And the Redskins trade the 5th pick to...

[SkinsJock]

from what I hear Ray Farmer was really pissed about things and texted such to the sidelines - what an idiot

FWIW - I'd love to trade out of that pick too but I don't think it's going to happen ... unless Mariota falls ...

[riggofan]

from what I hear Ray Farmer was really pissed about things and texted such to the sidelines - what an idiot

FWIW - I'd love to trade out of that pick too but I don't think it's going to happen ... unless Mariota falls ...

I think the Redskins would like to trade for more picks too, but you have to have a trade partner.

Its not all about Mariota though. There were FIVE trades in the first round last year. Bills traded to get a WR at #4, Browns traded up to get a CB at #8, Saints traded up for a WR at 20, Browns traded up for Manziel at 22, Vikings traded up for Bridgewater at 32.

[Prowl33]

Its no secret that the browns want Mariota at this point, and a vast majority of mocks have him going to the Jets at 6. Us picking right before them at 5 makes us the best value trade partner.

So IF he does fall to 5, bet that Scots ears will be open. he will know what he wants from them to give up getting the top player on his board, and if they offer that or better then the trade will happen.

I think its less of an IF Mariota falls, but more of what value does Scot have on the player he has in mind, and are the browns willing to pay, or is philly willing to pay.

[SkinsJock]

you're right riggofan - we need to try and pick up as many picks as possible - even if they trade out of the first round, it's still OK

the remaking of this roster is going to take more than 2 good drafts - getting 3 top players in the next 3 drafts is not getting it done

hopefully these guys can find 12 starters in the next 3 drafts - that would be awesome

[Countertrey]

Its no secret that the browns want Mariota at this point, and a vast majority of mocks have him going to the Jets at 6. Us picking right before them at 5 makes us the best value trade partner.

So IF he does fall to 5, bet that Scots ears will be open. he will know what he wants from them to give up getting the top player on his board, and if they offer that or better then the trade will happen.

I think its less of an IF Mariota falls, but more of what value does Scot have on the player he has in mind, and are the browns willing to pay, or is philly willing to pay.

The Jets know this, too... and may look to trade themselves... this could be a very busy top 10 picks.

[Bishop Hammer]

I'd like to know why Cle gets 2 first round picks every year?

[riggofan]

I'd like to know why Cle gets 2 first round picks every year?

I think last year's extra was for trading Trent Richardson to the Colts, yeah?

[Prowl33]

I'd like to know why Cle gets 2 first round picks every year?

I think last year's extra was for trading Trent Richardson to the Colts, yeah?

No that was last year wasnt it. This years extra pick they got is from the bills.

[riggofan]

I'd like to know why Cle gets 2 first round picks every year?

I think last year's extra was for trading Trent Richardson to the Colts, yeah?

No that was last year wasnt it. This years extra pick they got is from the bills.

Uh that's what I wrote. "last year's extra was for trading Trent Richardson to the Colt".

Think you're right about the extra pick this year though. Bills gave it to them to move up for Sammy Watkins.

[Skins Fan in Indy]

If Williams isnt there at #5. I would trade down and shoot for Collins and the top OL on the board. I think Williams is the guy to get if he slides down to #5.

[SkinsJock]

If Williams isnt there at #5. I would trade down and shoot for Collins and the top OL on the board. I think Williams is the guy to get if he slides down to #5.

You make it sound like it's no big deal trading out of this pick after we are on the clock and Williams is not there

Williams would be great but if we can trade out of this pick and we later find out Williams would have been available it's still better to add as many picks as possible - I could care less if we don't have a first round pick as long as we have a lot of picks in the top 100

[Skins Fan in Indy]

I would have no problem with them trading out at #5 to get 2 solid picks in the first round but if Williams is there it is a no brainer you take him. I think Williams would be a staple in the the defense for years to come and make a major impact his rookie year.

