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SkinsJock wrote:Yes! that post makes it sound like Russell feels that way this year

oh boy.

I clearly missed the part of the story where Chris Russell reports on his personal feelings.

On the radio again last Friday, Russell wanted to make clear he was standing by his reporting. “At least one person continues to tell me that Jay is still in no way, shape or form a fan, a supporter, a believer, a truster in Robert Griffin III,” he told The Junkies.

Riggo, I also understood this quote to mean that Russell was sticking by his earlier report about last year AND stating affirmatively that one person told him that Jay STILL in no way, shape or form. . . This was the only part I took issue with, as I agree with you that the report from last year at least plausibly fits with what we saw and heard, though I'm not sure I buy it, it is plausible. The part about Jay still feeling this way is not really plausible compared with what he's said publicly.

emoses14 wrote:

On the radio again last Friday, Russell wanted to make clear he was standing by his reporting. “At least one person continues to tell me that Jay is still in no way, shape or form a fan, a supporter, a believer, a truster in Robert Griffin III,” he told The Junkies.

Riggo, I also understood this quote to mean that Russell was sticking by his earlier report about last year AND stating affirmatively that one person told him that Jay STILL in no way, shape or form. . . This was the only part I took issue with, as I agree with you that the report from last year at least plausibly fits with what we saw and heard, though I'm not sure I buy it, it is plausible. The part about Jay still feeling this way is not really plausible compared with what he's said publicly.

Gotcha, gotcha. Fair point to both you and SkinsJock.

no worries riggofan - this franchise has thoroughly earned the ridicule by the media on almost every front
all of this trashing and bashing will only go away with clear evidence that things are not the same here

to report that things are going well at Redskins' Park is not near as interesting or as plausible as reporting that things are still a mess and intrigue can be found everywhere - reporters with a positive look at this franchise will be taken to be out of touch with reality



if Griffin is not worth spending time and effort on, it will be very apparent to Scot and the coaching staff - they will move on and the rebuilding process will continue - we all just have to hope that Dan Snyder will let these guys manage things for a couple of years

clear evidence that Dan Snyder is not involved would be a huge plus no matter how many games we win

hopefully we see improvement from a defense that seemed to give up way too many yards and points

This is a win/win for Gruden...If RG plays well he looks like a genius. If he doesn't you can bet on it that this report will be brought up again. If Gruden really doesn't think RG can play in this league, it wouldn't suprise me (althought we will never know) to find out he was the "source" for this story. One thing I think Gruden despises it the thought that his job is tied to RG!!

you might be right DEHog but I think that was more the case last year than this ...

at this time Gruden's future here is solely depending on his showing Scot that he's the right man for the job here - Griffin will make it obvious that he can be a good QB - If he's not, Scot and his guys will find another QB as they continue to fix the mess that this franchise has become

If Dan Snyder's still in charge, nothing really matters anyway

Let's highlight some more upbeat thoughts on RGIII from today:

There was a cross-your-finger optimism about Griffin entering camp and after five days the coaches have been pleased about what he’s shown and the direction he’s headed. It’s far different than at this time a year ago when whispers started circulating about displeasure with Griffin.

His improvement this summer is a cumulative effort, as it should be: Griffin himself is executing well and has appeared more relaxed; the coaches have tweaked what they’re doing, and the presence of quarterbacks coach Matt Cavanaugh already is helping.

You’re starting to hear players say that Griffin is getting rid of the ball faster. It’s not surprising they’d say that publicly. But it’s exactly what you hear from multiple people in the organization when just talking casually.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... ly-in-camp

There is reason to be optimistic. He's not turning heads, but that's OK at this stage. Competent play would make this offense pretty decent.

SkinsJock wrote:you might be right DEHog but I think that was more the case last year than this ...

at this time Gruden's future here is solely depending on his showing Scot that he's the right man for the job here - Griffin will make it obvious that he can be a good QB - If he's not, Scot and his guys will find another QB as they continue to fix the mess that this franchise has become

If Dan Snyder's still in charge, nothing really matters anyway

Maybe, maybe not?? Shanahan was able to coach RG. I just think as long as RG comes out and plays well this story is a non-issue, but if things go south you will see this story again. It will be a much easier sell to the fan to fire this coach since Scot didn't hire him. I don't care who we think is in charge...Scot is here because 30K Cowboys fans were signing in our stadium!! That can't happen again...

as long as Dan Snyder stops meddling and these guys get to manage things, this franchise can get back to respectability again

from the first week of camp it seems there's a different attitude and there's real competition for a roster spot ...

This season, Gruden will get to show that he's the right guy for the job or he will be gone ... same for everybody else here


the NFL is made up of franchises with a whole bunch of BS reporting attached

this is a high profile franchise with one of the worst owners in the US sports world

Chris Russell reporting on RGIII today:

http://www.scout.com/nfl/redskins/story ... f-progress
Breaking Burgundy's Chris Russell looks at recent positive reviews for Robert Griffin III after weeks of anything but.

So much has been made of the criticism Griffin III has received from various national reporters and secret polls, but none of that really matters because it’s just opinion & sometimes nonsense.

