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DEHog wrote:I find the hate for Shanahan so ironic…Wasn’t he the HC during the 2012 season? People are so quick to give RG the credit and use it as an example of how good he can be. Mike doesn’t get nearly the credit he should for that season! As for the interview if you juxtapose his words with what happen ON the field I think he’s pretty believable. Why would he want to go away from the success they had on the field in 2012? He was pretty adamant that it was going to take years for RG to become a guy who can play from the pocket…how’s that working out?? As for the off the field stuff he said Snyder isn’t involved with the on field stuff as much as people think, his problem with Snyder was that he empowered some of the players…again when you juxtapose that with what happened on the field it’s hard to argue that wasn’t the case??

I give Kyle more credit than Mike for 2012. Don't you remember Mike giving up on the team, a la his evaluating for next season speach, during the bye week? But, as for the other stuff I'd tend to agree with you. I will add that I've read many times that Mike is known for his offenses (particularly the run game) but for some reason he wants to be more involved in the defensive schemes. Not saying that Haslett was a good DC in any way, but I'm convinced Mike was always more involved with the D while letting Kyle run the O.

Deadskins wrote:

DEHog wrote:I find the hate for Shanahan so ironic…Wasn’t he the HC during the 2012 season? People are so quick to give RG the credit and use it as an example of how good he can be. Mike doesn’t get nearly the credit he should for that season! As for the interview if you juxtapose his words with what happen ON the field I think he’s pretty believable. Why would he want to go away from the success they had on the field in 2012? He was pretty adamant that it was going to take years for RG to become a guy who can play from the pocket…how’s that working out?? As for the off the field stuff he said Snyder isn’t involved with the on field stuff as much as people think, his problem with Snyder was that he empowered some of the players…again when you juxtapose that with what happened on the field it’s hard to argue that wasn’t the case??

I give Kyle more credit than Mike for 2012. Don't you remember Mike giving up on the team, a la his evaluating for next season speach, during the bye week? But, as for the other stuff I'd tend to agree with you. I will add that I've read many times that Mike is known for his offenses (particularly the run game) but for some reason he wants to be more involved in the defensive schemes. Not saying that Haslett was a good DC in any way, but I'm sure Mike was always more involved with the D while letting Kyle run the O.

Well you know the ole saying if your going to give him the blame you have to give him the credit...he did coach the rest of the season...and one could argue that statement motivated the team??

Yes one could argue that statement motivated the team. One could also say that his intention was to actually throw in the towel. Remember the rumors of cleaning out his office that Mike confirmed? London took serious offense to it. Yes it motivated them.

Kilmer72 wrote:Yes one could argue that statement motivated the team. One could also say that his intention was to actually throw in the towel. Remember the rumors of cleaning out his office that Mike confirmed? London took serious offense to it. Yes it motivated them.

If you're talking about him quitting he actually denied it Wed in his interview??

DEHog wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Yes one could argue that statement motivated the team. One could also say that his intention was to actually throw in the towel. Remember the rumors of cleaning out his office that Mike confirmed? London took serious offense to it. Yes it motivated them.

If you're talking about him quitting he actually denied it Wed in his interview??

He didn't in his presser at the end of the year. This is why it is so hard to believe anything he says.

Deadskins wrote:

DEHog wrote:I find the hate for Shanahan so ironic…Wasn’t he the HC during the 2012 season? People are so quick to give RG the credit and use it as an example of how good he can be. Mike doesn’t get nearly the credit he should for that season! As for the interview if you juxtapose his words with what happen ON the field I think he’s pretty believable. Why would he want to go away from the success they had on the field in 2012? He was pretty adamant that it was going to take years for RG to become a guy who can play from the pocket…how’s that working out?? As for the off the field stuff he said Snyder isn’t involved with the on field stuff as much as people think, his problem with Snyder was that he empowered some of the players…again when you juxtapose that with what happened on the field it’s hard to argue that wasn’t the case??