[riggofan]

Williams would be great but if we can trade out of this pick and we later find out Williams would have been available it's still better to add as many picks as possible - I could care less if we don't have a first round pick as long as we have a lot of picks in the top 100

Well we should be able to trade down without trading ourselves completely out of the first round! Anybody who wants to move up is going to have give us their first round pick to do it.

We haven't had a first round pick in the past two drafts. Hopefully SM will add the kind of impact player we sorely need.

[Prowl33]

Also it wouldnt hurt to make some kinda trades into next year too. You typically get 1 round higher value right?

[PulpExposure]

I would have no problem with them trading out at #5 to get 2 solid picks in the first round but if Williams is there it is a no brainer you take him. I think Williams would be a staple in the the defense for years to come and make a major impact his rookie year.

I also like Shane Ray. Guy is relentless.

[DarthMonk]

I would have no problem with them trading out at #5 to get 2 solid picks in the first round but if Williams is there it is a no brainer you take him. I think Williams would be a staple in the the defense for years to come and make a major impact his rookie year.

I think there is a decent chance Williams is #1 on SM's big board. If so, and if Williams is there at #5, there is almost no chance we trade the pick.

[SkinsJock]

Guys - I have no worries about Scot getting a really great player at 5 ... and I have no problem with him trading the pick

I am only pointing out that we should trade the pick if we can and I'm not worried about what we get in return if Scot and his guys are in charge here ... I'll say it again - IF Scot and his guys are in charge of making the picks with Jay's input of course, it makes little difference to me if we have a first round pick or not - these guys will get a huge boatload of picks if they trade down a few times and they will do much better with them than the guys that used to decide which players to bring in

I'll say it again - I have a lot of faith in Scot and his FO/scouting group and I'm sure they will find some impact players in this draft - they could even do better and find a lot more impact players in this draft and the 2016 draft if they have more picks

see ... that was relatively straight-forward

the question remains though ... do you get better value for that 5 spot if you wait until we're on the clock

[SkinsJock]

Guys - I have no worries about Scot getting a really great player at 5 ... and I have no problem with him trading the pick

I am only pointing out that we should trade the pick if we can and I'm not worried about what we get in return if Scot and his guys are in charge here ... I'll say it again - IF Scot and his guys are in charge of making the picks with Jay's input of course, it makes little difference to me if we have a first round pick or not - these guys will get a huge boatload of picks if they trade down a few times and they will do much better with them than the guys that used to decide which players to bring in

I'll say it again - I have a lot of faith in Scot and his FO/scouting group and I'm sure they will find some impact players in this draft - they could even do better and find a lot more impact players in this draft and the 2016 draft if they have more picks

see ... that was relatively straight-forward

the question remains though ... do you get better value for that 5 spot if you wait until we're on the clock

it's the old bull and the young bull 'story' - the young bull says "let's go through the fence and nail a couple of those cows ..." or "let's get a really great impact player at the 5 spot ..." and the old bull says "why don't we go through the gate and take our time nailing the whole herd ..." or "why not trade out of that spot and find a way to add a whole bunch of players in these next 2 drafts ..."

[SkinsJock]

and 1 more thing .... it seems that everyone (media hype) wants that college pass rusher ...

then the reality is they're not as ready for the NFL as the media would have you believe

this from Pat Kirwan ... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat ... ss-rushers

Williams may prove to be a force but what if Brandon Scherff is going to be a great OT for years as it would appear

then we'd only need 3 more O linemen in the next 2 drafts to have a decent O line in 2017

[DarthMonk]

Guys - I have no worries about Scot getting a really great player at 5 ... and I have no problem with him trading the pick

I am only pointing out that we should trade the pick if we can and I'm not worried about what we get in return if Scot and his guys are in charge here ... I'll say it again - IF Scot and his guys are in charge of making the picks with Jay's input of course, it makes little difference to me if we have a first round pick or not - these guys will get a huge boatload of picks if they trade down a few times and they will do much better with them than the guys that used to decide which players to bring in