So why the 180 from Russell all of a sudden? He reiterated that there was at least one person, currently on Gruden's staff, who continues to say Gruden doesn't believe in him and that it's just lip service. So now he's positive and saying be patient?!

StorminMormon86 wrote:So why the 180 from Russell all of a sudden? He reiterated that there was at least one person, currently on Gruden's staff, who continues to say Gruden doesn't believe in him and that it's just lip service. So now he's positive and saying be patient?!

Russell is a REPORTER. He's REPORTING what other people tell him. Not what his personal opinion is.

Good grief.

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:So why the 180 from Russell all of a sudden? He reiterated that there was at least one person, currently on Gruden's staff, who continues to say Gruden doesn't believe in him and that it's just lip service. So now he's positive and saying be patient?!

Russell is a REPORTER. He's REPORTING what other people tell him. Not what his personal opinion is.

Good grief.

Relax.

He's not a REPORTER currently employed at this moment. So for him to go on 106.7 curiously after his contract with 980 wasn't renewed, and spout this negative stuff reeks of an agenda. And I find it odd that days later, he's basically telling people to not take much stock in what he reported earlier. It makes no sense. Why even go on 106.7 at all and give that information out?

Chris Russell works as a reporter for 106.7 the fan. Even after he left 980:

Russell will continue covering the team for Ted Leonsis' sports news-oriented Monumental Network website while he explores his future local sports radio options, which, some believe, could include a return to WJFK.

http://www.pressboxdc.com/2015/07/09/gr ... m-espn-980

Of course, no negative news about the Redskins is ever true. Its always local media guys with an agenda out to get the team...

riggofan wrote::puke:

Chris Russell works as a reporter for 106.7 the fan. Even after he left 980:

Russell will continue covering the team for Ted Leonsis' sports news-oriented Monumental Network website while he explores his future local sports radio options, which, some believe, could include a return to WJFK.

http://www.pressboxdc.com/2015/07/09/gr ... m-espn-980

Of course, no negative news about the Redskins is ever true. Its always local media guys with an agenda out to get the team...

You are totally missing my point. Russell was reporting what he heard on 106.7, without the warning he gave in that article he wrote: don't believe every negative report you read, it could mean absolutely nothing. He was selling it like some "groundbreaking" report about Gruden/Griffin's relationship.

cannot wait for Griffin to show that he's worth working with & helping him be the QB this franchise will need when we get things back on track

I think that if Cousins or McCoy were showing anything (even slightly encouraging) they would be getting some praise

I'm not expecting a whole lot but it would be great if we could start to build an offense and a defense around this kid

especially after all the negative outlooks and predictions we've heard

StorminMormon86 wrote:You are totally missing my point. Russell was reporting what he heard on 106.7, without the warning he gave in that article he wrote: don't believe every negative report you read, it could mean absolutely nothing. He was selling it like some "groundbreaking" report about Gruden/Griffin's relationship.

I'm not missing your point. Its just not a very good point.

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:You are totally missing my point. Russell was reporting what he heard on 106.7, without the warning he gave in that article he wrote: don't believe every negative report you read, it could mean absolutely nothing. He was selling it like some "groundbreaking" report about Gruden/Griffin's relationship.

I'm not missing your point. Its just not a very good point.

I've often wondered what Chris Russell does in his spare time...now I know!

SkinsJock wrote:cannot wait for Griffin to show that he's worth working with & helping him be the QB this franchise will need when we get things back on track

I think that if Cousins or McCoy were showing anything (even slightly encouraging) they would be getting some praise

I'm not expecting a whole lot but it would be great if we could start to build an offense and a defense around this kid

especially after all the negative outlooks and predictions we've heard

What's ironic is that Griffin is not getting universal praise, and somehow because Cousins and McCoy aren't either, this is a good thing!? I want ONE of the three to take the job and run with it, and the fact that there seems to be a 'meh' feeling about all 3 is not indicative of something to be excited about.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:cannot wait for Griffin to show that he's worth working with & helping him be the QB this franchise will need when we get things back on track

I think that if Cousins or McCoy were showing anything (even slightly encouraging) they would be getting some praise

I'm not expecting a whole lot but it would be great if we could start to build an offense and a defense around this kid

especially after all the negative outlooks and predictions we've heard

What's ironic is that Griffin is not getting universal praise, and somehow because Cousins and McCoy aren't either, this is a good thing!? I want ONE of the three to take the job and run with it, and the fact that there seems to be a 'meh' feeling about all 3 is not indicative of something to be excited about.

