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StorminMormon86 wrote:ENOUGH with this notion that Cousins "had his chance" to solidify his spot as the starter. Compare the amount of games he's started to Griffin...Cousins is done, but Griffin still needs more time? Give me a break. Cousins didn't "demand" anything. He wants a shot, that's it. Remember earlier this year when Gruden came in and anointed Griffin the starter before ever even meeting the players? He doesn't want that happening again.

+1.

Its not unfair to ask how much better Cousins might have been if he had been prepared as the starter.

riggofan wrote:

emoses14 wrote:Enough with this entire thread. Kirk has already said this "report" was bunk. Why in the world are we still debating anything relating to that (once again) erroneous report from the folks covering the redskins? At this point if it doesn't come from john keim or rich tandler, it's most likely not true enough to have a 4 page thread about.

Just sayin'

It wasn't "bunk" but it was definitely exaggerated. He wasn't "demanding" anything. That lady from NBC sure does a lot of this crap reporting though.

I think we're debating semantics, but to me a thread thats entitled "cousins demands trade if Robert named starter " and then I see this from Tandler:

1. Yesterday was another lesson in how “news” can get bent out of shape. What started out as a small group of reporters chatting with Kirk Cousins about where how he thought 2015 would go morphed into Internet headlines that he “demanded” a trade. I was there, he never did any such thing. He did say that it would be a difficult situation for him to deal with if he didn’t have a chance to compete with Robert Griffin III. But the word “trade” or anything like it never came out of his mouth. Be careful about basing anything on tweets and headlines.
2. The Redskins PR staff got Cousins on a conference call with reporters and he said that he was happy in Washington, that he hadn’t demanded anything, and that he’ll deal with whatever comes his way. Stories with what Cousins said were posted. Still, several hours later, a Google search for Cousins showed dozens of links to the inaccurate stories and scant mention of posts on what actually happened. Winston Churchill had the perfect quote for the situation: “A lie get halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”

Means that the "exaggeration" is to such a degree that it's "bunk"

emoses14 wrote:I think we're debating semantics, but to me a thread thats entitled "cousins demands trade if Robert named starter " and then I see this from Tandler:

The thread is titled "cousins WANTS a trade if RGIII is starter". So we may be debating semantics, but you're not debating it correctly.

I saw that post from Tandler though too and you're totally right. The NBC lady made a lot more of that "story" than there was.

riggofan wrote:

emoses14 wrote:I think we're debating semantics, but to me a thread thats entitled "cousins demands trade if Robert named starter " and then I see this from Tandler:

The thread is titled "cousins WANTS a trade if RGIII is starter". So we may be debating semantics, but you're not debating it correctly.

I saw that post from Tandler though too and you're totally right. The NBC lady made a lot more of that "story" than there was.

I honestly don't know why Cousins wouldn't want a trade if RGIII was named starter for next year without an open and objective QB competition in the offseason/preseason. RGIII has, in no way, earned the title of starter. Cousins has made a number of mistakes --- but his "best" far exceeded RGIII's "best" this year.

Basically I think Cousins believes RGIII has been given FAR greater an opportunity to prove himself. He is most likely fed up with the favoritism being shown to RGIII. Honestly, I would be too --- especially considering the fact Cousins has outperformed him almost every single statistical category.

Cousins is dismissing the rumor, but I won't upset if it were true. If I were in his shoes, I'd be a little agitated with how things have gone down.

Who can blame Cousins (and his agent) ?????

Who wants to become a J Jansen, a C Samuels or a T Williams?

Three players who would have easily won a SB with another half decent team and instead wasted their best years playing for a maniac owner and a dysfunctional front office!

Not that Kirk Cousins is anywhere remotely near the caliber of those three players above but the fact that even a mediocre backup wants to be paid as a starter or be left out should not be a surprise to anybody.

emoses14 wrote:Enough with this entire thread. Kirk has already said this "report" was bunk. Why in the world are we still debating anything relating to that (once again) erroneous report from the folks covering the redskins? At this point if it doesn't come from john keim or rich tandler, it's most likely not true enough to have a 4 page thread about. Just sayin'

thanks mate - this thread title pissed me off too, at first ...

we have 3 QBs here - I do not understand why any of them would want to leave when ostensibly they are going to be competing for a job against 2 other QBs that have not shown they will be too hard to beat out of the starting QB job here

that just does not make sense ...

but .... then again ...

