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Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:55 pm
by DarthMonk
SKINS#1 wrote:If Gruden doesn't pick the DC, he is Done. IMO, this is the HC decision and if he doesn't have the b___s to stand up and insist on making this decision. it is over.
True that.
And remember, RiC predicted nothing and does not take credit. Rather, he merely "announced this doomed scapegoat scenario" in advance and suggests we read his old posts to that effect.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:59 pm
by SkinsJock
who cares what the idiot Bruce Allen says ... he can 'say' that Gruden is picking the DC but that is just complete BS
When the new DC is brought in here, it will be the guy that Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen want
some of you guys are just dense
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:45 pm
by yupchagee
mtruslow wrote:I'd say Rex Ryan but I think he'll end up coaching somewhere as a HC next year. I predict Atlanta.
True, but I have to question the wisdom of hiring him as HC given his track record. He should be looking for DC positions.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:03 pm
by Kilmer72
yupchagee wrote:mtruslow wrote:I'd say Rex Ryan but I think he'll end up coaching somewhere as a HC next year. I predict Atlanta.
True, but I have to question the wisdom of hiring him as HC given his track record. He should be looking for DC positions.
I agree.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:21 am
by Irn-Bru
Kilmer72 wrote:yupchagee wrote:mtruslow wrote:I'd say Rex Ryan but I think he'll end up coaching somewhere as a HC next year. I predict Atlanta.
True, but I have to question the wisdom of hiring him as HC given his track record. He should be looking for DC positions.
I agree.
Me too, but I suspect that at least one more team is going to give him a shot. Then the next time he loses a locker room and is fired, he'll have to go back to coaching just defense.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:07 pm
by SKINS#1
In spite of what some may think, I believe Jay will insist on picking the next DC and I would bet he has some discussions about the pick with Jon.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:39 pm
by SkinsJock
SKINS#1 wrote:In spite of what some may think, I believe Jay will insist on picking the next DC and I would bet he has some discussions about the pick with Jon.
that is an incredible thought ... you obviously have no clue about what is going on here
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:57 pm
by SKINS#1
SkinsJock wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:In spite of what some may think, I believe Jay will insist on picking the next DC and I would bet he has some discussions about the pick with Jon.
that is an incredible thought ... you obviously have no clue about what is going on here
Sorry SJ, you have an opinion based on the history of Allen and Snyder performance where I believe Jay will stand up and insist on making this decision. Is this a sure thing? don't know but you don't no either. If you have proof otherwise, now is the time to share this info with others.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:23 pm
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:In spite of what some may think, I believe Jay will insist on picking the next DC and I would bet he has some discussions about the pick with Jon.
that is an incredible thought ... you obviously have no clue about what is going on here
Unlike SJ who has private conversations with folks at Redskins park on a daily basis.
I don't know if Gruden gets to pick the next DC himself, but I would think/hope he's involved in the process. I don't know if anybody else saw Keim's list of candidates the Skins have requested to speak with, but it didn't strike me as the typical Snyder celebrity list. Here's the link if you're interested:
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... ordinators
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:05 pm
by SkinsJock
SKINS#1 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:In spite of what some may think, I believe Jay will insist on picking the next DC and I would bet he has some discussions about the pick with Jon.
that is an incredible thought ... you obviously have no clue about what is going on here
Sorry SJ, you have an opinion based on the history of Allen and Snyder performance where I believe Jay will stand up and insist on making this decision. Is this a sure thing? don't know but you don't no either. If you have proof otherwise, now is the time to share this info with others.
you're right - I am basing my opinion on what has happened here - this mess has happened because of Dan Snyder
until Dan gives up being a part of the player and coaching decisions, nothing changes here, it has not happened, why should that change
I'd like to see Jay Gruden be a bigger part of the personnel decisions but that is not happening while these idiots are in control
and
Jay Gruden will not be a part of the decision on who is basically his boss - not with Dumb & Dumber II running things
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:14 pm
by OldSchool
Obviously the Skin's defense is inept so a leadership change was predictable but I wonder who would want to join Snyder's clown show.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:44 pm
by SkinsJock
OldSchool wrote:Obviously the Skin's defense is inept so a leadership change was predictable but I wonder who would want to join Snyder's clown show.
there is no end to the list of guys that will come here if they could ...
Jay Gruden did
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:53 am
by SCSkinsFan
Christmas wish granted. I think, if you look close, Haz's dismissal was predicted long ago by many last year, or even the year before that. The 3-4 has not worked here since he brought it in for many reasons.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:22 am
by Neo
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:In spite of what some may think, I believe Jay will insist on picking the next DC and I would bet he has some discussions about the pick with Jon.
that is an incredible thought ... you obviously have no clue about what is going on here
Unlike SJ who has private conversations with folks at Redskins park on a daily basis.
I don't know if Gruden gets to pick the next DC himself, but I would think/hope he's involved in the process. I don't know if anybody else saw Keim's list of candidates the Skins have requested to speak with, but it didn't strike me as the typical Snyder celebrity list. Here's the link if you're interested:
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... ordinators
It did have that guy from Tampa too; that's a typical Bruce move and I'm a bit concerned about it.
I just hope they don't do all these smoke screen interviews just to hire another ex-Tampa guy. You know?