I give Kyle more credit than Mike for 2012. Don't you remember Mike giving up on the team, a la his evaluating for next season speach, during the bye week? But, as for the other stuff I'd tend to agree with you. I will add that I've read many times that Mike is known for his offenses (particularly the run game) but for some reason he wants to be more involved in the defensive schemes. Not saying that Haslett was a good DC in any way, but I'm convinced Mike was always more involved with the D while letting Kyle run the O.

Of all the coaches that were let go.... I wish there was a way to have kept Kyle.

Kilmer72 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Yes one could argue that statement motivated the team. One could also say that his intention was to actually throw in the towel. Remember the rumors of cleaning out his office that Mike confirmed? London took serious offense to it. Yes it motivated them.

If you're talking about him quitting he actually denied it Wed in his interview??

He didn't in his presser at the end of the year. This is why it is so hard to believe anything he says.

While I believe its hard to believe him (or anybody) I don't remember him confirming it...

Ok maybe confirm isn't the right word. How about when confronted with the question he didn't deny it.

Kilmer72 wrote:Ok maybe confirm isn't the right word. How about when confronted with the question he didn't deny it.

OK if you believe that do you believe the reason?

DEHog wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Ok maybe confirm isn't the right word. How about when confronted with the question he didn't deny it.

OK if you believe that do you believe the reason?

If the reason was to motivate the team to winning out then no. I believe he was sick and tired and quit. I guess it is just me. I do give him credit for all the good things he did. I think Mike is an excellent coach. I also think he has quite a few flaws. So, IMO he deserves credit as well as the blame.

Kilmer72 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Ok maybe confirm isn't the right word. How about when confronted with the question he didn't deny it.

OK if you believe that do you believe the reason?

If the reason was to motivate the team to winning out then no. I believe he was sick and tired and quit. I guess it is just me. I do give him credit for all the good things he did. I think Mike is an excellent coach. I also think he has quite a few flaws. So, IMO he deserves credit as well as the blame.

Yea I agree...the rumor was he didn't agree with Snyder's empowerment of RG?? I think its a pretty big statement that he was willing to walk after winning the NFC East...In hindsight he probably wishes he did because he'd still be coaching IMO. Washington has a knack of turning good coaches into bumbling idiots...

No he was willing to walk before winning the NFC East not after. After that (7 game win streak) he said he wanted to stick around because he didn't want to quit after Robert got hurt.

DEHog wrote:Yea I agree...the rumor was he didn't agree with Snyder's empowerment of RG?? I think its a pretty big statement that he was willing to walk after winning the NFC East...In hindsight he probably wishes he did because he'd still be coaching IMO. DAN SNYDER has a knack of turning good coaches into bumbling idiots...

Agree with this, with the exception of the EDITED portion.

That is why we will never get another top coach or executive as long as Danny boy is here that isn't flawed/damaged in some way. If I were a true up and coming coordinator or front office executive, there is absolutely no way I would come to an organization like Washington and Dan Snyder. The only way I'd come here is if I were in my twilight looking for my last HUGE payout, hoping to find lighting in a bottle for a season or 2 before I took off, or I literally had no better options. Outside of JACK, CLE, and maybe OAK, I would go anywhere else..... and that is arguable. Definetely would pick DC over CLE though.

Danny boy has a CONSISTENT history --- spanning nearly 2 F-ing decades -- of running thru/ruining coaches. The only coach whose reputation didn't take a hit for his time in DC was Gibbs. And he knew to get out. He just did it with class. NFL coaches aren't stupid. They see the history under Snyder and -- like Fangio --- pass on the "opportunity" to coach in DC....

As far as GMs, we apparentely have our first "real" GM. After the RGIII annoiting, I am beginning to have my doubts......

Kilmer72 wrote:No he was willing to walk before winning the NFC East not after. After that (7 game win streak) he said he wanted to stick around because he didn't want to quit after Robert got hurt.