I'll say it again - I have a lot of faith in Scot and his FO/scouting group and I'm sure they will find some impact players in this draft - they could even do better and find a lot more impact players in this draft and the 2016 draft if they have more picks

see ... that was relatively straight-forward

the question remains though ... do you get better value for that 5 spot if you wait until we're on the clock

it's the old bull and the young bull 'story' - the young bull says "let's go through the fence and nail a couple of those cows ..." or "let's get a really great impact player at the 5 spot ..." and the old bull says "why don't we go through the gate and take our time nailing the whole herd ..." or "why not trade out of that spot and find a way to add a whole bunch of players in these next 2 drafts ..."

Fair enough but you can take that idea way too far. What if busting through the fence means tagging



while strolling through the gate means missing out on that and ending up with

[Prowl33]

Guys - I have no worries about Scot getting a really great player at 5 ... and I have no problem with him trading the pick

I am only pointing out that we should trade the pick if we can and I'm not worried about what we get in return if Scot and his guys are in charge here ... I'll say it again - IF Scot and his guys are in charge of making the picks with Jay's input of course, it makes little difference to me if we have a first round pick or not - these guys will get a huge boatload of picks if they trade down a few times and they will do much better with them than the guys that used to decide which players to bring in

I'll say it again - I have a lot of faith in Scot and his FO/scouting group and I'm sure they will find some impact players in this draft - they could even do better and find a lot more impact players in this draft and the 2016 draft if they have more picks

see ... that was relatively straight-forward

the question remains though ... do you get better value for that 5 spot if you wait until we're on the clock

Yeah all depends on who is willing to trade what. Trading down multiple times could stack us with a few extra picjs this year and some top round picks next year. Ultimately whatever scot wants to do is fine by me. get a strong instant impact player in round 1. Or start trading away to get us a lot of solid starters and depth at all positions.

I hope we can target cleveland though. with 2 first round picks we could use one and trade the other for a 2nd this year and a 1st next

[Hooligan]

So what is Scot like on draft day? Does he have a history of trading down and hoarding picks or does he take a more balanced approach?

[SkinsJock]

It's not what he's done that counts ... I think he'll do well

let's face it - how hard can it be to be better than what we've had ....

New England has a history of having 10 - 12 PLUS picks in drafts the past 15 years

we need to get as many picks as we can in the next 3 drafts

but

if 5 of those picks are in the top 10 for the next 3 drafts we'd be doing really well

[riggofan]

the question remains though ... do you get better value for that 5 spot if you wait until we're on the clock

I don't really understand the question SJ. Who is going to propose a trade for the #5 pick before we're on the clock? Why would anyone do that?

Teams are going to wait for the first four picks and see who is drafted. If a guy somebody wants is still there at the #5 pick, they might offer a trade. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question?

Darth, btw I disagree with your comment: "if Williams is there at #5, there is almost no chance we trade the pick." I think for a team with as many needs as we have, there is more value in trading for additional picks. If I told you you could add JJ Watt to the team tomorrow or you could add both Zack Martin and Ha Ha Clinton Dix - which would you choose?

Not saying there is a right or wrong answer. Watt is obviously a great player. Just my opinion that the opportunity to get two rock solid starters might be more valuable than adding only one.

[SkinsJock]

OK riggofan - I was pointing to the possibility that some franchises may want to trade up for Mariota or Williams ... I don't think we'll get as much for that pick as if we wait and see if Williams or Mariotta are there - if not, and nobody wants to trade, we take Scherff

I find it hard to believe that Mariota and Williams will be available at the 5 pick, but crazy things happen when you have so many clueless guys making decisions - look at what we've done the past 15 years

bottom line is that IMO Scot & Jay will handle all this well - I agree with you that if they can get 2 impact players for 1, they will do it

I just have a lot more confidence in this FO with Scot in charge of things (that may very well be wishful thinking )