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If you say so.

I support Griffin because the franchise is better off if he can play at an NFL level than if Cousins or McCoy can

if Griffin cannot lift his game considerably then we go with Cousins or McCoy and find a way to get a franchise QB because those 2 are not that

it's that simple for me


stats are like bikinis, it's not what they reveal, it's what they don't show and cover up that's important

SkinsJock wrote:

markshark84 wrote:Personally, I think Cousins can be a VERY good NFL QB. The mistakes (and his stats) Cousins has made are errily similar to those of Peyton Manning early in his career. In particular, he forced passes he shouldn't of because he had no time in the pocket. If I were the coach and my job was on the line, he'd be my QB right now. When I watch Cousins, I see a lot of 1998 Peyton, I really do.

are you freaking kidding me - Cousins might be a good NFL QB but he's nowhere near the quality QB you're suggesting he is ...

are you family or something? If Cousins were possibly anywhere near as good as you think, he would be a starting NFL QB .. he's NOT that




I have a drink occasionally myself .. it's OK

Cousins would be the starter here if Dan Snyder wasn't ordering his employees the continue to play Griffin. How good he'd play, I can't tell you we probably won't find out about Cousins until he's played a couple of seasons with his next team. Meanwhile SJ, you've already booked seat 1A on the 2016 Griffin Is Ready To Rock Express to FanboyLand.

I could be wrong about Cousins and McCoy, but, if they looked like starting quality QBs to NFL talent evaluators, they would not be here

Griffin is definitely being given preferential treatment over Cousins and McCoy but that is because he's got more upside

After what we've seen recently, it's surprising that Gruden is continuing to stick by him ...


then again ... maybe Gruden is holding onto Cousins because he knows what is going to happen with you know who ...

markshark84 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Ya know... I can name a dozen starting and who have had poor preseasons this far as well. But in DC it's a *sh$t* when we don't play like it's the sb

That's ridiculous exaggeration. I'm sure its true that fans in the DMV overreact a lot when it comes to the Redskins, but come on man. If Griffin looks in this preseason like he did in LAST preseason, what are fans supposed to be thinking?

Here's preseason QB stats so far:
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... SER_RATING

Sorted by passer rating. You gotta go to page 2 to find RGIII. At #84. Behind Tim Tebow.

You realize that cowboykillerz, skinsjock, and deadskins are the 3 biggest RGIII apologists on the board, don't you?

You can give them all the stats and actual information you want and they'll find excuses for why they are skewed or somehow misrepresentative --- well perhaps not Deadskins in all situations, but the other two for sure.

What's wrong with holding out hope? I just wanna win... And jus because I don't hop on the team cousins or McCoy bus doesn't mean I'm not objective.

Robert has had a rough pre-season but in camp has impressed. More so then the back ups

I didn't say anything other then he is more critically judged then other qbs in these games without meaning. Rightfully so? Maybe. But judged harsher nonetheless- with Willie fn Smith "protecting" his blind side.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:What's wrong with holding out hope? I just wanna win... And jus because I don't hop on the team cousins or McCoy bus doesn't mean I'm not objective.

Robert has had a rough pre-season but in camp has impressed. More so then the back ups

I didn't say anything other then he is more critically judged then other qbs in these games without meaning. Rightfully so? Maybe. But judged harsher nonetheless- with Willie fn Smith "protecting" his blind side.

Dude, come on. This is garbage.

Nothing wrong with holding out hope, but you can't do it to the detriment of the team. The fact you can't see (or admit to over the past 2 years) how bad RGIII is playing sort of means you are NOT objective, though. That --- and the fact you have ADMITTED to being bias......

The biggest joke statement was saying that RGIII has "impressed" this preseason. Who has said that? Outside of a couple comments on the first couple days of camp, I haven't heard anything close to that. Perhaps you are more tuned in to the Dan Synder yes-man media --- let me guess, you're getting your information from that tool Larry Michael....

And honestly, who gives a ^$&% about practice. No one. It is how you perform in games and RGIII has looked horrible in the preseason. My hope is that it is the preseason and it will be different for reasons deadskins outlined earlier.

Is RGIII judged harsher???? If he is, it is only because he says stupid things --- but in the same regard, the reason he is put under a microscope is one of the reasons why HE IS GIVEN FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR MORE OPPORTUNITIES THAN COUSINS. After 1 bad game, Cousins is benched for the remainder of the year. Griffin has had 1 good game in the past 2 years and people are still making excuses for him --- or have "hope" without any foundation.