Yea I've heard both...

markshark84 wrote:

DEHog wrote:Yea I agree...the rumor was he didn't agree with Snyder's empowerment of RG?? I think its a pretty big statement that he was willing to walk after winning the NFC East...In hindsight he probably wishes he did because he'd still be coaching IMO. DAN SNYDER has a knack of turning good coaches into bumbling idiots...

Agree with this, with the exception of the EDITED portion.

LOL...kind of thought that was implied!

markshark84 wrote:

DEHog wrote:Yea I agree...the rumor was he didn't agree with Snyder's empowerment of RG?? I think its a pretty big statement that he was willing to walk after winning the NFC East...In hindsight he probably wishes he did because he'd still be coaching IMO. DAN SNYDER has a knack of turning good coaches into bumbling idiots...

Agree with this, with the exception of the EDITED portion.

That is why we will never get another top coach or executive as long as Danny boy is here that isn't flawed/damaged in some way. If I were a true up and coming coordinator or front office executive, there is absolutely no way I would come to an organization like Washington and Dan Snyder. The only way I'd come here is if I were in my twilight looking for my last HUGE payout, hoping to find lighting in a bottle for a season or 2 before I took off, or I literally had no better options. Outside of JACK, CLE, and maybe OAK, I would go anywhere else..... and that is arguable. Definetely would pick DC over CLE though.

Danny boy has a CONSISTENT history --- spanning nearly 2 F-ing decades -- of running thru/ruining coaches. The only coach whose reputation didn't take a hit for his time in DC was Gibbs. And he knew to get out. He just did it with class. NFL coaches aren't stupid. They see the history under Snyder and -- like Fangio --- pass on the "opportunity" to coach in DC....

As far as GMs, we apparentely have our first "real" GM. After the RGIII annoiting, I am beginning to have my doubts......

This is the amazing part of Joe. He did wonders with that front office. You are right. He had class and that is something that Mike did not and still doesn't have. Did anyone hear Joe say - I failed to win because Dan did this and that? He isn't a back stabbing lying whiner. He is the best of the best. If there was a way to get him in the hall twice he would be there just for dealing with what he had to and getting to the playoffs with less talent on offense. Joe always knew to surround himself with people that knew how to coach. I can't say that about Mike.

Deadskins wrote:I give Kyle more credit than Mike for 2012. Don't you remember Mike giving up on the team, a la his evaluating for next season speach, during the bye week?

That's funny, but I kind of agree with both of you guys on that. Up until the winning streak, we had some bad losses that season. I always had the sense that the team kind of went on that run in spite of Mike. lol. I give the credit mostly to the players. Grffin, obviously. Morris, immensely. Cousins had two big wins in that run. Garcon. I'm sure there were others I can't remember now.

I understand both sides of this.

Im sure Shanahan did some embellishing and left out some key things to save face, but I would think that a large portion of each segment of that interview are true.

Also unlike most people I dont blame him for coming out if most of that is true. You join an organizatiom to fix it and are told you have full control of the roster, then you have the owner and gm go against that AND pin your star QB against you. I would want the world to know too.

What he did though was give us a confirmed and not anonymous source for what we have all known these last few years. Snyder calls the shots, bruce is his puppet, and robert is talented but lets his ego get in his way. Pretty much sum it up?

Prowl33 wrote:I understand both sides of this.

Im sure Shanahan did some embellishing and left out some key things to save face, but I would think that a large portion of each segment of that interview are true.

Also unlike most people I dont blame him for coming out if most of that is true. You join an organizatiom to fix it and are told you have full control of the roster, then you have the owner and gm go against that AND pin your star QB against you. I would want the world to know too.

