Skip Bayless so their credibility is somewhat suspect. I'm sure Danny is still pissing razor blades at the cost paid for RGIII but he's also ultimately responsible for not having football people making football decisions from the outset. Mike Shanahan didn't want RGIII for a lot of reasons. Shanahan is no quarterback guru but he is a damn sight more football knowledgeable than is Bruce Allen or Dan Snyder. If Shanahan had had his way we'd have Russell Wilson quarterbacking this team right now. But that's all hindsight. Does anyone think for a minute Scot McCloughan would have agreed to anything less than full and complete personnel control? And yet, he was hired by an Snyder. With Bruce Allen still in the building. Nothing about that says Dan Snyder is still calling the shots in regard to personnel. Furthermore, Bruce Allen couldn't find football talent with Bobby Beathard handing him a road map. That was painfully obvious over the course of a couple of drafts. Everything says Gruden made the call and the only other voice in the decision was Scot McCloughan's. But ESPN needs a story since Jerry Jones hasn't done anything of note, Tiger still sucks, and Tom Brady is unable to have himself virtually fellated while under suspension.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:This reeks of clickbait. Not that ESPN would ever publish anything simply for traffic but they do continue to employ Skip Bayless so their credibility is somewhat suspect. I'm sure Danny is still pissing razor blades at the cost paid for RGIII but he's also ultimately responsible for not having football people making football decisions from the outset. Mike Shanahan didn't want RGIII for a lot of reasons. Shanahan is no quarterback guru but he is a damn sight more football knowledgeable than is Bruce Allen or Dan Snyder. If Shanahan had had his way we'd have Russell Wilson quarterbacking this team right now. But that's all hindsight. Does anyone think for a minute Scot McCloughan would have agreed to anything less than full and complete personnel control? And yet, he was hired by an Snyder. With Bruce Allen still in the building. Nothing about that says Dan Snyder is still calling the shots in regard to personnel. Furthermore, Bruce Allen couldn't find football talent with Bobby Beathard handing him a road map. That was painfully obvious over the course of a couple of drafts. Everything says Gruden made the call and the only other voice in the decision was Scot McCloughan's. But ESPN needs a story since Jerry Jones hasn't done anything of note, Tiger still sucks, and Tom Brady is unable to have himself virtually fellated while under suspension.

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Countertrey wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:This reeks of clickbait. Not that ESPN would ever publish anything simply for traffic but they do continue to employ Skip Bayless so their credibility is somewhat suspect. I'm sure Danny is still pissing razor blades at the cost paid for RGIII but he's also ultimately responsible for not having football people making football decisions from the outset. Mike Shanahan didn't want RGIII for a lot of reasons. Shanahan is no quarterback guru but he is a damn sight more football knowledgeable than is Bruce Allen or Dan Snyder. If Shanahan had had his way we'd have Russell Wilson quarterbacking this team right now. But that's all hindsight. Does anyone think for a minute Scot McCloughan would have agreed to anything less than full and complete personnel control? And yet, he was hired by an Snyder. With Bruce Allen still in the building. Nothing about that says Dan Snyder is still calling the shots in regard to personnel. Furthermore, Bruce Allen couldn't find football talent with Bobby Beathard handing him a road map. That was painfully obvious over the course of a couple of drafts. Everything says Gruden made the call and the only other voice in the decision was Scot McCloughan's. But ESPN needs a story since Jerry Jones hasn't done anything of note, Tiger still sucks, and Tom Brady is unable to have himself virtually fellated while under suspension.

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+1 - there is a lot more to what has happened here with the QB situation - a whole lot more ...

I do agree though that the recent stuff would give credence to the thought that Scot and Jay have a lot more control over the product on the field than seemed to be the case a week ago ...

I am encouraged about the promotion of Cousins to the starting QB position and am hopeful that Scot will continue as GM here for some time

TheBaller wrote:I see what is going on with you guys, and here is my take on the situation. As a Cowboys fan, I am as happy as anyone when they announced Cousins the starter. Now we only have to worry about the E-Gals.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a SMART running QB.

He will end up in Houston and will thrive. This team is just a mess, waaay worst than we ever been the last few years. I have never seen a kid roasted so much, and hated by his very own.

Is it really true that the OL dislike him? LOL, Well, that explains why they look different with Cousins and that other dude.

This episode says alot about your team and the organization as a whole. I will say this, from one circus to another, if you think getting rid of one guy, the one with a bright future and helped you steal our crown in 2012 will solve your issues? You got another thing coming.

i mean, these are not bad career stats for a guy whom had limited time on the field, and part of a team that does not want him; no clue how he functions.

but i view luck as a mobile, inaccurate version of Romo, but he gets more respect than our guy Romo cause he replaced Peyton, but the kid just does not impress me; half of his TDs are Ints. and his COMP% is Vick esque, another inaccurate guy with a big arm. RG3 is more accurate than Luck, but less decisive. RG's deep ball was impressive.