And when are you going to put an end to the excuse making. You have to do with what you have. Cousins AND McCoy did just fine. RGIII - 8 dropbacks, 3 sacks. Cousins & McCoy - 22 dropbacks, 0 sacks. Sound familiar?????

And for what it's worth --- if Cousins were playing, he'd be on an immensely short lease also, but I'd at least give him a COUPLE games.

Man I don't have the energy to beat around this tree.... Agaian.
Robert played like crap the since 2012- I've never said otherwise bro wtf u talkin bout?

You wannna hang your hat on a guy who looks good vs backups and future Wal-Mart greeters??? Who has no juevos and is a turn over machine??
No thanks.

Cousins? Kirk Grossman? One bad game?! You mean the guy who lead the league in turnovers until his benching, despite playing over a game LESS then any other qb?!?
Seems that finger you point at me for things you equally mirror- just in someone else's corner. Gtfoh with your Bs bro

My big concern is that he will suffer a major injury & We'll have to eat $16M in dead cap next year.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Man I don't have the energy to beat around this tree.... Agaian.
Robert played like crap the since 2012- I've never said otherwise bro wtf u talkin bout?

You wannna hang your hat on a guy who looks good vs backups and future Wal-Mart greeters??? Who has no juevos and is a turn over machine??
No thanks.

Cousins? Kirk Grossman? One bad game?! You mean the guy who lead the league in turnovers until his benching, despite playing over a game LESS then any other qb?!?
Seems that finger you point at me for things you equally mirror- just in someone else's corner. Gtfoh with your Bs bro

rg3 looks great right now ... right ???? he isn't a pocket passer never has been never will be .... he is a backyard qb with terrible footwork has trouble reading Ds and gets hurt reading a book ..... his days are numbered as the starting qb for this football team

redskinz4ever wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Man I don't have the energy to beat around this tree.... Agaian.
Robert played like crap the since 2012- I've never said otherwise bro wtf u talkin bout?

You wannna hang your hat on a guy who looks good vs backups and future Wal-Mart greeters??? Who has no juevos and is a turn over machine??
No thanks.

Cousins? Kirk Grossman? One bad game?! You mean the guy who lead the league in turnovers until his benching, despite playing over a game LESS then any other qb?!?
Seems that finger you point at me for things you equally mirror- just in someone else's corner. Gtfoh with your Bs bro

rg3 looks great right now ... right ???? he isn't a pocket passer never has been never will be .... he is a backyard qb with terrible footwork has trouble reading Ds and gets hurt reading a book ..... his days are numbered as the starting qb for this football team

Yeah, that's how I read that too.

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Ya know... I can name a dozen starting and who have had poor preseasons this far as well. But in DC it's a *sh$t* when we don't play like it's the sb

That's ridiculous exaggeration. I'm sure its true that fans in the DMV overreact a lot when it comes to the Redskins, but come on man. If Griffin looks in this preseason like he did in LAST preseason, what are fans supposed to be thinking?

Here's preseason QB stats so far:
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... SER_RATING

Sorted by passer rating. You gotta go to page 2 to find RGIII. At #84. Behind Tim Tebow.

Tell me, what does that link do; besides further my point??

Did you see who is behind RGiii? Mr Brady.

You think butt fumble Sanchez is ranked higher then Rodgers in anything in life besides sucking???

That's all's I'm saying boss- preseason. No need to crap the bed ... Yet

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:What's wrong with holding out hope? I just wanna win... And jus because I don't hop on the team cousins or McCoy bus doesn't mean I'm not objective.

No problem with that, man. We're all just tossing out best guesses at this point. I don't have any issue with fans who are still on board with Griffin.

I was objecting to your comment that fans were over reacting to preseason. I'm just not buying that.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Tell me, what does that link do; besides further my point??

There is no way of looking at those preseason stats that proves your point.

Brady has played something like 16 snaps this preseason and isn't a guy who needs to prove he can play in the NFL. You're smarter than that and pointing out one or two flukey numbers doesn't change the larger picture.

My point with those QBR preseason stats is that like fifty other QBs have taken the field this preseason and just played respectably. I don't care if Mark Sanchez QBR is three points higher than Aaron Rodgers or not. The fact that for a second year in a row our starting QB looks like a complete disaster in the preseason is legitimate cause for concern.

we're Redskins fans - most here over react to everything and anything to do with this franchise

it's really simple for me ... would Cousins or McCoy playing at their best be better for the franchise than Griffin playing at his best?