I'm glad Haz is gone, but I also don't want to get too excited as I'm hoping we pick up someone with talent; not someone from the good ol boys network.
Thanks for that link btw!
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:54 am
by DEHog
SkinsJock wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:In spite of what some may think, I believe Jay will insist on picking the next DC and I would bet he has some discussions about the pick with Jon.
that is an incredible thought ... you obviously have no clue about what is going on here
He did try to pick his DC...On Monday he said he would like to keep Haslett as his DC...how'd that work out??
Before anyone says "what did you expect him to say" he could have been noncommittal like he was on just about everyone and every thing else.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:13 am
by riggofan
SCSkinsFan wrote:Christmas wish granted. I think, if you look close, Haz's dismissal was predicted long ago by many last year, or even the year before that. The 3-4 has not worked here since he brought it in for many reasons.
I'm not sure that we're moving on from the 3-4 though. I would suspect that is not the case. If you've checked out the list of guys they've requested to interview its a lot of coaches who run the 3-4.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:20 am
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:He did try to pick his DC...On Monday he said he would like to keep Haslett as his DC...how'd that work out??
Before anyone says "what did you expect him to say" he could have been noncommittal like he was on just about everyone and every thing else.
I don't know, man. That statement just seemed like the PC thing to say while not throwing your friend completely under the bus. I didn't buy for a second that Gruden was going to be lobbying hard to keep Haslett around. You're probably right that he should have just been noncommittal about it, but its not like this is the first time he's said more than he should have. I think he let Haslett go out under the best possible circumstances.
Gruden was openly frustrated about the defense in numerous games this year. I seriously doubt this is some battle where he was overruled by the front office or whatever. As many people have said, this is about results and after five years of Haz defense - fairly or not - everybody knew it was time to make a change.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:55 am
by DEHog
riggofan wrote:DEHog wrote:He did try to pick his DC...On Monday he said he would like to keep Haslett as his DC...how'd that work out??
Before anyone says "what did you expect him to say" he could have been noncommittal like he was on just about everyone and every thing else.
I don't know, man. That statement just seemed like the PC thing to say while not throwing your friend completely under the bus. I didn't buy for a second that Gruden was going to be lobbying hard to keep Haslett around. You're probably right that he should have just been noncommittal about it, but its not like this is the first time he's said more than he should have. I think he let Haslett go out under the best possible circumstances.
Gruden was openly frustrated about the defense in numerous games this year. I seriously doubt this is some battle where he was overruled by the front office or whatever. As many people have said, this is about results and after five years of Haz defense - fairly or not - everybody knew it was time to make a change.
It just goes to the heart of how inept this organization is right now. Like I said why even say it if there’s no truth to it? Then on Wed. you could have let Gruden come to the podium first to announce the firing and search for a new DC.Then Allen’s words ring truer, that Jay is in charge of his staff. Instead they do it the way they did and get this response from Mark Schlereth ...
“Dysfunction: Jay Gruden states he would like to keep DC...today the Skins let DC go... Way to emasculate your HC Skins...0 Authority”
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:04 am
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:It just goes to the heart of how inept this organization is right now. Like I said why even say it if there’s no truth to it? Then on Wed. you could have let Gruden come to the podium first to announce the firing and search for a new DC.Then Allen’s words ring truer, that Jay is in charge of his staff. Instead they do it the way they did and get this response from Mark Schlereth ...
“Dysfunction: Jay Gruden states he would like to keep DC...today the Skins let DC go... Way to emasculate your HC Skins...0 Authority”
You're 100% right about that. Its amazing that in this political town - with a guy like Bruce Allen in house no less - that the team is so bad at messaging. They are constantly shooting themselves in the foot. We saw it repeatedly last year with the name fiasco. I still think if Snyder and Allen would have just STFU about it there would have been far less discussion of that non-issue.
My point though was that I don't really believe they had to pry Haslett off Gruden's staff or anything. Haz knew the writing was on the wall, and weirdly I think the "mutual agreement" thing is probably true.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:32 am
by SCSkinsFan
riggofan wrote:SCSkinsFan wrote:Christmas wish granted. I think, if you look close, Haz's dismissal was predicted long ago by many last year, or even the year before that. The 3-4 has not worked here since he brought it in for many reasons.
I'm not sure that we're moving on from the 3-4 though. I would suspect that is not the case. If you've checked out the list of guys they've requested to interview its a lot of coaches who run the 3-4.
Didn't mean to infer that we were changing back to a 4-3. Point being was that Haz could never make it work with the players he had on the field due to the talent level, and also from a scheme perspective. However, our stats and overall D was much better when we played the 4-3.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:38 am
by riggofan
SCSkinsFan wrote:Didn't mean to infer that we were changing back to a 4-3. Point being was that Haz could never make it work with the players he had on the field due to the talent level, and also from a scheme perspective. However, our stats and overall D was much better when we played the 4-3.
Gotcha. Totally agree that we were better when we played the 4-3 for whatever reason.
Re: Haslett & Redskins "Mutually Agree" to Part Ways
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:44 am
by SKINS#1
IMO, Gruden has to insist on making the DC pick. This is a career defining moment for him, if he is weak and lets the front office make the selection, his career could suffer major damage. Given the importance of this decision, I also think he will seek advice from his brother, Jon.