What he did though was give us a confirmed and not anonymous source for what we have all known these last few years. Snyder calls the shots, bruce is his puppet, and robert is talented but lets his ego get in his way. Pretty much sum it up?

yes I agree but Mike in the past working for Oakland, did what he wanted despite what the owner wanted. If I had control and I thought it was best to go that route, I would have done the same. If he had control like he said he did then why not? He would still get paid right?

Kilmer72 wrote:

Prowl33 wrote:I understand both sides of this.

Im sure Shanahan did some embellishing and left out some key things to save face, but I would think that a large portion of each segment of that interview are true.

Also unlike most people I dont blame him for coming out if most of that is true. You join an organizatiom to fix it and are told you have full control of the roster, then you have the owner and gm go against that AND pin your star QB against you. I would want the world to know too.

What he did though was give us a confirmed and not anonymous source for what we have all known these last few years. Snyder calls the shots, bruce is his puppet, and robert is talented but lets his ego get in his way. Pretty much sum it up?

yes I agree but Mike in the past working for Oakland, did what he wanted despite what the owner wanted. If I had control and I thought it was best to go that route, I would have done the same. If he had control like he said he did then why not? He would still get paid right?

Just finished listening to the interview. Based off mikes words he never thought Robert wasnt the best player, so he started him because he wanted to.

He didnt say he was against the Robert trade to the Rams, but he told them if they wanna do it this is how we have to proceed and he elaborated on some details.

He said he would not have done the trade if they had known about the salary cap penalty, but the trade was finalized before so there was no going back.

He said he didnt think McNabb was worth the money they were going to pay him, not that he said no to McNabb, they wanted Bulger, they couldnt get him, McNabb was the next option.

The only thing he really caved on by his account is Robert dictating the playbook in a manor he shouldn't have. At the end of the day its a decision do I make an example of my star QB who is backed by the owner and fans and either bench him, or force him to do plays he doesnt wanna do that he is seemingly not giving 100% on and then go down that road of inevitable drama, or let him influence the play calling like the owner wants him to and prove a point that he cant do it yet.

If you listen to the interview in its entirety without bias you can really take a lot away from it... and even changes your opinion about robert, in my case it actually improved my opinion on robert as a player, but confirmed things iveve thought of him in regards to his ego.

The problem is that the interview with this snake is being used to bolster our confirmation bias about a weasel (Snyder) and a guy who is not as widely beloved as he was 3 years ago. And since the snake lacked enough charm to accept given 1% of the blame for 4 years of issues or losing or sensational crisp, I'm not inclined to give him any credence. And since the one guy at the post who does still have some credibility seems to take major exception with the "revealing, truth telling, inside look (according to mike shanahan)" for much the same reason, I'm inclined to take this with an entire shaker of salt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... -redskins/

Seems teams were on to the ol read option year two anyhow... and robert was getting clobbered. Wouldnt a good coach want to make a change, and not have let it get to the point that the qb asks to let him throw the ball?

Hes a rat. Snyders a rat.. who cares? Theres bits of truth im sure but I wont buy into anything he has to say. He was run out of Denver for similar rat-ery and we all know what we have in Snyder.

Roberts ego may be his downfall... or it may be his saving grace. A lot of players having hit the ups and downs- and downward drama spirals would cave in despair. I hope he talks less and walks the walk more.

Like every off season hope for better is upon us- wtf cares about old dinosaurs like Mike?? I guess those that listened to his save face speech? Apparently he didnt swoon any GMs with his gibberish and is still in the retirement home!

Didn't hear the interview, didn't read about it and read none of the posts in this thread. Was going to ignore this thread but wanted to give my opinion!!!

When someone pays you north of $30 mil over 5 years you need to swallow your gripes and shut the up. Why give Shanahan any press??? No class.

I'm so sick of f'ing drama with this team, I didn't need more. Hoping that we can move on and begin to play good football and produce less embarrassing news!!! Quality GM finally, more experienced coaches and a better Roster.

I was a skins fan when we won 3 Super Bowls AND had no drama. Let's get back to those days.