Griffin isn't going to get universal praise until well after he re-establishes himself as the franchise QB in DC and probably not until after he wins a superbowl. Goes with the territory, no big deal. The irony of your comment is that the control Griffin has taken already COMBINED with the inability of Cousins or McCoy to do so, means that Griffin has taken the job and run with it. There is a lot of room between doing that and being Tom Brady, the fact that Griffin isn't the latter doesn't mean he also isn't the former. The 'meh' you're describing (to me) signifies that the gains exhibited in practices in August doesn't mean wins in October until it does, and no wants to make that call (understandably) until he does it in games with live bullets flying.

emoses14 wrote:Griffin isn't going to get universal praise until well after he re-establishes himself as the franchise QB in DC and probably not until after he wins a superbowl. Goes with the territory, no big deal. The irony of your comment is that the control Griffin has taken already COMBINED with the inability of Cousins or McCoy to do so, means that Griffin has taken the job and run with it. There is a lot of room between doing that and being Tom Brady, the fact that Griffin isn't the latter doesn't mean he also isn't the former. The 'meh' you're describing (to me) signifies that the gains exhibited in practices in August doesn't mean wins in October until it does, and no wants to make that call (understandably) until he does it in games with live bullets flying.

You honestly think that McCoy or Cousins had a legitimate shot to dethrone Griffin as the starter during training camp? When it was all but said by Gruden, McCloughan, and Allen that Griffin would remain the starter going into this year, would take all the first team reps, etc. There was no competition. The only competition at QB is to see who is going to be the backup. But then again, you can't put much stock in the training camp reports anyway. I'm just anxious to see how we do tomorrow. And I hope Griffin gets extended playing time.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

emoses14 wrote:Griffin isn't going to get universal praise until well after he re-establishes himself as the franchise QB in DC and probably not until after he wins a superbowl. Goes with the territory, no big deal. The irony of your comment is that the control Griffin has taken already COMBINED with the inability of Cousins or McCoy to do so, means that Griffin has taken the job and run with it. There is a lot of room between doing that and being Tom Brady, the fact that Griffin isn't the latter doesn't mean he also isn't the former. The 'meh' you're describing (to me) signifies that the gains exhibited in practices in August doesn't mean wins in October until it does, and no wants to make that call (understandably) until he does it in games with live bullets flying.

You honestly think that McCoy or Cousins had a legitimate shot to dethrone Griffin as the starter during training camp? When it was all but said by Gruden, McCloughan, and Allen that Griffin would remain the starter going into this year, would take all the first team reps, etc. There was no competition. The only competition at QB is to see who is going to be the backup. But then again, you can't put much stock in the training camp reports anyway. I'm just anxious to see how we do tomorrow. And I hope Griffin gets extended playing time.

No, I honestly don't think they had a legitimate shot to dethrone Griffin because I honestly don't think either one of them is nearly good enough to do so. I think the only people who don't realize this are anti-Griffin people. Clearly the coaches and Scot McCloughan realize this, thus the reason for no competition. There was no competition to be had. Pee Wee football players can't compete with varsity lettermen. For the record, again, I really like Kirk and continue to hope/wish we could keep him for the long term as the back up, because I think he is an EXCELLENT back up.

You and I agree on the usefulness of training camp reports. I too am anxious to see the team tomorrow and Griffin and the O starters should be in for at least a quarter according to reports. But, I have found some (Keim in particular) to be helpful because the things he chooses to harp on/detail in his reports are the kind of things that translate into performance on the field, more often than not. For instance, he won't really get into how the safeties look until there is a full scrimmage or game with hitting because you can't judge a safety who isn't allowed to fly to the ball and hit. He was the one who rightfully pointed out first last year that Griffin didn't look great or comfortable, etc. in the new offense. So I do put stock into what he has to say because I find him to be honest without adding the kind of biased spin that I've seen from a Jason Reid type. Its not that Jason's reporting is wrong or dishonest (per se), it's that it has a specific bent, if not bias, to it that is awesome if you're anti-redskins or anti-griffin or anti- whatever he's also anti-, otherwise, it's annoying. Also, in the absence of anything else, training camp and reports from it are all we've got thus far. And we couldn't very well just not talk about the redskins until the first preseason game.

StorminMormon86 wrote:You honestly think that McCoy or Cousins had a legitimate shot to dethrone Griffin as the starter during training camp?

I do. Let's deal with facts:

- Gruden has already established that he's not afraid to bench Griffin.
- Last year neither Cousins or McCoy made a definitive case that they should be the starter.
- Reports from early offseason workouts were saying that Griffin was showing improvement.
- In reports from training camp, word is that Griffin has been playing better than he has in years past, in terms of fundamentals and mechanics.
- The numbers we are getting from camp (complete/incomplete passes, touchdowns, interceptions) all favor Griffin. Cousins and McCoy have had more reported "bad" days and stories of interceptions.

We should ask ourselves, if the last three bullet points weren't true, and if Cousins or McCoy was lighting it up during camp, do we really think Griffin would still be taking 1st team reps? I personally think no. Had Griffin come into camp and flopped, his starting tenure in DC might be over for good.

When it was all but said by Gruden, McCloughan, and Allen that Griffin would remain the starter going into this year, would take all the first team reps, etc. There was no competition. The only competition at QB is to see who is going to be the backup.

There was no open competition in the sense that all three QBs were seen as equally likely candidates to start. But that's a lot different than saying Griffin was going to be #1 on the depth chart no matter what. He did not have that luxury going into camp, and could even still lose his place if he has a terrible preseason and one of his backups looks awesome.