REMEMBER - we do have Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen in charge here - they could have easily fired Gruden but they decided to give him another year and why would any QB in their right mind want to play behind this O line - it's not like it's going to get a whole lot better in one season, IF EVER, with Dan & Bruce making the personnel decisions

so when you look at the QB situation you have 3 QBs and any one of them could easily get the starting job except that Dan & Bruce will make Gruden 'stage' a QB competition and then they will make him put their favorite QB in as the starter and all this while not really adding any player or coach who is likely to make much of a difference here

I understand the 3 QBs wanting an opportunity to be a starting QB - that's what it's all about, after all
but who would want to start at QB behind any of the O lines we've had here the past 4 years - gag me

this O line is not suddenly going to become even halfway decent by September, 2015 - NO WAY, not with Dumb & Dumber II in charge

emoses and Jokko:

This is STILL an issue BECAUSE the owner has ALREADY expressed its support to RGIII to start next season.

People inside know that. Gruden KNOWS and he has his marching orders.

Once again, the owner does not go away. Bruce and Gruden meet on Wednesday, Bruce and Gruden meet Snyder next Sunday

All Cousins is doing is asking for a legit shot. It will not work but then he has made it clear that he will start elsewhere after next season.

you're right RiC - I am just so disappointed that Gruden is not standing up against these 2 bozos and taking charge here

this is why we don't have a prayer of making things better here ...



Dan Snyder & Bruce Allen don't have a clue ...

IMHO Cousins is head and shoulders above McCoy and RG. All I’ve heard is how no one can play behind this line. While the line certainly needs upgrading go back and look at the sacks while Cousins was playing. The sacks started when McCoy and RG started playing. The knock on Cousins is interceptions, but you can coach that. What young QB doesn’t throw int’s. Foot work, pocket presence, read progressions and protecting yourself are difficult to coach and RG can’t do any of them. Have you ever notice how he rarely steps up in the pocket, doesn’t slide or side step…he just takes off relying on his athletic ability which worked in college but in the pros its get him hit…and he takes some of the worst hits of any QB in the league. If he wants to play like that he should move to WR. I hope Cousins comes back and is given a “fair” shot at competing for the starting job, he’s looked the best in this system, let him play through the int’s!!

DEHog wrote:IMHO Cousins is head and shoulders above McCoy and RG. All I’ve heard is how no one can play behind this line. While the line certainly needs upgrading go back and look at the sacks while Cousins was playing. The sacks started when McCoy and RG started playing. The knock on Cousins is interceptions, but you can coach that. What young QB doesn’t throw int’s. Foot work, pocket presence, read progressions and protecting yourself are difficult to coach and RG can’t do any of them. Have you ever notice how he rarely steps up in the pocket, doesn’t slide or side step…he just takes off relying on his athletic ability which worked in college but in the pros its get him hit…and he takes some of the worst hits of any QB in the league. If he wants to play like that he should move to WR. I hope Cousins comes back and is given a “fair” shot at competing for the starting job, he’s looked the best in this system, let him play through the int’s!!

You still might get your wish.

Gruden feels RGIII is unlikely to become a winner next season and he also knows that he NEEDS to have a winning season to stay as HC. That is the next drama to unfold in organization next year,

Pick the title of your favourite soap opera:;

1) All my Redskins;

2) General Hospital (with injuries and all);

3) As Redskin Park turns;

4) The young and the hopeless; and

5) Days of of our sorry lives.

I dont blame Cousins, RG3 or Colt. This offensive line was terrible. So I put most of the blame on our offensive line not the QBs. Our running game was less then stellar this year and our pass protection was putrid. All points to the Oline.

Once we shore up the Oline RG3, Cousins, Colt and Alf will all be playing better. Just dont know who is going to start next year. Most likely RG3.

One thing though. RG3 has to humble himself and regain his focus on what made him successful. Forget the fame and just go back to the grind.

SkinsJock wrote:=D> you're right RiC - I am just so disappointed that Gruden is not standing up against these 2 bozos and taking charge here

this is why we don't have a prayer of making things better here ...



Dan Snyder & Bruce Allen don't have a clue ...

First of all, they're his bosses. Let's see you go to work and stand up to the CEO and President of your company.

Secondly, Gruden has done about as much as a coach can do to make clear how he feels about a player without explicitly coming out and saying "Robert sucks." Gruden blasted Griffin in multiple press conferences and then bench him in favor of Colt McCoy. He's done what he needed to do to make clear that he doesn't believe in Griffin, so if he is starting next year people will know that the decision came from Snyder and not Gruden.