Griffin's stinking up the place and the other 2 seem to be OK, so what? we're just fans, the coaches will figure this out

as unlikely as it seems, Griffin has more chance to be a good NFL QB than Cousins does in not being a turnover machine

SkinsJock wrote:it's really simple for me ... would Cousins or McCoy playing at their best be better for the franchise than Griffin playing at his best?

I've seen you write that a few times lately SJ and its just too nuanced for me. Its only better for "the franchise" in that Griffin playing well saves face for Allen and Snyder. They don't have to go down in history as making one of the most costly draft trade mistakes in history.

It doesn't matter to me if its Griffin getting the job done or Cousins getting the job done. We just need a QB who can get the job done. What do I care if we go 9-7 with Cousins or 9-7 with RGIII?

The higher ceiling argument went out the window when RGIII shredded his knee.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Man I don't have the energy to beat around this tree.... Agaian.
Robert played like crap the since 2012- I've never said otherwise bro wtf u talkin bout?

You wannna hang your hat on a guy who looks good vs backups and future Wal-Mart greeters??? Who has no juevos and is a turn over machine??
No thanks.

Cousins? Kirk Grossman? One bad game?! You mean the guy who lead the league in turnovers until his benching, despite playing over a game LESS then any other qb?!?
Seems that finger you point at me for things you equally mirror- just in someone else's corner. Gtfoh with your Bs bro

Cousins has had 9 starts whereas Griffin has had 36. Cousins knows how to run a WCO fast enough and Griffin doesn't. I don't think any reasonable observer can dispute these points. The large question is can Cousins reduce his INTs to an acceptable level and close games stronger so he can become a long term starter. No knows at this point.

Cousins critics like you might be right he could still be firing a lot of picks like Grossman after 70 or 80 starts but there is also the possibility that Cousins turns is 1 TD to 1 INT ratio into 1.35 TDs to 1 INT and if he can do that long term it would rank him in the all time top 50. A 30% reduction in INTS would make all the difference. Can he do that? I think he could and want us to find out in DC not see him do it at some other franchise.

http://www.footballdb.com/leaders/career-passing-tdintratio

The argument against Cousins just makes me laugh...Cousins hasn't been given the chance to play through the turnover issue. Like many young QB's I believe he can work through it, and whie we're talking about turnovers, have you taken a look at RG's fumble stats??

I'm a Griffin fan and I do hope that he can find a way to become a good NFL QB here soon

that being said, this franchise needs to change the way it's managed and we were all led to think that everyone here (coaches and players) would be given every opportunity to be a part of this franchise as it remakes itself - that certainly does not look like that is happening with the QB position and you have to wonder what the hell that means across the board

I'm not expecting great things this season but I do want to see clear evidence that Snyder is not involved at all ...

the starting QB here should be the player that is best for this offense and this franchise's plan for the future

to me, that player does not look like Griffin at this time - hopefully things get straightened out here in the next few weeks

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Man I don't have the energy to beat around this tree.... Agaian.
Robert played like crap the since 2012- I've never said otherwise bro wtf u talkin bout?

You wannna hang your hat on a guy who looks good vs backups and future Wal-Mart greeters??? Who has no juevos and is a turn over machine??
No thanks.

Cousins? Kirk Grossman? One bad game?! You mean the guy who lead the league in turnovers until his benching, despite playing over a game LESS then any other qb?!?
Seems that finger you point at me for things you equally mirror- just in someone else's corner. Gtfoh with your Bs bro

Again, come on. You've never said otherwise...... This is the second time in this thread you have stated falsehoods about what you have or have not said regarding RGIII (the first being you weren't subjective, which you have admitted to previously). You have to start remembering what you say....

I recall some pretty heavy back and forths with you about RGIII's play in BOTH 2013 and 2014. In that you said he was playing well BUT for excuse #1, excuse #2, excuse #3, etc. we were't winning. Dude, you said you don't want to go thru this again above, but the only reason we went thru this initially was BECAUSE you said RGIII was playing WELL!!!

And I'd honestly rather take a guy that looks pretty unreal against 2nd stringers than a guy that looks like an undrafted rookie QB that has no idea what the F&*$ he is doing against a combination of 1st and 2nd stringers getting sacked every other down as he did in the prior year.....