Should have jumped on this earlier. I only put the parts of baller's post that I comment on.

I literally don't think this dude has watched skins football other than when we play them. Becuase he sounds mis-informed --- and I mean SERIOUSLY mis-informed. His assessment of RGIII literally coudn't be more off. And with all the Cowboys injuries, I wouldn't say they have a run at the conference. The Giants are much better than their record indicated last season --- and last season had the hardest NFC East schedule. I also should mention that DAL had the EASIEST in the league. http://i.imgur.com/t9fPLlF.png

Nothing wrong with a running QB, but an injury-prone running QB.....

As a Houstonian, I doubt he'll end up here. Apparently we already put our trade requests and came up empty. You also must not understand O'Brien's offense and the QB's job. One of the key elements to his offense is his QB's ability to read defenses and react to them using pre-snap movement. Mobility is not a value-added attribute in his scheme. RGIII couldn't be a worse fit.

I don't think our OL dislikes RGIII, but from an outsider's view, I doubt they like how he runs up their sack totals and makes them look worse than they are.

Your organization statement is the one thing I agree with. I don't think getting rid of RGIII would create less dysfunction. There is only one way to remove it --- and that is if Danny boy sells or dies.

This team has been behind him more than basically any other franchise would have. They have given him chance after chance. To the point it is going on comical. They also fully understand how he functions --- which is why he was benched. I suggest you actually watch 4 of his 2014 games before you come on here and give an opinion --- because right now you couldn't be more wrong and just sound like someone that has no clue.

I love your Luck vs. Romo comment -- in true homer fashion. After reading that, I now think perhaps you have no clue when it comes to football in general. I have nothing against Romo as I think he is a VERY GOOD QB (as I have said in MANY posts here), he had his best season as a pro last year. I'd take him as our QB in 1 minute flat. That said, Romo isn't anything like Luck. And saying he is an inaccurate version of a player that is already superior to Romo is even more comical. In 3 years Luck already has more playoff wins than Romo (in 6 less seasons). Luck also has a 69% win percentage (after taking over the worst team in football the prior year) vs. a 60% for Romo. And that doesn't include playoffs .

As far as his accuracy --- looking purely at comp % is amateurish. There are so many variables that tie in to that stat, such as yards per attempt, the type of routes thrown to, comp % in 1-10, 10-20, and 20+, drops, throwaways, pressure, etc. Here is a list: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-incomplete-pass-breakdown-passers. As you can see Romo has 1.1% less throwaways and 3.4% less drops. In fact, Romo had the least amount of dropped balls in the league while Luck had the MOST.

And he gets respect because he replaced Peyton???????? Were in the f$^% do you get your logic on that one? In reality, he would be put under a larger microscope and subject to more critism BECAUSE HE REPLACED PEYTON. If the dude flopped, it would be considered one of the worst personnel decisions in the HISTORY OF THE GAME. He gets more respect than Romo because he is BETTER.

Also doesn't hurt that Romo had the best RB and OL in the league as well as one of the best 3 WRs & TEs in the NFL. Meanwhile Luck had the worst RB in the league, a mediocre at best OL, and a good slot as his #1 WR and an old college buddy as a TE. And with that group Luck still put up the 3rd best offense per yardage and the 6th best scoring offense in the NFL last year!!! Honestly, I would take our/the skins offensive unit sans QB over Indys any day of the week and twice on Sunday. And I bring this up because the fact Romo had his best year as a pro last year is no coincidence. It was because he also had the best supporting cast of his career as well. Romo NEEDS support in order to produce --- Luck doesn't. Luck had and has had nobody to support him offensively since he got there. He's like Adam Sandler's the waterboy out there. You put him at the helm of the Cowboys offense and he'll put up numbers we have never seen before. There is a reason he will soon be the highest paid player in the league.

Oh and another thing that is amateurish --- USING STATS TO SUPPORT YOUR POINTS FROM 2012!!!!!!!!! WHO GIVES A S&^% ABOUT 2012.

he had his shot .... just wish there was an NFL team dumb enough to offer a trade for bob .... would like to get something for nothing ...

I think that there are probably some franchises who are convinced that they don't need to do anything - they likely think that the Redskins are so stupid that they'd give up all those draft picks for a QB that obviously cannot play QB and then they'll just let him go for nothing ...

SkinsJock wrote:I think that there are probably some franchises who are convinced that they don't need to do anything - they likely think that the Redskins are so stupid that they'd give up all those draft picks for a QB that obviously cannot play QB and then they'll just let him go for nothing ...

At some point we might not have any choice but to let him go for nothing. Its not really a question of whether we're being stupid or not.

I kind of expect we'll keep him on the 53 for a few weeks at least to see if anybody gets desperate for a QB. As long as he's not a big distraction, that seems like it would be the best move. If somebody loses a QB or gets desperate, we might luck into a trade partner.

my point is that unlike some fans and some members of the media, the guys that make decisions here are more in touch with the value of their players to both our franchise and to others