DEHog wrote:IMHO Cousins is head and shoulders above McCoy and RG. All I’ve heard is how no one can play behind this line. While the line certainly needs upgrading go back and look at the sacks while Cousins was playing. The sacks started when McCoy and RG started playing. The knock on Cousins is interceptions, but you can coach that.

You're dead right about Cousins and the sacks. I've argued all season that our offensive line wasn't good, but its been "good enough" for a QB who can get the ball out of his hands quickly. I know Chris C00ley was making the same case this week.

So my only question about Cousins and the sacks though is: is his throwing more INTs linked with his getting sacked less? Like its great he's throwing the ball quickly and not giving up sacks, but he's making terrible decisions at the same time?

riggofan wrote:So my only question about Cousins and the sacks though is: is his throwing more INTs linked with his getting sacked less? Like its great he's throwing the ball quickly and not giving up sacks, but he's making terrible decisions at the same time?

I think him getting the ball out quickly was because he was concerned about the sacks, which resulted in INTs. And after our wonderful defense gave up TD after TD, Cousins started pressing, which resulted in more INTs. JMO

CanesSkins26 wrote:He's done what he needed to do to make clear that he doesn't believe in Griffin, so if he is starting next year people will know that the decision came from Snyder and not Gruden.

ALREADY decided by Snyder to keep him and only an injury may prevent him from starting. RGIII will start if healthy. What part do people need to know about Snyder?

riggofan wrote:

DEHog wrote:IMHO Cousins is head and shoulders above McCoy and RG. All I’ve heard is how no one can play behind this line. While the line certainly needs upgrading go back and look at the sacks while Cousins was playing. The sacks started when McCoy and RG started playing. The knock on Cousins is interceptions, but you can coach that.

You're dead right about Cousins and the sacks. I've argued all season that our offensive line wasn't good, but its been "good enough" for a QB who can get the ball out of his hands quickly. I know Chris C00ley was making the same case this week.

So my only question about Cousins and the sacks though is: is his throwing more INTs linked with his getting sacked less? Like its great he's throwing the ball quickly and not giving up sacks, but he's making terrible decisions at the same time?

No I don't think so...because you wouldn't have seen the numbers he put up. I think what we were seeing was a young NFL QB pressing a bit... but wasn't given the luxury of watching the film and playing thought it.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

riggofan wrote:So my only question about Cousins and the sacks though is: is his throwing more INTs linked with his getting sacked less? Like its great he's throwing the ball quickly and not giving up sacks, but he's making terrible decisions at the same time?

I think him getting the ball out quickly was because he was concerned about the sacks, which resulted in INTs. And after our wonderful defense gave up TD after TD, Cousins started pressing, which resulted in more INTs. JMO

I also tend to believe this. IMHO, Cousins is the type of QB who is less concerned with how his stat line looks at the end of the game and more concerned with winning. If we are down, he will make throws to try and put points up and get it close again. These throws are risky and may lead to INTs, but he understood these types of risks were the only way to put the skins in a position to win. He played to win, not to look good or to have a good stat line ---- and that ended up killing him in the eyes of Gruden.

Cousins does have SERIOUS issues with recovering from mistakes. He really gets down on himself and this snowballed in certain games. However, Cousins had the best PRODUCTION of any QB this year ---- and it wasn't close (but that isn't saying much.....).

But all in all, I think it is abundantly clear that Cousins is the best of the 3 --- althought, again, that isn't saying much. RGIII was literally one of the worst QBs in the entire NFL last year. Only Bortles had a QBR worse than RGIII (for all QBs having over 150 attempts). McCoy -- although I have heard he is an incredibly nice person -- doesn't have significant upside. If I were Cousins and RGIII was named the starter next year, my head would explode.

Cousins has a quick release and is a gun-slinger qb type. He reads defenses fairly well and is a quick decision maker. I personally don't see him making any probowls, but I'd love to see him play with a better OL just to see if that would actually improve his stats.

FACTS -

we all now know that Cousins is not looking to be traded

Cousins, Griffin and McCoy are all going to be given a chance to be the starting QB for the Redskins

Cousins, Griffin and McCoy know that their best shot at being a starting QB is to be in a QB mix that includes the other 2 QBs here

so let's all get off the 'trade scenario' - it's complete BS


IMO, Cousins is Gruden's pick to be the starting QB - Gruden has obviously given up on Griffin
the only way that Snyder & Allen's QB (Griffin) wins the job is to have an incredible turnaround in the next 5 months

IMO, the Redskins should cut Griffin in May if he has not shown an ability to become the QB Gruden wants

that will only happen if we get a real GM in here to overrule Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen = not very likely