And the only reason I don't think a change should be made now is to put this entire thing to rest. Give RGIII 5-8 games (depeding on play) to show everyone what we all already know --- he can no longer play at this level by replicating what he did in 2013 and 2014. Then once that has been established, give Cousins the keys for the rest of the year irrespective of play. Allow him to make mistakes and not get benched for the rest of the year.

And WTF does Grossman have to do with this. They are completely different players. If you don't see that, you shouldn't be commenting on anything talent related. And Cousins threw INTs last year in bunches (3 in one game, 4 in another and 2 in his other 4). Great QBs have frequently had this EXACT issue earlier in their career --- gun slinger types (which is the type of QB you want since they put up points --- as long as they can qwell their INT issue). RGIIIs meanwhile as issues with: bad footwork, poor reads, slow analysis, sacked often, inability to protect the football, injury prone --- things QBs have historically had issues overcoming. Kirk has ONE major thing to fix ----- RGIII has nearly a half a dozen.

Dude, you sit here an blast Cousins and say that RGIII is the superior QB ---- when literally everything in the past 2 years has said otherwise. I know you have hope for RGIII and believe it or not I do too, but you don't have to trash the other QBs in order to maintain your dwindling hope. I'd love for RGIII to come back and crush it, but the likelihood is slim to none. We have to start thinking about next steps in case RGIII maintains his 2013-2014 form.

riggofan wrote: .. Its only better for "the franchise" in that Griffin playing well saves face for Allen and Snyder.
They don't have to go down in history as making one of the most costly draft trade mistakes in history.

It doesn't matter to me if its Griffin getting the job done or Cousins getting the job done. We just need a QB who can get the job done.
What do I care if we go 9-7 with Cousins or 9-7 with RGIII?

The higher ceiling argument went out the window when RGIII shredded his knee.

I agree that it does not matter who the QB is - the important thing is to have the best QB for the offense in there, this season

I don't see Cousins becoming a starting caliber, NFL QB - I just don't see him as much more than a very good back-up NFL QB, if that
I will also agree that Griffin isn't even at that level, right now

I just hope the coaches use the QB they think is best for this franchise going forward - not just to 'satisfy' Snyder & Allen

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:What's wrong with holding out hope? I just wanna win... And jus because I don't hop on the team cousins or McCoy bus doesn't mean I'm not objective.

No problem with that, man. We're all just tossing out best guesses at this point. I don't have any issue with fans who are still on board with Griffin.

I was objecting to your comment that fans were over reacting to preseason. I'm just not buying that.

I can dig that too bro... The over reacting was directed at the media more so, but social media can be brutal. I think the first two games (although had Garçon held on [albeit not the easiest catch, but well within his wheelhouse] then it's just the Detroit game) left us reason for concern, but not for doomsday projections. Just like the clowns who are talking super bowl after the Eagles dropped 40 on the Ravens...

While preseason should be taken with a grain of salt- I get the concern (duelly about the inexperienced Oline we fielded and the lack of poise from the starting QB). The knee jerk reactions I think qualifies my previous statement about over reacting however.

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Tell me, what does that link do; besides further my point??

There is no way of looking at those preseason stats that proves your point.

Brady has played something like 16 snaps this preseason and isn't a guy who needs to prove he can play in the NFL. You're smarter than that and pointing out one or two flukey numbers doesn't change the larger picture.

My point with those QBR preseason stats is that like fifty other QBs have taken the field this preseason and just played respectably. I don't care if Mark Sanchez QBR is three points higher than Aaron Rodgers or not. The fact that for a second year in a row our starting QB looks like a complete disaster in the preseason is legitimate cause for concern.

I don't see how your point is more valid then mine and even vice versa. The whole fantasy of cherry picking stats is exactly why both of our points are valid..

I argued that Robert isnt the only starter to have not had the best performances thus far in these games that do not count... you show me a list where Sanchez is ranked higher then Rodgers- and Griffin higher then Brady.. and i can give you a dozen other reasons as to why that list isn't anything to invest a lot of stock in.

Conversely, i get that Robert has more to prove then a 3x Super bowl MVP- I've never contended that this wasn't a make or break year for him.. I merely pointed out that its to early to tell, and that the samples we have been given don't tell the whole story- yet. I never once said Griffins performance was anything other then what it was.. i have pointed out that the DROP makes the first game look entirely different then the stat line; as well as taking into account the shoddy oline we fielded vs DET and the probability of Robert already being concuss and loopy by the time "the play" happened. I understand that those can be attributed to excuses for Robert in his defense, however I never proclaimed that he played better then he did nor was he deserving of excuses. If bringing all the angles and facts to the table is a bad thing (like pointing out that the backups success was in turn vs... backups) then guilty i plead!

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

riggofan wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Tell me, what does that link do; besides further my point??

There is no way of looking at those preseason stats that proves your point.

Brady has played something like 16 snaps this preseason and isn't a guy who needs to prove he can play in the NFL. You're smarter than that and pointing out one or two flukey numbers doesn't change the larger picture.

My point with those QBR preseason stats is that like fifty other QBs have taken the field this preseason and just played respectably. I don't care if Mark Sanchez QBR is three points higher than Aaron Rodgers or not. The fact that for a second year in a row our starting QB looks like a complete disaster in the preseason is legitimate cause for concern.

I don't see how your point is more valid then mine and even vice versa. The whole fantasy of cherry picking stats is exactly why both of our points are valid..

I argued that Robert isnt the only starter to have not had the best performances thus far in these games that do not count... you show me a list where Sanchez is ranked higher then Rodgers- and Griffin higher then Brady.. and i can give you a dozen other reasons as to why that list isn't anything to invest a lot of stock in.

Conversely, i get that Robert has more to prove then a 3x Super bowl MVP- I've never contended that this wasn't a make or break year for him.. I merely pointed out that its to early to tell, and that the samples we have been given don't tell the whole story- yet. I never once said Griffins performance was anything other then what it was.. i have pointed out that the DROP makes the first game look entirely different then the stat line; as well as taking into account the shoddy oline we fielded vs DET and the probability of Robert already being concuss and loopy by the time "the play" happened. I understand that those can be attributed to excuses for Robert in his defense, however I never proclaimed that he played better then he did nor was he deserving of excuses. If bringing all the angles and facts to the table is a bad thing (like pointing out that the backups success was in turn vs... backups) then guilty i plead!

Sheeeesh, what a homer!

OldSchool wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Man I don't have the energy to beat around this tree.... Agaian.
Robert played like crap the since 2012- I've never said otherwise bro wtf u talkin bout?

You wannna hang your hat on a guy who looks good vs backups and future Wal-Mart greeters??? Who has no juevos and is a turn over machine??
No thanks.

Cousins? Kirk Grossman? One bad game?! You mean the guy who lead the league in turnovers until his benching, despite playing over a game LESS then any other qb?!?
Seems that finger you point at me for things you equally mirror- just in someone else's corner. Gtfoh with your Bs bro

Cousins has had 9 starts whereas Griffin has had 36. Cousins knows how to run a WCO fast enough and Griffin doesn't. I don't think any reasonable observer can dispute these points. The large question is can Cousins reduce his INTs to an acceptable level and close games stronger so he can become a long term starter. No knows at this point.

Cousins critics like you might be right he could still be firing a lot of picks like Grossman after 70 or 80 starts but there is also the possibility that Cousins turns is 1 TD to 1 INT ratio into 1.35 TDs to 1 INT and if he can do that long term it would rank him in the all time top 50. A 30% reduction in INTS would make all the difference. Can he do that? I think he could and want us to find out in DC not see him do it at some other franchise.

http://www.footballdb.com/leaders/career-passing-tdintratio

It goes both ways man.. Griffin has reason for upside (plenty of RECORD SETTING PERFORMANCES) just like Kirk does. I think Kirks Gusto, Bravado, Mojo, Balls, go-nads, IT, is his problem- and i don't think he can do anything to ever fix that. Where as i see Robert as shell shocked who just needs a fraction longer to get a rhythm, which after some success will in turn slow the game down for him. No one knows which of those assessments are accurate, including yourself and MarkShark.

Just like you have facts and opinion to justify your case for the other guy(s).. so do I. there is no right or wrong answer, and most of the backlash yall throw my way, is for things you resemble just in favor of a different qb.
HAIL

markshark84 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Man I don't have the energy to beat around this tree.... Agaian.
Robert played like crap the since 2012- I've never said otherwise bro wtf u talkin bout?

You wannna hang your hat on a guy who looks good vs backups and future Wal-Mart greeters??? Who has no juevos and is a turn over machine??
No thanks.

Cousins? Kirk Grossman? One bad game?! You mean the guy who lead the league in turnovers until his benching, despite playing over a game LESS then any other qb?!?
Seems that finger you point at me for things you equally mirror- just in someone else's corner. Gtfoh with your Bs bro

Again, come on. You've never said otherwise...... This is the second time in this thread you have stated falsehoods about what you have or have not said regarding RGIII (the first being you weren't subjective, which you have admitted to previously). You have to start remembering what you say....

Doode.. get off deez nutz already! How many times do we need to do this dance? Here- just like you are "objective" BUT in favor of Kirk, as am I but in favor of Griff. I see the same ish you do. The good the bad and the ugly from all three qbs. Kirk killing it vs Phili.. then killing our chances of winning in the same stroke. Griff playing mediocre at best when he returned; ironically beating that same team Kirk failed to. Colt getting the W vs the enemy; despite throwing a costly INT in our endzone.

markshark84 wrote:
I recall some pretty heavy back and forths with you about RGIII's play in BOTH 2013 and 2014. In that you said he was playing well BUT for excuse #1, excuse #2, excuse #3, etc. we were't winning. Dude, you said you don't want to go thru this again above, but the only reason we went thru this initially was BECAUSE you said RGIII was playing WELL!!!

Don't try to put words into my mouth. I never tried to paint a picture of 2013/14 of anything other then what it was.. if countering comments of Griffin being the worst QB ever with facts about him looking off receivers and making progressions (after someone said he could do neither no doubt) is considered saying he played better then he did, then I'm sorry you took it that way.

markshark84 wrote:And I'd honestly rather take a guy that looks pretty unreal against 2nd stringers than a guy that looks like an undrafted rookie QB that has no idea what the F&*$ he is doing against a combination of 1st and 2nd stringers getting sacked every other down as he did in the prior year.....

And the only reason I don't think a change should be made now is to put this entire thing to rest. Give RGIII 5-8 games (depeding on play) to show everyone what we all already know --- he can no longer play at this level by replicating what he did in 2013 and 2014. Then once that has been established, give Cousins the keys for the rest of the year irrespective of play. Allow him to make mistakes and not get benched for the rest of the year.

So whats the difference between Kirk looking good vs bums and Robert looking good at practice?
Ok. but don't try to feed me this give the keys to Kirk bit, like he was never given the keys before... like he didn't get the keys and drive straight off a damn cliff last year.

markshark84 wrote:And WTF does Grossman have to do with this. They are completely different players. If you don't see that, you shouldn't be commenting on anything talent related. And Cousins threw INTs last year in bunches (3 in one game, 4 in another and 2 in his other 4). Great QBs have frequently had this EXACT issue earlier in their career --- gun slinger types (which is the type of QB you want since they put up points --- as long as they can qwell their INT issue). RGIIIs meanwhile as issues with: bad footwork, poor reads, slow analysis, sacked often, inability to protect the football, injury prone --- things QBs have historically had issues overcoming. Kirk has ONE major thing to fix ----- RGIII has nearly a half a dozen.

You dont see the connection? i thought it was pretty clever myself.. Kirk Grossman the Int machine version 2.0? It stems more from the good rex bad rex roller coaster, that Kirk ressembles. never know which one yer gonna get!

markshark84 wrote:Dude, you sit here an blast Cousins and say that RGIII is the superior QB ---- when literally everything in the past 2 years has said otherwise. I know you have hope for RGIII and believe it or not I do too, but you don't have to trash the other QBs in order to maintain your dwindling hope. I'd love for RGIII to come back and crush it, but the likelihood is slim to none. We have to start thinking about next steps in case RGIII maintains his 2013-2014 form.

See.. this is where you lose some credibility... when you admittedly: "...haven't watched any of the preseason stuff, but I continue to believe our DB situation is the weakest on the team." How can you tell ME about how anyone has been doing thus far? I have a thread pertaining SOLELY to Training Camp, and have spent countless hours (much more time then i should have) reading about every single days notes. You will be hard pressed to find consecutive days in which Kirk out shined RGiii- vs our backups nonetheless. Colt and Kirk have thrown a ton of pics to our young DBs, where Robert has shown marked improvement gaining the praise of not just the beat reporters or the coaches (whom may still be under Snyders thumb) but players from not just our own squad but the visiting teams as well. So, and maybe to your surprise, my holding on to hope is warranted.. not just the echoing chant for the back up that seems to surge through DC every time we lose a game.

One thing I think we can all agree on however, is who ever gets the nod this season behind center- PLEASE give us something to cheer about... thanks.

Hail